Ground & Pound

[LocimusPrime]

I want a ground and pound coupled with an air assault the likes of which the league has never seen. I want 2 1350 yd wideouts and the third w 800 yds. I also need a defense that registers 75 sacks in the regular season setting a league record. The D also has 18 ints from 4 guys ( 3 cbs and 1 Fs) and a offense that goes 3 and out only 6 times during the entire season. That's a winner. Trust me.

 

[Bleu Star]

I want a ground and pound coupled with an air assault the likes of which the league has never seen. I want 2 1350 yd wideouts and the third w 800 yds. I also need a defense that registers 75 sacks in the regular season setting a league record. The D also has 18 ints from 4 guys ( 3 cbs and 1 Fs) and a offense that goes 3 and out only 6 times during the entire season. That's a winner. Trust me.

You want quite a lot but I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how well our guys fill those categories this year. Play action will once again be deadly like it was 2 years ago and Romo will connect with Dez often thanks to the introduction of Zeke the freak.

 

[TrailBlazer]

None of it matters without a healthy Tony. Ground and pound all you want. You have to be able to throw the football and convert 3rd downs.

 

[Bleu Star]

None of it matters without a healthy Tony. Ground and pound all you want. You have to be able to throw the football and convert 3rd downs.

You also need an unpredictable running game that isn't afraid to shove it down your throat and completely demoralize your defense by the time the clock strikes the beginning of the 4th quarter. Again, some of us continue to try and discount the concept by continually harping on Romo. Romo is a given but a pass happy strategy is not taking us very far without that balance. We all know this. Let's not act brand new.

I'll say it once more, a balanced offense that contains the element of surprise along with the element of "we are going to line up and beat you down on the ground" will always go far. Balance. Balance. Balance. A bell cow that hits home runs will provide more balanced than we had even 2 years ago with Demarco. I'm so excited to see the strategy return!

 

[Sasquatch]

I always thought the necessarily corollary to that offensive strategy was a dominate, physical defense which combines with the running game to physically and mentally wear down opponents.

 

[Bleu Star]

I always thought the necessarily corollary to that offensive strategy was a dominate, physical defense which combines with the running game to physically and mentally wear down opponents.

We don't necessarily have that dominant defense but we will be fine while we continue to construct it. We have compensated by building a dominant offensive line and drafting a monster to run behind it. Our running game has never had this much potential (even with Demarco here).

 

[Sydla]

Fresh legs. They won't be on the field as often. I fully expect the defense to benefit from the lower number of plays.

How long until this myth dies?

 

[Sydla]

Ground and pound is more of a determining factor in wins and loses.

Except stats say otherwise. Teams that out rush their opponents in a game tend to win around 50% of the time. Teams that out pass their opponents tend to win over 70% of the time.

Ground and pound can make your passing game better, especially if play action is really working, but in the end, it's the success through the air that tends to win games in today's NFL.

 

[waldoputty]

Except stats say otherwise. Teams that out rush their opponents in a game tend to win around 50% of the time. Teams that out pass their opponents tend to win over 70% of the time.

Ground and pound can make your passing game better, especially if play action is really working, but in the end, it's the success through the air that tends to win games in today's NFL.

Your 2 stats are not independent of each other.
As you said, ground and pound makes your passing game better.
So a big % of the 70% have a good ground game.

 

[LocimusPrime]

You want quite a lot but I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how well our guys fill those categories this year. Play action will once again be deadly like it was 2 years ago and Romo will connect with Dez often thanks to the introduction of Zeke the freak.

Ive been told that i am demanding. Lol but i look forward to being pleasantly suprised.

 

[Sydla]

Your 2 stats are not independent of each other.
As you said, ground and pound makes your passing game better.
So a big % of the 70% have a good ground game.

Except it's not really true. Look at New England. They aren't a great rushing team but they can out pass anyone.

The point here is that in the end, the season comes down to Romo's arm. Elliott could run for 2,000 yards and if Romo has a subpar, injury plagued year, this team ain't winning jack.

 

[waldoputty]

Except it's not really true. Look at New England. They aren't a great rushing team but they can out pass anyone.

The point here is that in the end, the season comes down to Romo's arm. Elliott could run for 2,000 yards and if Romo has a subpar, injury plagued year, this team ain't winning jack.

Brady is an exception to the rule.

If Romo is injured, we are done and talking about 2017 draft.
2000 yards/16 games is only 124 yards per game.
LOL, we dont really need passing if Elliott gets 6000 yards a year.
A lot of these winning stats are skewed because passing yards generally exceed rushing yards by a lot - close to double?
So obviously the more yards you gain, the more likely you win.

It is really hard to have passing without rushing or rushing without passing.
If you substantially strength one or the other aspect, it makes the other aspect more effective.
With the OL/Elliott, I expect that to make Romo a lot more effective.
With a dominant running game, it also protects Romo.

 

[Bleu Star]

How long until this myth dies?

Unfortunately for you, it will never error die because it is much more than myth.

 

[Bleu Star]

Your 2 stats are not independent of each other.
As you said, ground and pound makes your passing game better.
So a big % of the 70% have a good ground game.

Agendas always conveniently exclude details.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We don't necessarily have that dominant defense but we will be fine while we continue to construct it. We have compensated by building a dominant offensive line and drafting a monster to run behind it. Our running game has never had this much potential (even with Demarco here).

"we will be fine" = "We wont be fine" = "Playoffs hopefully"

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think this team has a chance to be a lot better due to the improved running game.

But everything, as it always does with Dallas (And really any team with a real franchise QB) depends on Romo staying healthy and in the line up.

If Romo gets injured and you have Moore or Prescott back there then it really won't matter what Zeke is doing. This team will not win.


But I believe the addition of Zeke is going to help keep Romo healthy and help keep him in the line up and that will make this offense very dangerous.

 

[Bleu Star]

I think this team has a chance to be a lot better due to the improved running game.

But everything, as it always does with Dallas (And really any team with a real franchise QB) depends on Romo staying healthy and in the line up.

If Romo gets injured and you have Moore or Prescott back there then it really won't matter what Zeke is doing. This team will not win.


But I believe the addition of Zeke is going to help keep Romo healthy and help keep him in the line up and that will make this offense very dangerous.

You have summarize my primary point here perfectly. Thank you.

 

[DallasEast]

Brady is an exception to the rule.

If Romo is injured, we are done and talking about 2017 draft.
2000 yards/16 games is only 124 yards per game.
LOL, we dont really need passing if Elliott gets 6000 yards a year.
A lot of these winning stats are skewed because passing yards generally exceed rushing yards by a lot - close to double?
So obviously the more yards you gain, the more likely you win.

It is really hard to have passing without rushing or rushing without passing.
If you substantially strength one or the other aspect, it makes the other aspect more effective.
With the OL/Elliott, I expect that to make Romo a lot more effective.
With a dominant running game, it also protects Romo.

Holey 4,000-yard exaggeration, Batman! Methinks not necessary for emphasizing a point. Elliott has the potential for greatness. In the real NFL world, 2,000 yards on the ground in a single season is the dream of running backs, coaches and fans alike. However, what did even 2,000 rushers (not an exaggeration) accomplish for their teams at the end of the year with regard to their team's passing rank in the league?

• O.J. Simpson (HOF), 2003 yards, Buffalo Bills ranked 26th in passing offense (missed 1973 season AFC playoffs)
• Eric Dickerson (HOF), 2,105 yards, Los Angeles Rams ranked 27th in passing offense (lost in 1984 season NFC wild card round)
• Barry Sanders (HOF), 2,053 yards, Detroit Lions ranked 12th in passing offense (lost in 1997 season NFC wild card round)
• Terrell Davis, 2,008 yards, Denver Broncos ranked 7th in passing offense (1998 season Super Bowl champions)
• Jamal Lewis, 2,066 yards, Baltimore Ravens ranked 32nd in passing offense (lost in 2003 season AFC wild card round)
• Chris Johnson, 2,006 yards, Tennessee Titans ranked 23rd in passing offense (missed 2009 season AFC playoffs)
• Adrian Peterson, 2,097 yards, Minnesota Vikings ranked 31st in passing offense (lost in 2012 season NFC wild card round)

Elliott seems good as advertised. We have the offensive line that will enhance his ability. Ground and pound? Yeah, we have the personel in place to do just that but I hope everyone keeps things in their proper perspective. If history is any indication, Elliott can have a realistically outstanding, Hall of Fame type season this year or any year of his career but the team's ultimate yearly success will falls upon the passing game's shoulders. So as long as we're rooting like fanatics for Elliott, I would hope we're doing the same (or more) for Romo, Bryant and Witten (and possibly body catching Williams too ).

Side note: No ground and pound thread should be absent any mention of the head coach John Robinson and his USC/LA Rams teams. Ground and pound indeed!

 

[waldoputty]

Holey 4,000-yard exaggeration, Batman! Methinks not necessary for emphasizing a point. Elliott has the potential for greatness. In the real NFL world, 2,000 yards on the ground in a single season is the dream of running backs, coaches and fans alike. However, what did even 2,000 rushers (not an exaggeration) accomplish for their teams at the end of the year with regard to their team's passing rank in the league?

• O.J. Simpson (HOF), 2003 yards, Buffalo Bills ranked 26th in passing offense (missed 1973 season AFC playoffs)
• Eric Dickerson (HOF), 2,105 yards, Los Angeles Rams ranked 27th in passing offense (lost in 1984 season NFC wild card round)
• Barry Sanders (HOF), 2,053 yards, Detroit Lions ranked 12th in passing offense (lost in 1997 season NFC wild card round)
• Terrell Davis, 2,008 yards, Denver Broncos ranked 7th in passing offense (1998 season Super Bowl champions)
• Jamal Lewis, 2,066 yards, Baltimore Ravens ranked 32nd in passing offense (lost in 2003 season AFC wild card round)
• Chris Johnson, 2,006 yards, Tennessee Titans ranked 23rd in passing offense (missed 2009 season AFC playoffs)
• Adrian Peterson, 2,097 yards, Minnesota Vikings ranked 31st in passing offense (lost in 2012 season NFC wild card round)

Elliott seems good as advertised. We have the offensive line that will enhance his ability. Ground and pound? Yeah, we have the personel in place to do just that but I hope everyone keeps things in their proper perspective. If history is any indication, Elliott can have a realistically outstanding, Hall of Fame type season this year or any year of his career but the team's ultimate yearly success will falls upon the passing game's shoulders. So as long as we're rooting like fanatics for Elliott, I would hope we're doing the same (or more) for Romo, Bryant and Witten (and possibly body catching Williams too ).

Side note: No ground and pound thread should be absent any mention of the head coach John Robinson and his USC/LA Rams teams. Ground and pound indeed!

I was being silly, because it is silly to use these stats to argue an obvious point.
Elliott did have some >200 yard rushing games.
One was against Oregon in the BCS.

However, with our OL and Elliott with Morris, it may be possible to beat a D into submission.
I recall we absolutely demoralized the vaunted Seattle D at Seattle in 2014 even without Elliott.
I do think Elliott is significantly better than Murray, but we dont want to burn him out like we did to Murray.

I think it may be possible to get 300 yards or more rushing in a few games IF WE WANTED TO.
That could happen if the other side has to worry about Romo passing (nickel) and has a fairly small DL.
After pounding over and over again, a D can give in and/or be on stretchers.

 

[Sydla]

Unfortunately for you, it will never error die because it is much more than myth.

It's really not. Cowboys defense was on the field something like 1.5 more players per game in 2015 compared to 2014.

So unless Elliott is so good he's going to be even better than Murray was in 2014, people should really stop perpetuating this storyline that Elliott is somehow going to drastically reduce the number of plays the defense plays in a game.