GROZ: So it's not just us fans!

[sago1]

I must admit I like a more aggressive defense and I don't mean blitzing the QB. It just seems to me we don't use Ware enough. In the Colts game we moved him around more (at least it seemed that way to me) but don't know if we did that in Giants game cause it wasn't on TV in Tampoa area. BTW: An aggressive defense doesn't have to produce sacks but hope it means we pressure the QB. If we play the Saints same way we played the Giants, we will lose. Drew Brees is at least twice the QB that Eli is with a far better H/C whose offensive minded and knows how to put his players in good situations to produce. Sit back and wait for Brees to make a mistake and he'll grill us.

 

[Doomsday]

It's been reported before and admitted by Zinmmer and Parcells that they do not run an agressive 3-4 like Pittsburgh...

However, we've had a top 10 D all year and effectively shut down one of the best offenses of this decade...

And people are still amazed and point to Zimmer as if he's some sort of deficiency to this team...

We DON'T attack on purpose...We PLAY a certain defense...

The shut down one of the best offenses of this decade by getting aggressive and turning the dogs loose, that was by far the best defensive performance Dallas has played in years. It was also the most aggressive game plan they had in quite some time, doesnt seem like a coincidence to me. I thought the defensive game plan against the Giants was terrible, not sure if it was because no one seemed to be able to cover Shockey early and they were afraid to get torched or what but they let a struggling QB sit back in a clean pocket pretty much all game.

Too many look at 1 stat and that is sacks well there are few teams with a lot more sacks than Dallas and do not have near the defensive production as the Cowboys have shown this season.

Just because we want to see more pressure doesnt mean we are consumed with sacks. Everyone knows its a lot easier to complete a pass when you have a clean pocket to step up into and all day to throw. Last week Dallas had almost no pressure on Eli and he had one of his best games of the season. If it wasnt for some really boneheaded penalties the Gints probably would of won that game.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I must admit I like a more aggressive defense and I don't mean blitzing the QB. It just seems to me we don't use Ware enough. In the Colts game we moved him around more (at least it seemed that way to me) but don't know if we did that in Giants game cause it wasn't on TV in Tampoa area. BTW: An aggressive defense doesn't have to produce sacks but hope it means we pressure the QB. If we play the Saints same way we played the Giants, we will lose. Drew Brees is at least twice the QB that Eli is with a far better H/C whose offensive minded and knows how to put his players in good situations to produce. Sit back and wait for Brees to make a mistake and he'll grill us.

So true. So true. I agree we need to be more aggressive on D, but maybe we're blaming the coaches too much here. Could it be the talent level? Even with a bad coaching scheme, good pass rushers find a way to get to the QB sometimes. Other than Ware, our guys don't instinctively know how to get to the QB. Because of that we need more aggression and imaginative schemes. So I guess the question is what came first, the chicken (timid coaching) or the egg (players who arent' good at rushing the passer).

 

[Doomsday101]

The shut down one of the best offenses of this decade by getting aggressive and turning the dogs loose, that was by far the best defensive performance Dallas has played in years. It was also the most aggressive game plan they had in quite some time, doesnt seem like a coincidence to me. I thought the defensive game plan against the Giants was terrible, not sure if it was because no one seemed to be able to cover Shockey early and they were afraid to get torched or what but they let a struggling QB sit back in a clean pocket pretty much all game.



Just because we want to see more pressure doesnt mean we are consumed with sacks. Everyone knows its a lot easier to complete a pass when you have a clean pocket to step up into and all day to throw. Last week Dallas had almost no pressure on Eli and he had one of his best games of the season. If it wasnt for some really boneheaded penalties the Gints probably would of won that game.

As I said I want to see more pressure as well but many around here constantly talk about constant blitzing, while that may not apply to you it does for many around here who seem to dwell on sacks as the be all stat that makes a defense. All is all the Dallas defense has done a pretty good job this year and I feel they will continue to improve as a unit.

 

[Doomsday101]

I must admit I like a more aggressive defense and I don't mean blitzing the QB. It just seems to me we don't use Ware enough. In the Colts game we moved him around more (at least it seemed that way to me) but don't know if we did that in Giants game cause it wasn't on TV in Tampoa area. BTW: An aggressive defense doesn't have to produce sacks but hope it means we pressure the QB. If we play the Saints same way we played the Giants, we will lose. Drew Brees is at least twice the QB that Eli is with a far better H/C whose offensive minded and knows how to put his players in good situations to produce. Sit back and wait for Brees to make a mistake and he'll grill us.

Many around here said the same thing about Manning and the Colts and how they would put 30 something to 40 points on the board and that did not happen. Dallas will adjust to what the Saints do just as they did with Indy. Dallas went into the Giants game looking to take away the strenght of the Giants offense which is not the passing game. In ways the defense did not do a great job in stopping the run we had too many missed tackles in that game.

 

[arglebargle]

The Cowboys may have run a less aggressive attack against Eli and the Giants, setting Eli to mess up on the long drives. Didn't work that way, as Eli didn't mess up nearly as much as his previous couple of games. Don't know if you want to try that on Brees though.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The lack of pressure on Eli Manning really could have cost us the game. Even if we didn't blitz, if we could do something besides rush the same players from the same position on passing downs it might create a little confusion for the opposing offensive line. A line stunt or twist isn't necessarily a bad thing. The times that they did blitz from the MLB position Manning got happy feet and threw the ball away. If the Giants wouldn't have been short a starting WR and left tackle we really would have had our hands full.

Becoming far more aggressive could have cost us also in big plays given up...

It's not like we haven't had that happen to us before during the season.

This "aggressive defense" mindset comes at a price. It doesn't occur in a "vacuum" for every action there is a reaction. The price for getting more aggressive on defensive is an increase in big plays given up. Hell I like sacks too but I understand that we're scared to death to let our safeties be exposed.

 

[ZeroClub]

Becoming far more aggressive could have cost us also in big plays given up...

It's not like we haven't had that happen to us before during the season.

This "aggressive defense" mindset comes at a price. It doesn't occur in a "vacuum" for every action there is a reaction. The price for getting more aggressive on defensive is an increase in big plays given up. Hell I like sacks too but I understand that we're scared to death to let our safeties be exposed.

I'm with you!

Pressure is good. Predictable, wreckless blitzing isn't.

One other thing.

Does anybody here really believe that Parcells has Zimmer on a long leash?

Zimmer does what Parcells wants. If you are unhappy with the defense being too conservative, put it on Parcells. You know he's the guy who is pulling the strings ....

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm with you!

Pressure is good. Predictable, wreckless blitzing isn't.

One other thing.

Does anybody here really believe that Parcells has Zimmer on a long leash?

Zimmer does what Parcells wants. If you are unhappy with the defense being too conservative, put it on Parcells. You know he's the guy who is pulling the strings ....

Yep.

The Groz folks think Parcells is a mental incompetent who just lets his assistants run amok.

If I were Parcells I'd be insulted by the insinuation.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This was in the chat with Jim Jeffcoat:



I, and several others here, have been saying this for years but it is nice to hear someone on the "inside" say the same thing.

What people see in Zimrod is beyond me.

GROZ lives!

So.... in addition to safety problem we have a DC that sucks? Not good... better yet... are those two problems one in the same?

 

[morasp]

Becoming far more aggressive could have cost us also in big plays given up...

It's not like we haven't had that happen to us before during the season.

This "aggressive defense" mindset comes at a price. It doesn't occur in a "vacuum" for every action there is a reaction. The price for getting more aggressive on defensive is an increase in big plays given up. Hell I like sacks too but I understand that we're scared to death to let our safeties be exposed.

Bull rushing four guys from the same position every time on third and long doesn't cut it. A few line stunts and twists are a long way from being over aggressive. The Giants had huge holes in their blocking scheme that a quick defender could have easily gotten through.

 

[mmohican29]

Hmmm. I think I smell some Parcells-ery. We definitely got heat on Manning early and often. Yet most of our defensive games seem to have the same look and feel to them.

Parcells may have been committed to establishing a stout, non-gambling unit which can contain offenses with sheer talent for the first half of the season. Now he might show a whole new dimension to the Defense we haven't seen yet. It is also different to gamble a home vs gamble on the road.

Look, we made it through NY. It wasn't a great effort but we got the job done. If the intensity is up now for the home stretch, I bet our D will unveil looks that offenses have yet to see from our D. Keep in mind this is just the 2nd year in the 3-4 for the Cowboys.

 

[theebs]

Hmmm. I think I smell some Parcells-ery. We definitely got heat on Manning early and often. Yet most of our defensive games seem to have the same look and feel to them.

Parcells may have been committed to establishing a stout, non-gambling unit which can contain offenses with sheer talent for the first half of the season. Now he might show a whole new dimension to the Defense we haven't seen yet. It is also different to gamble a home vs gamble on the road.

Look, we made it through NY. It wasn't a great effort but we got the job done. If the intensity is up now for the home stretch, I bet our D will unveil looks that offenses have yet to see from our D. Keep in mind this is just the 2nd year in the 3-4 for the Cowboys.

That is not Parcells M.O.

He believes in Big, strong, Athletic and intelligent players. He will put them in position to make plays and then rely on them to do that.

He is not a gambler and he is not going to change up what is working very well for the team right now.

Each gameplan for each team is different, however they are different from within the 3-4 read and react two gap system we run. Some teams may see blitzing from us because that is what the other teams personnel dictates. like for instance against washington, we blitzed both times we played them because of the confidence of the matchups. Even within that blitzing however it does not leave the realm of the defensive system.

You will not see us running schemes like pittsburgh or San diego. they are an attack first defense. We are a read and react defense.

 

[DBoys]

Groz to Groh!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really wish that people would start asking for a blitzing scheme rather than a coverage scheme. The whole GROZ thing is stupid. The schemem doesnt excite you so lets whine.

Well the scheme is working and id imagine if we had better free safeties that pass defense would be top 5 instead of top 10.

 

[DBoys]

I really wish that people would start asking for a blitzing scheme rather than a coverage scheme. The whole GROZ thing is stupid. The schemem doesnt excite you so lets whine.

Well the scheme is working and id imagine if we had better free safeties that pass defense would be top 5 instead of top 10.

I think we are going to see more aggression this week anyway. But I do agree with your points.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Zimmer reminds me a lot of Quincy Carter and Drew Bledsoe.

Hot and cold. One week you're wondering why in the hell do they have a job then they go out and shine for a week. THey did enough for a while to keep their jobs, but sooner or later it catches up to you and you have three bad weeks in a row.

Zimmer has the talent on D to force 3 turnovers a week and sack the QB 5 times a week.

None of us know if this is BPs design or Zimmer's, thats why it's hard to say GROZ, or Blame it on Bill.

Our defense is pretty good right now, but I think it could dominate the league, kinda like Chicago but with better run defense.

I know it's not every week, but this defense always seems to make an aweful QB look great every third week. See last game when Eli looked like Payton.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I know it's not every week, but this defense always seems to make an aweful QB look great every third week. See last game when Eli looked like Payton.

Both Manning bros. lost to this defense in the last half of the year. As far as I'm concerned they can have the stats when the Cowboys get the win.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Both Manning bros. lost to this defense in the last half of the year. As far as I'm concerned they can have the stats when the Cowboys get the win.

We won a shootout. I'm happy, but Manning didn't lose the game like he has recently.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bull rushing four guys from the same position every time on third and long doesn't cut it. A few line stunts and twists are a long way from being over aggressive. The Giants had huge holes in their blocking scheme that a quick defender could have easily gotten through.

And what if we do those "stunts" and the Giants are running a delayed draw? The chances are good there will be a hole open somewhere.

Parcells has used this method for more years than many on this board have been alive. It's obviously worked to some extent.

But it is Parcells and not Zimmer.