Gruden for Dak first and holding Jerry accountable second

[32BellyOption]

lol

Gruden? These coaching suggestions are sad.

I’d take Gruden over Zimmer or Moore. Stanbeck made a good case for him on Talkin’ Cowboys today.

 

[DallasEast]

You know what I just realized. I’m confusing you for the other guy. When I look quickly, your advertise in my mind look the same. And I’m confusing my replies to who gets it. That’s my bad ,to both of you.
not that response would’ve been different. It would’ve just been more complete.

 

[Whirlwin]

Wait.

My loyalty is not for sale.

I’m so frustrated, been here a long time you know that. I don’t see a shining light coming through anywhere. I’m predicting another losing season.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Coog, they are having conversations about you.

I knew the blog radar would ping you to see this instantly, well my friend, you made my wish come true!!!! It was good knowing you and all the others, i'm out of here!!!!!!

 

[CyberB0b]

Let’s all say it in unison:

No More Re-treads

 

[Blackrain]

Jerry loves taking risks. Get the injured player in the draft that should’ve been taken in the first round, we get them in the third and see what happens. I’m not sure if they still hold up to that strategy. There’s a lot of things he does that people don’t agree with that does not make him bad just makes him different.

It makes him a gambler with his money and our fandom.

We get the viewing frustration of the injured mentally dysfunctional dope heads that he decides to gamble on in the second round.

We get to watch as guys like Randy Gregory get coddled along giving every chance known to man and then stick it right up our behind

 

[ApolytonGP]

Let’s all say it in unison:

No More Re-treads

Yeah...look how that worked out for the Chiefs (Reid). Or the Rams (Vermeil).

 

[CyberB0b]

Yeah...look how that worked out for the Chiefs (Reid). Or the Rams (Vermeil).

Yeah, you came up with two names, one of which hasn’t been in the league in 20 years.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Neither are you and I, but anything at this point can happen

Something wrong with Bigdog whose mission it is now to stifle thought and discussion.

Gruden is the best option from the get-go as they say.
Will it happen? Perhaps not. I see it as a 20% chance.

But the continuous naysaying and stifling of thought is a bit much.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Wow, people really dislike Jerry. Why do you even stay cowboy fans fathoms me. Ask yourself why am I a cowboy fan.

Because I'm almost 60 and been a Cowboy fan most of my life. I'm determined to outlive him. I was a fan before Jerry and I'll be a fan after. Right now we're just a reality show. Best to sit back and laugh about it and blame the man who caused it.

 

[dupree89]

Because I'm almost 60 and been a Cowboy fan most of my life. I'm determined to outlive him. I was a fan before Jerry and I'll be a fan after. Right now we're just a reality show. Best to sit back and laugh about it and blame the man who caused it.

wow. great post.

 

[leeblair]

We went to the playoffs how many times but failed the system worked. The team wasn’t good enough. Byron Jones, fumbles on the goal line, Ezekiel Elliott. Couldn’t stop the run against the Rams. They went 250 yards.
You’re not a fan of Prescott I get it but he’s not the reason we failed kidding yourself , especially when you put in writing that Cooper is better

Cooper Rush IS better.
I'm not saying he is the answer, but he IS a better quarterback.
And it showed when he played. He made the Cowboys a better team. That is crystal clear.
Dak has to go immediately.
If he stays the franchise is dead.
But I don't see any coach who would be willing to make that call, so this coaching search is just more hype.
If Dak stays, nothing changes.

 

[Whirlwin]

Cooper Rush IS better.
I'm not saying he is the answer, but he IS a better quarterback.
And it showed when he played. He made the Cowboys a better team. That is crystal clear.
Dak has to go immediately.
If he stays the franchise is dead.
But I don't see any coach who would be willing to make that call, so this coaching search is just more hype.
If Dak stays, nothing changes.

The problem is you believe it. And that’s OK. You’re welcome to your opinion. But Cooper Rush is not better than Prescott and that’s not saying a lot.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Something wrong with Bigdog whose mission it is now to stifle thought and discussion.

Gruden is the best option from the get-go as they say.
Will it happen? Perhaps not. I see it as a 20% chance.

But the continuous naysaying and stifling of thought is a bit much.

I hear ya

 

[ApolytonGP]

Yeah, you came up with two names, one of which hasn’t been in the league in 20 years.

Fair point. I usually talk against proof by anecdote also.

I guess, you'd need to do some statistical sample of coaching record of retreads versus new-to-HC types. E.g. look at first two years performance. (After that, the new-to is a veteran.) Just see which has a higher winning percentage.

I actually don't know the answer. I bet both are close to .500. Wouldn't be surprised if retreads do better, even. There are a lot of "new-to" types that flame out. But...I'm too lazy to research it.

 

[Whirlwin]

Because I'm almost 60 and been a Cowboy fan most of my life. I'm determined to outlive him. I was a fan before Jerry and I'll be a fan after. Right now we're just a reality show. Best to sit back and laugh about it and blame the man who caused it.

Thank you for the response, I’m in the same situation. I was hoping I could wait him out. Lol.

 

[DallasEast]

Exactly........it's called return on investment. Jerry will have one major priority going forward.........putting Dak in the best position ( via players and coaches ) for his money's worth.

There will be observers, both critical or not critical of Jones' decisions, with their personal opinions of what he should do. It should always be relevant to reflect upon entire Jones' entire GM history in predicting what his moves might be.

No one should assume he will miraculously transform into a Beverly Hillbillies version of Arthur Blank. Blank signed off on paying Kirk Cousins with a $50 million signing bonus and guaranteeing him $100 million, while okaying the franchise use a number eight overall pick on drafting Michael Penix Jr.

Nothing in Jones' 30-year post-Jimmy Johnson history suggests he would do something similar to Blank. What has been apparent is Jones has quantified his commitment to quarterbacks (e.g. Dak Prescott and Tony Romo) he was confident in by signing them to multiple huge contracts. Sure, Jones has also tried-and-failed to draft a first round draft pick (i.e. Paxton Lynch) at the position but he never tried swinging for the fences to get those picks done. OR he allowed himself to be talked out of taking that action (e.g. Johnny Manziel).

No. Jones' GM history establishes his most probable action is staying the course (his course/not someone else's) and drafting mid-to-low round quarterbacks in providing depth. Diminishing or ignoring what Jones has done as a GM will not make an opinion more valid before he actually takes action. To me, it most likely validates what Jones will not do in the end instead.

 

[CyberB0b]

Fair point. I usually talk against proof by anecdote also.

I guess, you'd need to do some statistical sample of coaching record of retreads versus new-to-HC types. E.g. look at first two years performance. (After that, the new-to is a veteran.) Just see which has a higher winning percentage.

I actually don't know the answer. I bet both are close to .500. Wouldn't be surprised if retreads do better, even. There are a lot of "new-to" types that flame out. But...I'm too lazy to research it.

You’re arguing semantics, I guess, but no NFL coach has won a Super Bowl with two separate teams. I would guess there’s less than 5 who were head coaches somewhere else and didn’t win a Super Bowl, who later won with another team.

Either way, hiring a guy like Gruden who hasn’t won a playoff game since 2002 doesn’t make logical sense.

 

[Shannon1]

Just no Zimmer or Moore Please!

 

[ApolytonGP]

You’re arguing semantics, I guess, but no NFL coach has won a Super Bowl with two separate teams. I would guess there’s less than 5 who were head coaches somewhere else and didn’t win a Super Bowl, who later won with another team.

Either way, hiring a guy like Gruden who hasn’t won a playoff game since 2002 doesn’t make logical sense.

There are at least four coaches who won Super Bowls (Reid, Bellichick, Carroll, Vermeil) with the second gig (i.e. as "retreads"). In fact if you look at the number of Super Bowls, it's quite a lot, since Reid and Bellichick have several.

Again, that's anecdote. Also restricting to Super Bowls as a metric is greatly reducing the sample size. (I hate it when people use that as a metric since the n is so low and there's an outlier confounding the numbers, New England.) Besides, I actually don't think "win Super Bowl" is the only measure of success.

I wasn't trying to be word-semantic. Was serious about the sort of analysis that could be done to test the hypothesis either way (and even saying that I don't know which way the math would work out.)

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I'm not even arguing for a retread or against one. I just think walling yourself off from even looking at one is making an unneeded constraint. Look at both piles. If you hire someone to run a search for you, they will definitely do so.

Also, if you allow me to include other sports (to broaden the sample size), certainly there have been coaches in other sports (e.g. NBA) who have won league championships with different teams. There is no Euclidean reason saying we will never have one in the NFL either. Could happen.