Guys, change is coming Jerry Jones said

[Dale]

I have said this many times today.

As bad as it has looked, I think we matchup well with seattle. I think we play better on the road, as does everyone else.

I really think we win in seattle. The chicago game I am not sure about yet.

I think st.louis is going to sneak in sunday and give philly fits in the first round.

The thing about Chicago is they just find ways to win. Dock them all you want for style points, but their record speaks for itself. I would never place money on a Cowboys team that hasn't played well in December for a month when it's going up against a Chicago team that has two losses and carries a significant homefield advantage.

Now, maybe "bad" Rex shows up and changes all that. Who knows.

 

[thewivil]

And look at how much "improving" our kicking game helped the Cowboys this season.

I think saying getting rid of TO is what's needed IS like saying all last year's squad needed was a good kicker.

It's just like when Oakland drafted Janikowski. More issues remained unresolved. And this Cowboys team has much bigger issues than TO.

Now, if they can get rid of TO and replace him with a better, quieter player -- then hell yeah, make the move.

I'm not confident that player exists.

Not only do I believe we'll be weaker at receiver without him -- potentially impacting Romo, who has benefitted from TO's presence -- but I'm afraid some will see that as the huge move that was needed and overlook the rest of the team's problems.

Now, I'm not insinuating you're in that group. Not at all. But from reading some posts here, it does seem like some hold that perspective.

I really don't know which group I'm in at the moment. I don't think we let T.O. go unless we can find a more productive player to replace him with.

And I think heading into the offseason we have a lot more glaring needs to fix before going out and finding star wide receiver.

I'm not saying T.O. hasn't been very productive and has helped this team win a lot of games, I just wish he was more clutch. I wish we could have the confidence that when Romo launches a bomb to Owens that if the ball hits his hands, he will come down with it. I don't think anyone has that confidence in him at this point.

But like I said, I want to really find out how much his hand injury is affecting his ability to catch and hold onto the ball. During the broadcast, they showed how Owens has had to alter the way he catches the ball. He now uses his palms instead of pulling the ball in with his fingers because it hurts too much. In all honesty, that could be a huge reason why he's dropped a few recently.

 

[Dcz84]

Well if we did'nt get TO we would be like 5-10 and everyone would be like we should of got Owen's. Damned if ya do damned if ya dont.

 

[Zman5]

Washington was a momentum shifter.

That play last night was not even close on the Drop-O-Meter.

Blame Owens for overall team ineptitude if you like.

It was a bad play by him, but not a game changer.

I blame Hoyte more for missing a clean block than I do on Owens for missing the catch. But it isn't nearly as much fun to blame the fullback.

I agree all of plays you've mentioned were mometum changers but to say that drop was not a game changer is just flat out wrong.

We were down 16-7 and we had about 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. If TO catches that ball, we are at the Eagles 20 yard line to either go for a TD or at worst try for a FG. Either way, it would have made it a one posession game.

The play calling would have been different from then on and the Eagles defense would have played us different. The crowd would have been brought back in. etc. etc.

That catch had potential to chage how the rest of the game would have been played.

 

[StevenOtero]

I think Jerry is going to coach the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[smarta5150]

I agree all of plays you've mentioned were mometum changers but to say that drop was not a game changer is just flat out wrong.

We were down 16-7 and we had about 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. If TO catches that ball, we are at the Eagles 20 yard line to either go for a TD or at worst try for a FG. Either way, it would have made it a one posession game.

The play calling would have been different from then on and the Eagles defense would have played us different.

That catch had potential to chage how the rest of the game would have been played.

And what if we fumbled the snap on the following play.

Stop using these hypotheticals people.

 

[Zman5]

And what if we fumbled the snap on the following play.

Stop using these hypotheticals people.

And what if TO gets hit by a lighting tonight? What's your point?

This whole thread is about hypotheticals.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Throw the guy a slant and perhaps he can achieve some "returns after catches". The offensive usage of both TO and TG is ridiculous.

You don't pay a guy 10 million dollars and then proceed to not do what teams have been successful in doing on the past with him at wide out. Throw the quick slant already.

Regardless of what happens this offseason, if Parcells or Zimmer isn't gone this team will continue to fade back to the realm of mediocrity.

Defensive Coordinators get paid millions of dollars to analyze player strengths, and tendancies. I'm sure they're familiar with the fact that T.O. (one of the best west coast offense receivers in the game) can run short to intermediate routes, that includes the quit slant.

 

[Zman5]

Defensive Coordinators get paid millions of dollars to analyze player strengths, and tendancies. I'm sure they're familiar with the fact that T.O. (one of the best west coast offense receivers in the game) can run short to intermediate routes, that includes the quit slant.

Was that a Freudian slip?

 

[smarta5150]

And what if TO gets hit by a lighting tonight? What's your point?

This whole thread is about hypotheticals.

Ummm.

Change is coming.

It sure wasnt started for people's hypotheticals.

It was to make us aware I thought.

 

[Zman5]

Ummm.

Change is coming.

It sure wasnt started for people's hypotheticals.

It was to make us aware I thought.

Hmm. Are you Jerry Jones? Do you know what exact changes are coming?
Unless you do know , you are speculating and using hypotheticals.

 

[smarta5150]

Hmm. Are you Jerry Jones? Do you know what exact changes are coming?
Unless you do know , you are speculating and using hypotheticals.

Read my posts.

I didnt guess what the changes are.

This got turned into a TO hate thread so I was stating why we cant blame 1 guy for 1 or more losses.

Bottom line all our losses were team losses.

I am getting tired of people like you blaming 1 guy for a loss.

You said something along the lines... IF caught the deep ball against Philly we make it a 1 possession game.

How the hell can you say this with certain?

We scored 7 points all game... obviously points werent easy to come by.

I can use the IF word to... what IF he caught the ball and what IF we turned it over or what IF we missed the FG (VERY possible wouldnt you say?).

 

[Dale]

I really don't know which group I'm in at the moment. I don't think we let T.O. go unless we can find a more productive player to replace him with.

And I think heading into the offseason we have a lot more glaring needs to fix before going out and finding star wide receiver.

I'm not saying T.O. hasn't been very productive and has helped this team win a lot of games, I just wish he was more clutch. I wish we could have the confidence that when Romo launches a bomb to Owens that if the ball hits his hands, he will come down with it. I don't think anyone has that confidence in him at this point.

But like I said, I want to really find out how much his hand injury is affecting his ability to catch and hold onto the ball. During the broadcast, they showed how Owens has had to alter the way he catches the ball. He now uses his palms instead of pulling the ball in with his fingers because it hurts too much. In all honesty, that could be a huge reason why he's dropped a few recently.

I've supported Owens on numerous occasions.

To be a critic for a second...

One of my biggest concerns would be whether or not he's having to catch with his palm for the rest of his career. If he is, I think it becomes questionable whether he's becoming damaged goods at this point. If he can undergo offseason surgery and go back to catching the ball like normal next season, I really don't think the drops will be too big of an issue next season. He's always dropped some; but never like he has this year.

As for the rest of your post, I absolutely agree. This offense has neared dominance at times. If we're looking for change, I think it needs to be replacing Jones with a star running back -- not unloading TO. Because then not only will the Cowboys likely have just an "OK" receiver duo, but they'll also lack starpower in the backfield.

Jones is solid. But the Cowboys can do better than solid at running back, and I like Barber best in a situational role.

 

[Zman5]

Read my posts.

I didnt guess what the changes are.

This got turned into a TO hate thread so I was stating why we cant blame 1 guy for 1 or more losses.

Bottom line all our losses were team losses.

I am getting tired of people like you blaming 1 guy for a loss.

You said something along the lines... IF caught the deep ball against Philly we make it a 1 possession game.

How the hell can you say this with certain?

We scored 7 points all game... obviously points werent easy to come by.

I can use the IF word to... what IF he caught the ball and what IF we turned it over or what IF we missed the FG (VERY possible wouldnt you say?).

This is a internet forum. We are here to give our opinions. You want to read facts. Go read the stat pages on the NFL.com.

And when did I blame TO for the loss? I said his ONE play had an impact on the game.

Learn to read.

 

[Dale]

This is a internet forum. We are here to give our opinions. You want to read facts. Go read the stat pages on the NFL.com.

And when did I blame TO for the loss? I said his ONE play had an impact on the game.

Learn to read.

Hypotheticals are fine.

My problem with the hypothetical in question is it goes against everything else that happened in yesterday's game.

At no point did anything the Cowboys did well turn into a "momentum changer." Not Henry's INT. Not Owens' TD. Nothing.

I saw no evidence to suggest Owens' drop would have somehow changed any of that.

Could it have? Certainly. So could have Glenn's drop and numerous other frick-ups. The evidence just isn't there to support the claim in this instance.

To me, it's just as likely the Cowboys would have scored on that possession only to give up a touchdown on the ensuing drive. Philly's offense had the 'Boys defense right where it wanted it all game long. Just like New Orleans. It was as if they were teasing all us pathetic souls watching the game.

I mean, had Romo not led Owens in the wrong direction on that INT in the end zone -- or thrown the other INT -- a comeback might have also been in store. But, like I said, it's difficult for me to pin the loss on a singular play, even of that magnitude, given the complexion of the game as a whole.

 

[smarta5150]

We were down 16-7 and we had about 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. If TO catches that ball, we are at the Eagles 20 yard line to either go for a TD or at worst try for a FG. Either way, it would have made it a one posession game.

That was the line you used.

The way we played showed no evidence that we would have made it a one possession game.

We scored 7 total points in 60 minutes.

I think Dale just summed it up pretty well so I wont regurgetate it all.

This has gone on long enough anyway.

Time to throw this thread away.

As a final note I hope some people realize this is a team game and not 1 man can be soley blamed for a loss.

 

[bysbox1]

Throw the guy a slant and perhaps he can achieve some "returns after catches". The offensive usage of both TO and TG is ridiculous.

You don't pay a guy 10 million dollars and then proceed to not do what teams have been successful in doing on the past with him at wide out. Throw the quick slant already.

Regardless of what happens this offseason, if Parcells or Zimmer isn't gone this team will continue to fade back to the realm of mediocrity.

You know I always wondered why we never do that.

As a matter of fact, our offense is totally designed to T.O.'s weaknesses. When he was in Philly and San Fran, his bread and butter was to catch the 10-20 yard slant or crossing pattern and make it a big play. Since he's been it seems all he does is deep outs and posts. He has never done that well. T.O.'s strength is catching the short ball and making it a big play.

We need to tailor our offense to match our strengths.

 

[smarta5150]

You know I always wondered why we never do that.

As a matter of fact, our offense is totally designed to T.O.'s weaknesses. When he was in Philly and San Fran, his bread and butter was to catch the 10-20 yard slant or crossing pattern and make it a big play. Since he's been it seems all he does is deep outs and posts. He has never done that well. T.O.'s strength is catching the short ball and making it a big play.

We need to tailor our offense to match our strengths.

One last one, I apologize I talk too much I know :

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75626

 

[Apollo Creed]

Its a week by week game, based on momentum and guessing (half of what play calling is about). Its almost as random as the lottery, Texans over Colts... C'mon did ANYONE call that game? We're in here trying to decipher codes, and explain the exact scientific reason we're losing games. When a team loses, a team loses. The Dallas Cowboys (the team) lost Sunday, sure a few guys played worse than others - but at some point this team they have carried the team as well. Its not Zimmer, BP, T.O., Rivera, Gurode, etc. Its the team, we have the most talent in the game - we just aren't capable of being a 'team'. Funny how the Patriots are the epitome of a 'team' and seem to keep getting it done without any superstars.

 

[Zman5]

Hypotheticals are fine.

My problem with the hypothetical in question is it goes against everything else that happened in yesterday's game.

At no point did anything the Cowboys did well turn into a "momentum changer." Not Henry's INT. Not Owens' TD. Nothing.

I saw no evidence to suggest Owens' drop would have somehow changed any of that.

Could it have? Certainly. So could have Glenn's drop and numerous other frick-ups. The evidence just isn't there to support the claim in this instance.

To me, it's just as likely the Cowboys would have scored on that possession only to give up a touchdown on the ensuing drive. Philly's offense had the 'Boys defense right where it wanted it all game long. Just like New Orleans. It was as if they were teasing all us pathetic souls watching the game.

I mean, had Romo not led Owens in the wrong direction on that INT in the end zone -- or thrown the other INT -- a comeback might have also been in store. But, like I said, it's difficult for me to pin the loss on a singular play, even of that magnitude, given the complexion of the game as a whole.

Actually I would have agree with you last night but after rewatching the game tonight, I came away with a different feeling.

After scoring a FG on there opening drive in the 3rd quarter, the Eagle didn't do much offensively for the whole 3rd quarter. Matter of fact, they didn't even get beyond their 45 yard line. We were stopping them.

If TO catches that ball and we just score a FG, the game could have changed.

As I said before, I can't say we would have won but had TO caught the ball, my feeling is that we would have played a different game.