Guys, change is coming Jerry Jones said

[smarta5150]

Then I believe you, me and everyone in the free world underestimated how big of a fool he really is.

I cannot, no, I will not, even imagine that happening. Last night should have solidified exactly how inconsequential a coach like Mike Zimmer is to the Dallas Cowboys. He needs to be brushed away like dandruff, not promoted.

If that is the case, we all might as well just forget about a Super Bowl until he visits the pearly gates and lets his more intelligent son inherit the kingdom.

Yes. Win or get out. The coaches have all had their shot... they dont do it this year they can pack their bags.

 

[Dale]

Then I believe you, me and everyone in the free world underestimated how big of a fool he really is.

I cannot, no, I will not, even imagine that happening. Last night should have solidified exactly how inconsequential a coach like Mike Zimmer is to the Dallas Cowboys. He needs to be brushed away like dandruff, not promoted.

If that is the case, we all might as well just forget about a Super Bowl until he visits the pearly gates and lets his more intelligent son inherit the kingdom.

No kidding.

You think Jerry Jones wants Mike friggin' Zimmer as coach of the Dallas Cowboys when they shiny new stadium is unwrapped? :laugh2:

Might as well bring back Quincy at QB to really capitalize on the moment.

 

[Dale]

...As for this original thread and the TO stuff.

TO's drops are without a doubt problematic. He's also made plays that other players wouldn't. If the team's big plan of change is to get rid of that guy, I think this fanbase will be highly disappointed when the team isn't any better next year.

Unless his dismissal also comes with another high quality receiver, offensive line help, a pass rush, a competent free safety, etc.

TO's drop yesterday was big. But the team did nothing before or after to suggest that the outcome would have been any different had he made that catch.

If the Cowboys are going to gut the parts of the team that haven't played well the last month, well, there won't be much of a team left next season.

This December stretch transcends TO.

 

[smarta5150]

...As for this original thread and the TO stuff.

TO's drops are without a doubt problematic. He's also made plays that other players wouldn't. If the team's big plan of change is to get rid of that guy, I think this fanbase will be highly disappointed when the team isn't any better next year.

Unless his dismissal also comes with another high quality receiver, offensive line help, a pass rush, a competent free safety, etc.

TO's drop yesterday was big. But the team did nothing before or after to suggest that the outcome would have been any different had he made that catch.

If the Cowboys are going to gut the parts of the team that haven't played well the last month, well, there won't be much of a team left next season.

This December stretch transcends TO.

Wonderful.

I was beginning to think most people have lost their minds... and their vision.

Thank you Dale for hopefully shining some more light to those who continue to blame individual performances for losses.

 

[Ratmatt]

It's time for him to go, and I think even BP knows this. If he had to have old players and friends call him and come to Dallas to check on him after the way he looked during that first Giants game, then he'll probably need the entire '90 Giants team to come down and cheer him up this week.
He has looked the same against NO and yesterday as he did during that first NY game. I think he knows he has tried everything he can and he can't get it done.

The big question will be who JJ goes after to replace him with.

Well Pat Summerall,who is a close friend of Parcells,said today on the Norm Hitzges radio show,that he personally didn't think Parcells would come back next year.

 

[Dcz84]

Look...

I am un-happy with his drops as much as the next person but you cannot blame 1 play for losing a game.

This is not Tennis... this is not Bowling... This is not golf...

This is FOOTBALL which is a TEAM SPORT.

They win as a team, they lose as a team.

For every drop TO has had there has been an error by another player on the team.

Whether a missed block, a bad throw, a costly penalty... mistakes happen.

I cant put blame on 1 person for a loss... ESPICIALLY against the Skins.

People are looking to blame the obviuos choice for are problem's. Now if u want to be honest let's. The drop TO had should of never happened why? Cause Terry Glenn on ther same drive 3 plays earlier droped a 30 yard completion that had he caught would of put the ball at mid field and u add the 15 yard late hit on Romo and were at the 35 getting ready to score. So if ya REALLY want to blame someone Blame Terry Glenn it was his fault in the first place.

 

[Alexander]

Well Pat Summerall,who is a close friend of Parcells,said today on the Norm Hitzges radio show,that he personally didn't think Parcells would come back next year.

No offense, but Mister Summerall still sees pink elephants.

 

[smarta5150]

People are looking to blame the obviuos choice for are problem's. Now if u want to be honest let's. The drop TO had should of never happened why? Cause Terry Glenn on ther same drive 3 plays earlier droped a 30 yard completion that had he caught would of put the ball at mid field and u add the 15 yard late hit on Romo and were at the 35 getting ready to score. So if ya REALLY want to blame someone Blame Terry Glenn it was his fault in the first place.

Exactly.

You can blame virtually everyone in the game at one point or another for a costly play.

TO is under the microscope and he is an easy scapegoat to avoid the real problems of this team.

 

[Dale]

Wonderful.

I was beginning to think most people have lost their minds... and their vision.

Thank you Dale for hopefully shining some more light to those who continue to blame individual performances for losses.

Didn't Hoyte miss that killer block on the goal line? Didn't "The Closer" fail to get in the end zone from a yard out on three straight occasions? Didn't Glenn and TO BOTH drop key, big catches on the same drive? Didn't Romo throw two picks in the second half? Didn't the Cowboys appear outcoached again? Wasn't the pass rush non existent? Didn't yet another quarterback slice and dice this defense? Didn't the kick returner fumble for like the third straight week? Didn't the o-line play poorly (including their false start penalties).

Mat McBriar punted all right. Gramatica made his extra point. And I didn't notice any poor snaps on extra point/punts. Job well done to those men.

The rest of the team? They must have been in my living room watching the game. Because they made about the same impact on the game that I had.

TO's fun to bash. He's a dolt, loud-mouthed and under performing in some aspects this season (though I do laugh how his 12 TDs are thrown under the rug as if they didn't happen -- it'll be fun, no, horrid, waiting for the next time the 'Boys get a 12-TD season from a wideout if he is indeed released). But if we're pinning this loss on him, boy, I agree -- I think we've lost our collective minds.

I'm waiting for the "Quincy's to blame since his release gave us Romo, who tossed two-second half interceptions and cost us the game" post to emerge.

Just wait. Win next week and beat a vulnerable Seattle team in Seattle, and the roller coaster will be headed upward again -- only likely to collapse once more in New Orleans or Chicago.

 

[theebs]

No offense, but Mister Summerall still sees pink elephants.

I love pat summerall, him and madden were the best.

However, that story about him in the hospital last year is laugh out loud funny, didnt he say bruce willis was chasing him through the hospital...

the visual on that makes me laugh so hard I have tears....

Just picture summerall in his hospital gown running down the hallway, with bruce willis in his die hard get up saying yippee kai yay *****...

hillarious stuff.

 

[smarta5150]

Didn't Hoyte miss that killer block on the goal line? Didn't "The Closer" fail to get in the end zone from a yard out on three straight occasions? Didn't Glenn and TO BOTH drop key, big catches on the same drive? Didn't Romo throw two picks in the second half? Didn't the Cowboys appear outcoached again? Wasn't the pass rush non existent? Didn't yet another quarterback slice and dice this defense? Didn't the kick returner fumble for like the third straight week? Didn't the o-line play poorly (including their false start penalties).

Mat McBriar punted all right. Gramatica made his extra point. And I didn't notice any poor snaps on extra point/punts. Job well done to those men.

The rest of the team? They must have been in my living room watching the game. Because they made about the same impact on the game that I had.

TO's fun to bash. He's a dolt, loud-mouthed and under performing in some aspects this season (though I do laugh how his 12 TDs are thrown under the rug as if they didn't happen -- it'll be fun, no, horrid, waiting for the next time the 'Boys get a 12-TD season from a wideout if he is indeed released). But if we're pinning this loss on him, boy, I agree -- I think we've lost our collective minds.

I'm waiting for the "Quincy's to blame since his release gave us Romo, who tossed two-second half interceptions and cost us the game" post to emerge.

Just wait. Win next week and beat a vulnerable Seattle team in Seattle, and the roller coaster will be headed upward again -- only likely to collapse once more in New Orleans or Chicago.

Great post.

This forum is starting to look like the NFC in the way how week to week thungs change so dramatically.

 

[thewivil]

Yeah it is also likely we could be 15-0 if it wasnt for others screwing up.

The game is 60 minutes and it is a team sport no matter how you slice it.

Because of these 2 FACTS you cannot put the blame on 1 man for any of our losses.

We are not apologizing for the player.

We are simply telling some of you how this game works.

There are countless errors through out the game besides TOs.

This guy is just under a microscope and people like you and ESPN love to blow it all up.

If we want to be that critical of players then be critical of EVERYONE.

While it's true the teams lose games for not making enough plays, individual players have the ability to win them. T.O. has had a couple opportunities to do that, and he's let it slip through his fingers. That's why the finger is pointed at him for losing games.

Before this season, it was our kickers who were the players who cost us games, and now it's our highly-touted wide receiver.

Our players have to be accountable for their play on the field, and when they claim they need the ball to make a difference, they darn well better catch it when it's thrown their way.

I don't know how much Terrell's finger is contributing to his dropped balls, but if it's affecting his pass-catching ability to the point that we can't trust him to catch a game-winning pass, something has to be done until he's fully recovered.

I don't think we should take such drastic measures as cutting him until we can see how he performs at 100 percent. It seems like he hasn't been able to find his groove this season with the hamstring injury early on, his broken hand and now the torn ligament in his finger.

If we can keep a leash on him, I think we have to bring him back.

 

[Zman5]

...As for this original thread and the TO stuff.

TO's drops are without a doubt problematic. He's also made plays that other players wouldn't. If the team's big plan of change is to get rid of that guy, I think this fanbase will be highly disappointed when the team isn't any better next year.

Unless his dismissal also comes with another high quality receiver, offensive line help, a pass rush, a competent free safety, etc.

TO's drop yesterday was big. But the team did nothing before or after to suggest that the outcome would have been any different had he made that catch.

If the Cowboys are going to gut the parts of the team that haven't played well the last month, well, there won't be much of a team left next season.

This December stretch transcends TO.

I disagree. That catch had a potential to be a momemtum shifter for the team.

Look how bad we were killing Atlanta and how bad they were playing in before then they made one or tow big plays against us and then momentum totally shifted in Atl's favor.

I can't say we would have won the game but if he had caught that ball the outcome of the game would have been different.

 

[Alexander]

Just wait. Win next week and beat a vulnerable Seattle team in Seattle, and the roller coaster will be headed upward again -- only likely to collapse once more in New Orleans or Chicago.

Call me hopeless, but if we win at Seattle and at Chicago, I like our chances against the winner of the Saints/Eagles contest. I don't think Philadelphia could do it again, nor could New Orleans.

 

[Dale]

Great post.

This forum is starting to look like the NFC in the way how week to week thungs change so dramatically.

Maybe it's a poetic demonstration from the board to symbolize the state of the league?

When you put it in that perspective, it's quite clever and must be applauded.

 

[Alexander]

I disagree. That catch had a potential to be a momemtum shifter for the team.

Washington was a momentum shifter.

That play last night was not even close on the Drop-O-Meter.

Blame Owens for overall team ineptitude if you like.

It was a bad play by him, but not a game changer.

I blame Hoyte more for missing a clean block than I do on Owens for missing the catch. But it isn't nearly as much fun to blame the fullback.

 

[Dale]

I disagree. That catch had a potential to be a momemtum shifter for the team.

Look how bad we were killing Atlanta and how bad they were playing in before then they made one or tow big plays against us and then momentum totally shifted in Atl's favor.

I can't say we would have won the game but if he had caught that ball the outcome of the game would have been different.

Eh.

I thought TO's touchdown was a momentum changer.

And then our defense let Garthia march down for an easy field goal and to again exhibit the Eagles' supremacy over the 'Boys defense.

That field goal had little impact on the scoreboard. But I think it made all the impact on the team's morale. To go from a huge touchdown drive to your defense being humiliated like that (what DID happen on that third-down play with 8 seconds left?) was embarrassing.

I had little -- make that no -- confidence the Cowboys' defense wouldn't have allowed the same to happen if TO caught, and scored, that drop.

 

[theebs]

Call me hopeless, but if we win at Seattle and at Chicago, I like our chances against the winner of the Saints/Eagles contest. I don't think Philadelphia could do it again, nor could New Orleans.

I have said this many times today.

As bad as it has looked, I think we matchup well with seattle. I think we play better on the road, as does everyone else.

I really think we win in seattle. The chicago game I am not sure about yet.

I think st.louis is going to sneak in sunday and give philly fits in the first round.

 

[Dale]

While it's true the teams lose games for not making enough plays, individual players have the ability to win them. T.O. has had a couple opportunities to do that, and he's let it slip through his fingers. That's why the finger is pointed at him for losing games.

Before this season, it was our kickers who were the players who cost us games, and now it's our highly-touted wide receiver.

Our players have to be accountable for their play on the field, and when they claim they need the ball to make a difference, they darn well better catch it when it's thrown their way.

I don't know how much Terrell's finger is contributing to his dropped balls, but if it's affecting his pass-catching ability to the point that we can't trust him to catch a game-winning pass, something has to be done.

And look at how much "improving" our kicking game helped the Cowboys this season.

I think saying getting rid of TO is what's needed IS like saying all last year's squad needed was a good kicker.

It's just like when Oakland drafted Janikowski. More issues remained unresolved. And this Cowboys team has much bigger issues than TO.

Now, if they can get rid of TO and replace him with a better, quieter player -- then hell yeah, make the move.

I'm not confident that player exists.

Not only do I believe we'll be weaker at receiver without him -- potentially impacting Romo, who has benefitted from TO's presence -- but I'm afraid some will see that as the huge move that was needed and overlook the rest of the team's problems.

Now, I'm not insinuating you're in that group. Not at all. But from reading some posts here, it does seem like some hold that perspective.

 

[Dale]

Washington was a momentum shifter.

That play last night was not even close on the Drop-O-Meter.

Blame Owens for overall team ineptitude if you like.

It was a bad play by him, but not a game changer.

I blame Hoyte more for missing a clean block than I do on Owens for missing the catch. But it isn't nearly as much fun to blame the fullback.

Especially when that fullback has emerged as a fan favorite.

I'd have to rewatch the game, but it seemed like Hoyte whiffed several times. Haven't seen a single post here calling for his head.