Guys, change is coming Jerry Jones said

[Zman5]

We were down 16-7 and we had about 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. If TO catches that ball, we are at the Eagles 20 yard line to either go for a TD or at worst try for a FG. Either way, it would have made it a one posession game.

That was the line you used.

The way we played showed no evidence that we would have made it a one possession game.

We scored 7 total points in 60 minutes.

I think Dale just summed it up pretty well so I wont regurgetate it all.

This has gone on long enough anyway.

Time to throw this thread away.

As a final note I hope some people realize this is a team game and not 1 man can be soley blamed for a loss.

Nice job taking my quote out of contex. Do you work for ESPN?

Once again find a post where I said TO's drop was the reason we lost.

 

[DBoys]

I love pat summerall, him and madden were the best.

However, that story about him in the hospital last year is laugh out loud funny, didnt he say bruce willis was chasing him through the hospital...

the visual on that makes me laugh so hard I have tears....

Just picture summerall in his hospital gown running down the hallway, with bruce willis in his die hard get up saying yippee kai yay *****...

hillarious stuff.

This is the funniest post I have ever read on this board

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Throw the guy a slant and perhaps he can achieve some "returns after catches". The offensive usage of both TO and TG is ridiculous.

You don't pay a guy 10 million dollars and then proceed to not do what teams have been successful in doing on the past with him at wide out. Throw the quick slant already.

Regardless of what happens this offseason, if Parcells or Zimmer isn't gone this team will continue to fade back to the realm of mediocrity.

I suppose those dropped passes were part of the game plan too?

I have yet to read any TO critic placing the entire blame on him. To suggest as much is nothing more than a defense tactic to divert attention away from the fact that TO has failed to perform in big games and that was the very reason he was brought here. Any sane and rational being would spend more time criticizing the star player who was counted on to produce in big games.

And yes, a few drops can be instrumental in a loss. Football is about momentum. A key catch here and there can mean the difference in games. Catches like that can change momentum and inspire players to play aka EXECUTE better on the next series. Just because a team was playing bad, it doesn't mean that a big catch can't motivate a team to play better on their next series. Therefore, these arguments that suggest a big catch by TO wouldn't change the outcome of the game because we were executing poorly beforehand is not fair. A catch like that very well could have changed the game. And I think all of us know that our stars in the past made plays to change games. Guys like Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and Jay Novacek would come up with big plays in crucial moments. We would play poorly and those guys could reignite our team emotionally on the field and change the outcome of games. So don't tell me that TO's drops meant nothing.

Some of you need to stop playing defense attorney and simply admit what you know in your heart to be true. You can blame the playcalling all you want but BIG players don't make excuses. They find a way to get the job done in any system. A big reason TO didn't see the ball was because he wasn't getting open. They had double teamed him all day and the truth is TO is overrated and thinks too highly of himself. The reality is if he was open, he would have seen the ball. Heaven forbid, Romo started throwing picks because he was trying to force the ball to that loudmouth who was covered well.

 

[Zaxor]

Especially when that fullback has emerged as a fan favorite.

I'd have to rewatch the game, but it seemed like Hoyte whiffed several times. Haven't seen a single post here calling for his head.

Wow... Hoyte being the highest paid player on the team should be expected to make those plays...

Christ its not like "the player" who had to change positions and is a rookie and gets paid peanuts...

 

[EveryoneElse]

Eagles 23 Cowboys 7

TO scores the lone Touchdown. I can see where he is the problem.

Who exactly is calling the plays for this offense? What would the score have been if we had gotten super creative and chose to throw instead of running barber into a pile 3 straight times inside the 5, and scored a TD?

The scheme is aweful, offensively and defensively. I can't seem to say it enough....Bill Parcells coaches like a coward. I've seen this team play to win only a handfull of times since he's been here.....I'm sick to death of watching a team full of "super stars" play close to the vest trying not to lose.

On the TO situation.....He leads the league in TD receptions and he's doing it with a jacked up finger, all the while we have an over rated defense that mails it in after 2 1/2 qtrs of football. Last time I recall a team mailing it in like that, Dave Campo got canned.

BP, imo, has lost this team.

Stay tuned fellas, change is nearing. I can't wait.

 

[Dale]

Wow... Hoyte being the highest paid player on the team should be expected to make those plays...

Christ its not like "the player" who had to change positions and is a rookie and gets paid peanuts...

Money doesn't imapct the game within the white lines, IMO.

Every player is expected to perform. I don't care if it's TO or Sam Hurd dropping that ball, or Julius Jones or Oliver Hoyte missing a block.

Crushing mistakes are crushing mistakes.

If we're going to count up all those made by TO, we might as well count up all those made by every other player in a loss.

It's a team game, and there are countless names to blame. Just like in victory, we aren't sitting here screaming, "Boy, sure glad TO won us the game." Nope. There's always credit being spread around here to many, many players in victory.

Yet it seems like only a select few typically get the blame in defeat.

Oh, and if money is such a factor in this discussion, find me all the other players on this team that have made the plays TO has made.

It's not like the guy's stuck at the 600-yard mark this year and can't get past a corner. He's not making the amount of plays he should be, but he's not a complete dud, either.

He deserved all the blame for that Washington loss. THAT was a horrid drop IMO. Yesterday's was just another play muddled in a horrible defeat.

I just think this team's problems go beyond TO's drops, Roy blowing the occasional play, and the few other scapegoats that are typically thrown around here.

This team got punched in the mouth on the offensive front. The coaching appeared inferior on both sides of the ball. Special teams turned it over. The offense turned it over. The defensive line was pushed around. Plays weren't being made on the defensive side.

Get rid of TO and Roy, and the Eagles' lines still dominate the game.

Those two gentleman have to look in the mirror and ask themselves what they must do to get better. But so do a lot of other players, too.

If the Cowboys are to win a playoff game, it's going to require improved performances by a ton of players -- not just TO and Roy, or whoever.

 

[Dale]

Eagles 23 Cowboys 7

TO scores the lone Touchdown. I can see where he is the problem.

Who exactly is calling the plays for this offense? What would the score have been if we had gotten super creative and chose to throw instead of running barber into a pile 3 straight times inside the 5, and scored a TD?

The scheme is aweful, offensively and defensively. I can't seem to say it enough....Bill Parcells coaches like a coward. I've seen this team play to win only a handfull of times since he's been here.....I'm sick to death of watching a team full of "super stars" play close to the vest trying not to lose.

On the TO situation.....He leads the league in TD receptions and he's doing it with a jacked up finger, all the while we have an over rated defense that mails it in after 2 1/2 qtrs of football. Last time I recall a team mailing it in like that, Dave Campo got canned.

BP, imo, has lost this team.

Stay tuned fellas, change is nearing. I can't wait.

TO is a "yeah, but" player this season. He has 12 touchdowns "but..."

But it seems like a lot of people are just focusing on the "but" at this point. It gets overlooked that he has three touchdowns in the last two games, or that he helped spark the offense against Atlanta, etc.

Like I said above, the impact he HAS made shouldn't be denied -- nor should the obvious missed opportunities he has singularly created. But it seems like one or the other always gets lost in the shuffle though.

And for as well as I thought he played against Atlanta, that game was a team victory. It wasn't about him and his touchdowns. It was about a team rebounding and playing sharply. Rightfully so, no one single-handedly pointed him out as the team's savior, despite the two difficult scores that no one else on this team could have made.

Yet he drops a ball in a game filled with potential momentum changers gone by the wayside, and many are so eagerly prepared and willing to point the finger solely, by and large, at him.

I just think it's a skewed perspective. I realize he's a lightning rod, but why is so much made about him in losses? He's not the only highly-paid "super star" underperforming in the Cowboys' losses. It's difficult to name many that have played well in such games.

 

[Rack]

Money doesn't imapct the game within the white lines, IMO.

Every player is expected to perform. I don't care if it's TO or Sam Hurd dropping that ball, or Julius Jones or Oliver Hoyte missing a block.

Crushing mistakes are crushing mistakes.

Since when is it ok to make a mistake just cuz so and so player doesn't make a lot of money?

 

[Established1971]

What about the blocked FG ???

That was TOs fault too?

and the missed 2 pt conversion in the 1st half. Bill should get get a pass on that goof

 

[AmishCowboy]

Everybody here is forgetting how bad Vanderjagt and Bledsoe were earlier this season and blaming T.O. for everything. And I forgot that T.O. also plays defense.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I am ready for action.....let's go Mr. Jones

 

[PB&J]

TO wasn't the reason we lost, but that drop on 3rd and 19 or whatever it was, was huge!! Romo hit him right in stride and if that catch is made its anyones guess what happens next. But the same can be said if the D got any sort of stop on 3rd down, or if Romo didn't overthrow Glenn early in the game...the TEAM lost

 

[starfrombirth]

and yet.....60% of our championships come from one Jerry Jones.

Way to think for yourself.

Baaa.

What he said. Anybody that thinks Jerry doesn't want to win or is incapable of winning teams hasn't watched the rest of the nfl over the years. No one can win every year. NOT EVEN NEW ENGLAND. Get a grip to all you morons who think you could do so much better than Jerry. Your not as smart as you think you are.

 

[Bleu Star]

the TEAM lost

ok, back to your blame TO show.

 

[Fletch]

all I read into that is TO isn't gonna be back cause he damn sure isn't earning that check.

Owens has played 90% of his career in the "West Coast" offense. He has a torn ligament in his finger, sustained a fracture in his hand earlier in the season, and has had to find some sort of rythem with TWO different QB's this season, and yet he still leads the team in receptions and TD's.

Owens has Pro Bowl numbers this year and yet he needs to leave?? I say hogwash to all of that. Give him one more year in the offensive system we run with one more season playing with ONE QB before throwing him under the bus like many of you have already done.

 

[Frosty]

ok, back to your blame TO show.

The team lost, your absoutly right.

The real story is the trouble brewing within the orginaztion between the Coaches and Players, they have been out of sync for awhile. IMO Personality conflicts and not confidence has risen back to the forefront. Mr Jones sensed the same thing or he would not of made those comments. He shot a warning blow to the orginaztion with his words....Mr Jones has seen enough

If the Dallas Cowboys fall flat in the playoffs, Bill Parcells will walk away from the game,,, Tarnished, his legacy will be,,,

 

[EPL0c0]

all I read into that is TO isn't gonna be back cause he damn sure isn't earning that check.

I think Owens has more than earned this season's check. Quietly he's had a good year...if not for the drops (which I blame on the injured hand and commend him for not punking out and having surgery), he'd have pro bowl worthy stats.

For the most part he's kept himself in check off the field as well. When was his last side-line explosion? It's easy to blame Owens, but the guy has done as good as he can with what he has. He is 33 can't expect him to be the Terrell of 2001 with the 49ers. He has been good for Dallas on the field.

 

[utrunner07]

Go get me Bob Stoops, please.

Heck no, all he does is whine and cheat, keep him away.

 

[aikemirv]

After reading the 10 pages of this thread I will say this.

I don't think TO can catch the quick slant more than 50% of the time - he is just not catching the ball with his fingers and it is not going to work trying to catch with your palms.

He was interfered with on the deep pass which he dropped - actually illegal contact early and pushing late) should have caught it but it was not easy like the Washington game.

Single players in team sports do turn the momentum of the game and end up costing games. TO drop in the Washington game was the key play in that game at that point in time - I do believe it would have won the game for us.

Problem in the Philly game was that there were a bunch of those key plays that took the heart out of the team.

#1 - Fumbled kickoff
#2 - the decision to not kick the FG
#3 - the play call on 4th and goal
#4 - the missed block by Witten
#5 - the screwup by Burnett
#6 - the drops - I say plural because To was not the only one.

But most of all, the inability to get pressure on the QB took the heart out of this team. They just could not get them off the field enough. Philly did not punt until the middle of the 3rd Qtr - that is just not going to get it done.

The NFL is so much about momentum and we, every time it was there for the taking, whiffed on it.

This game, as dissapointing as it was could have very well been a win for us but you cannot have that many coaching and player errors and even think of being in the game!

 

[JPM]

Heck no, all he does is whine and cheat, keep him away.

He's done a great job this year, but he can stay at OU. Plus, I don't see him leaving.