Guys, is this why we lose in late november and December and playoffs?

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Chocolate Lab;2039092 said:
As said above... Which month was 62-7 in?

So our 21-17, 21-20, and 27-10(whatever it was) scores to the Giants, Hawks, and Panthers in RECENT playoff games don't count as well, b/c they were in January?

After that 62-7 shalacking to the Jags, even Jimmy came out and apologized to his team for working them too hard(and subsequently handed the reigns over to Wanny).
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2039065 said:
LOL @ Zach leading the entire team. Like he did with the Dolphins right? rightttttttttttttt


Not even close to being a good comparison. Nice job on trying to be cute though.

If you took the talent of the entire Dolphins roster, added it all together, it wouldn't have equaled the talent Dallas has on just one side of the ball.

Extremely poor job of trying to look cute with a sarcastic remark.
 

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Parcells worked them in pads more than anybody. He griped and *****ed and stayed on their case more than anybody. Why didn't we win with him?

People need to stop ascribing these magical powers to Jimmy. We had the perfect storm here with all the draft picks from the Herschel trade plus Irvin and Aikman. That's likely not going to be repeated -- just like he couldn't do at Miami.

Geez, people need to have a little patience. Romo *just* got here. It's perfectly normal for a team to improve in fits and starts before they break though -- see the Colts for an example.
 

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cowboyjoe;2039134 said:
First to comment about jimmy with the dolphins, it wasnt so much marino that jimmy had clash with, it was Don Shula; thats the big problem in miami still, don shula has some stock in the team and still has some say;

what i heard, that when jimmy went to miami, right off he wanted to trade marino and shula wouldnt let him, jimmy was going to use marion in a big huge trade like he did with hershel walker;

back to comparisons with the 90's cowboys and then now cowboys, im not so much trying to compare the players with players now, what i am trying to do is show, they were losers when jimmy came in, he cleaned house, instilled quickness and speed, and YOU WILL WIN, YOU WILL GET TURNOVERS IN THEIR FIRST SUPERBOWL WITH BUFFALO AND THEY DID,

again he didnt sit on a 13 record, when they won their title like wade phillips still sits and says, we did win a playoff game, because we won the divisioin title, we got a bye, so we did win a playoff game, which is BULL!

again what im trying to show is this, he pushed their buttons, whatever way he saw fit, he didnt sit on a 13 game winning spree and say, well we lost because we went on the road, in december, and we did lose to a team that went all the way

jimmy didnt settle for second best, nor did he ; he said this;
you have to take a chance, dutch davis said he gave us the ability to take a risk, to go to the superbowl, then jimmy said, you cant be afraid to fail, to me, its a bigger sin not to take chance, most coaches are conservative, but to me, then to go out and be short, so they fail , then i believe you should try, you might be short at the end, but better to try and you know you gave it all you got. So Dallas on a big play, in the san frans game in candlestick, with the big slant to harper, jimmy went for the win with slant to harper. You attack, you dont sit back and let the team attack you;

so, thats what im saying, and i agree with you guys about the leaders on this team, they have to step up, but the head coach has to step up too, and attack, not sit back on a 13 game winning;

like im begging to wonder what the buffalo fans said is true, wade phillips can get you there, with his style of defense, but he like sits on that once he gets to the playoffs, and wade phillips lost all of his playoff games as a head coach

finally, dont forget an old saying is the team takes on the personality of the head coach, and they believed in jimmy and they won;, thats what im trying to point to maybe why we lost in december and the playoff game,

im sure you all saw how passive the offensive line was, why? were they passsive, and why did romo have to tell them, lets go, lets go, and they seemed to be dragging their feet, why? remember now, barber had no holes in the second half to run through, why,

i agree that the giants are a good defensive team, but still, we had a huge offensive line too, they just werent blocking in 2nd half, again i point to, what was found out, in december, wade phillips didnt have his team work out in pads at all in december, why,

its like jimmy johnson said, fatigue makes cowards of u, to me, seemed like the offensive line was tired in 2nd half, why, whose fault was that, whose fault was it that the offensive line wasnt fatigued, and the big drops by wrs afteer T O went out, why? was it due to lack of coaching and getting and keeping the players in shape in december? why?

I believe Bill didn't work out his teams in pads in Dec either. From what I understand, it's a BAD idea b/c it's late in the season, the players, especially the vets, are getting physically worn down, etc.

Anyhow-while you do bring up good points, less not forget NORV TURNER finished the season with 8 straight wins and made it to the AFCCG(something which pretty much shocked everyone-and no, he didn't exactly change his layed back ways either).
 

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Sarge;2039009 said:
This team is SORELY lacking leadership. Wade isn't even a good leader IMO. No leaders on offense (although Romo is close) and nothing even remotely close to a genuine leader on defense. This team needs to be fired up late in the year and there is no one stepping up in this regard. That's my take anyways.

I think Romo will do a better job as a leader this season. As a UDFA among established stars he had to be careful when he first got to start, and his long term status was still in doubt until he got his new contract in the middle of last season. But this year his status is secure and he should feel no hesitancy in clearly accepting the leadership role.

On defense, Zach Thomas may provide the catalyst that is needed.

:star:
 

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Chocolate Lab;2039149 said:
Parcells worked them in pads more than anybody. He griped and *****ed and stayed on their case more than anybody. Why didn't we win with him?

People need to stop ascribing these magical powers to Jimmy. We had the perfect storm here with all the draft picks from the Herschel trade plus Irvin and Aikman. That's likely not going to be repeated -- just like he couldn't do at Miami.

Geez, people need to have a little patience. Romo *just* got here. It's perfectly normal for a team to improve in fits and starts before they break though -- see the Colts for an example.

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone here-no, you don't need FF players, but you need the PROPER PERSONNEL to help RUN YOUR SCHEME.

I'll point out the Giants again-they get rid of their penalty-plagued LT last year, and all of a sudden, Tom Coughlin looks like the disciplinarian he was always notorious for. They get rid of Tiki, and all of a sudden, Coughlin doesn't get labeled as a "hard *** everyone hates". Shockey goes down, and all of a sudden, Eli starts living up to the hype as the #1 overall he once was.

And I pointed out in other threads that while I don't mind zone defense, the fact that we had personnel who NEVER grasped and understood this scheme was beyond mystifying.

Blame Wade, bow down to Jimmy, do whatever you want-we can spin wheels all day if we want to.
 

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Mods, does this forum have a methamphetamine detector ?
You should never let your fingers do the typing when using meth ,because your typing skills cannot keep up with your fingers.When you couple that with your fingers not being able to keep up with the rambling thoughts in your brain, you get several posts like the ones in this thread. Yikes!
 

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boysboy, whats this about our coaching staff not understanding zone defense?///////// is that true?????

personally i dont like the defensive coordinator, cant think of his name, but he coached in houston, and they failed, seems like he is doing it here too when wade lets him run the defense

he is same guy that had jason hatcher run when he wasnt ready and jason hatcher pulled a hamstring, and jerry jones went off on the coordinator,
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2039065 said:
LOL @ Zach leading the entire team. Like he did with the Dolphins right? rightttttttttttttt

Oh, I forgot to turn the sarcasm brackets on.

:laugh2:

Sorry.
 
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BraveHeartFan;2039147 said:
Not even close to being a good comparison. Nice job on trying to be cute though.

If you took the talent of the entire Dolphins roster, added it all together, it wouldn't have equaled the talent Dallas has on just one side of the ball.

Extremely poor job of trying to look cute with a sarcastic remark.



So Zach would have a better chance of leading a team with great players as opposed to a team with young players actually LOOKING TO HIM for leadership?............I wasn't trying to be cute i was being honest. Zach Thomas is a player that will be here for 2 years at the most. That is who will lead the Dallas Cowboys team to the promised land? A 30 something year old linebacker who wouldn't be a top 5 player on our defense?


:lmao:
 

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Sarge;2039009 said:
This team is SORELY lacking leadership. Wade isn't even a good leader IMO. No leaders on offense (although Romo is close) and nothing even remotely close to a genuine leader on defense. This team needs to be fired up late in the year and there is no one stepping up in this regard. That's my take anyways.

I hate to agree with this...because...well ya know, it's well....Sarge...:eek:

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The teams of the early 70's made it over the top because of leadership...guys like Adderly, Alworth, Ditka, Forget Gregg, Leroy Caffey (that's three ex Packers who KNEW how to win) were all brought in.

Romo has some growing to do in this area...in fact, vs the Giants in the playoffs, he came unhinged at the end of the game...and look a bit out of control.

Aikman had an intensity that Romo does not.

There's no Michael Irvin on this team...or Emmitt Smith. And for as whacky as he was, no one crossed Charles Haley.

Norton was a leader.

I think the lack of leadership from the players is the biggest problem.
 

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cowboyjoe;2039180 said:
boysboy, whats this about our coaching staff not understanding zone defense?///////// is that true?????

personally i dont like the defensive coordinator, cant think of his name, but he coached in houston, and they failed, seems like he is doing it here too when wade lets him run the defense

he is same guy that had jason hatcher run when he wasnt ready and jason hatcher pulled a hamstring, and jerry jones went off on the coordinator,

I was talking about the PLAYERS(i.e. Jacques Reeves) not understanding and grasping the schemes. On the contrary, the coaching can be world class, but if your players aren't up to par, there's nothing you can do.

I believe you're talking about Brian Stewart-he served as defensive backs coach in SD when Wade was DC and Marty was HC there. When was he in Houston? That's new to me.
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2039065 said:
LOL @ Zach leading the entire team. Like he did with the Dolphins right? rightttttttttttttt
Thomas was one of the leaders on the Dolphins as well as Jason Taylor. These guys are perennial pro bowlers. Don't blame them because of the front office woes. Thomas may be on the downside of his career, but he definitely has leadership skills. That, my friend, is righttttttttttttt.:star:
 

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here you go Boysboy, brian stewart with houston;
Brian Stewart was recently hired by the Dallas Cowboys to be their new defensive coordinator. In doing so, Stewart has been reunited with Cowboys' new head coach Wade Phillips. Stewart has spent the last three seasons with the San Diego Chargers as the defensive backs coach. While there, Stewart worked alongside Phillips, who was the Chargers defensive coordinator.

Stewart began his coaching career in 1993. He spent nine years in the college ranks, coaching in various positions for five different schools. Stewart found his way to the NFL with the help of the league's Minority Coaching Fellowship Program, making the jump to the NFL in 2002, joining the expansion Houston Texans as assistant defensive backs coach. He spent two years with the team, before joining the coaching staff in San Diego in 2004.

Stewart helped guide the Chargers to becoming a top-10 defense in 2006. The Chargers defense only gave up 201 passing yards per game. Stewart looks to have the same impact with the Cowboys.
 

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Juke99;2039238 said:
I hate to agree with this...because...well ya know, it's well....Sarge...:eek:

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day..

You're within firing distance mister................:shoot2:
 

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YoMick;2039064 said:
And yet Jimmy got them to win 2 SB's back to back... rather convincingly.... and then Switzer comes in and we blow it big time against San Fran. That team needed what Jimmy had.

I still stick to my guns on this one.... if Jimmy were coach we win NFC championship a third straight year against the 49ers. We win the SB. We win a total of 4 in a row... ultimately.

But thats just me :mad: :D

I'm witcha.

No way a Jimmy Johnson-led team would have turned the ball over three times and spotted the 49ers 21 points.
 

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Sarge;2039432 said:
You're within firing distance mister................:shoot2:

Yeah...I can almost hear you blowing your bugle...
 

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tyke1doe;2039466 said:
I'm witcha.

No way a Jimmy Johnson-led team would have turned the ball over three times and spotted the 49ers 21 points.

Yup.... and that was all within the first what? 12 minutes of 1st qtr? :bang2:
 

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YoMick;2039477 said:
Yup.... and that was all within the first what? 12 minutes of 1st qtr? :bang2:
:trophy: I needed to use this to make myself feel better.:D I hate when people bring up that game. Absolutely sickening.
 
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