Guys, is this why we lose in late november and December and playoffs?

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Guys, i was watching the Wizard, Jimmy Johnson story, I missed the first 12 minutes, but I saw 2 key things, that maybe missing with cowboys now and why they seem flat and losing in december and playoffs;

The Cowboys won their first playoff game against the Packers, but then to Jimmy they seemed flat, even the newspapers were saying that who was going to win this big game, so jimmy wanted them to shift to higher gear, dominant win over packers, but big upcoming game against 49ers, jimmy wanted them to win, shift to higher gear, so jimmy said, when you have things going smoothly, sometimes you need to create a crisis, I think if your not careful; when things are going good, and you look around, like geting complacient, content with your wins, then all of a sudden, then you can go backwards, I felt our team was uptight, needed a spark, so I said we will win the ballgame in 3 inch bold headline letters to the newspapers;

he also talked about playmakers, this is what he said, remember now Jerry Jones said this team needs playmakers this year;
Showtime, Michael Irvin said, whom we all agree is a playmaker, Jimmy Johnson said, quickenss, speed, the thing ive always said, I want them to be playmakers, I want them to have quickeness to make play like emmitt smith to avoid tackle or quickenss of Russell Maryland to make a play,
When you tell someone he is a playmaker, keep telling them that, its engrained in them, they will make a play, knack to get every player to play at his peak, we know if it's a 60 minute ballgame, our playmakes will come through,and of course jimmy johnson had a big big offensive line to run over them. Atttack with defense, attack. THen, Jimmy would tell them your going to win, i told you so,

Like this what Jimmy said, and Michael Irvin refered too;;Was he tense in super bowl, like commander has with great battle, no ours was in san Francisco, I knew that, Micheal Irvin said, when he came in, difference in game would be turnovers, he didn?t say if we get turnovers, he said we will get turnovers, so micheal Irvin said you better believe what he said or your in trouble with Jimmy Johnson.

Were here now, ahhhhhhhhh, Kenny Norton said in 1st playoff game against Bears.ATTITUDE AND DESIRE TO WIN, BE THE BEST, NORTON GOT THAT FROM HIS DAD, DO THE COWBOYS NOW HAVE THAT DESIRE AND HEART!And believe their winners, like what Troy Aikman said, when they got Charles Haley, he showed up what it is to be a champion and what it takes,


remember we were winning up to the green bay game, then started going backwards, and we have done that even to my mind with parcells teams, remember we would win up to december then flat,;

so what do you think guys, are these some key things that Wade Phillips and guys like Tony Romo, Barber, T O, Newman, Roy Willilams, Witten, Ware, Ellis need to step up and become leaders and show the team what it takes, and kick *** on the players when they dont put forth the effort.
 

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I don't know, but reading your post makes me want to do something really manly, like rip out chest hair with my bair hands
 

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Haley was certifiable.

Nothing that team did translates to anything with this team. That was a different nfl.
 

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Jimmy was known for Creating Crisis to keep the guys going and fired up.

However I recall that Emmitt, Troy or the Playmaker saying later that the crisis stuff starting getting old after awhile and just did not have the same power it did at the start. Said it started getting a little comical because he would have to stretch to come up with the crisis and it just was not working after a time.

So who knows.

Another thing to consider...Jimmy did not have to deal with a Salary cap while with the cowboys.

If it was as easy as just creating a crisis each week...the Dolphins would have done a little better instead of getting slaughtered in that playoff game and Jimmy Retiring afterwards.
 

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i think i lost 10 brain cells, and 12 intel points on this thread.

but overall, i think your wrong

1992 != 2007/8
 

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BrainPaint, immy was known for Creating Crisis to keep the guys going and fired up.

However I recall that Emmitt, Troy or the Playmaker saying later that the crisis stuff starting getting old after awhile and just did not have the same power it did at the start. Said it started getting a little comical because he would have to stretch to come up with the crisis and it just was not working after a time.

So who knows.


i agree with you, way you motivate players gets old after awhile, its like bil parcells said when he first came aboard, his hard style of coaching, etc, that the cowboys have to win, quickly or it will get old, and players wont buy into it etc;

what im saying is, if you look, we always seem to be flat come late november and december, this year, we laid back, if you remember in the Commander game, tony romo said, we held back some things, you cant do that, and keep your momentum going,

thats what im pointing too, jimmy johnson did things to keep the edge on the team, he didnt sit on the 13 win record, like wade phillips did, you have to create something to get the players to keep moving forward, thats what im pointing too, now how you do that, i dont know, but to me, thats what is missing,

creatiing situations to pep the team up, like what motivated the team in the big giant game was the seperated shoulder of emmitt smith, and the players saw how hard emmitt played, and they fed off of that, along with jimmy johnson instilling in them, winning, you will win, you will get turnovers, to me, thats what is missing, somethign like that along those lines; and playmakers that rub off of the other players;
 

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This team is SORELY lacking leadership. Wade isn't even a good leader IMO. No leaders on offense (although Romo is close) and nothing even remotely close to a genuine leader on defense. This team needs to be fired up late in the year and there is no one stepping up in this regard. That's my take anyways.
 

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HeavyHitta31;2038984 said:
I don't know, but reading your post makes me want to do something really manly, like rip out chest hair with my bair hands

You better ask first before you do that to someone else's chest hairs! They may not appreciate it. :p:
 

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Think of this for a second.

What are the constants on this team from when Jimmy left until Now.

Who are the people that are still here through that time.

The people in the front office and a strength coach.

Now maybe it is a bit of a conspiracy theory here but you have to admit it is odd that we have those same people yet different players and other coaches...yet sill have trouble getting into and winning the playoffs.

Just something to think about.
 

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cowboyjoe;2038957 said:
so jimmy said, when you have things going smoothly, sometimes you need to create a crisis, I think if your not careful; when things are going good, and you look around, like geting complacient, content with your wins, then all of a sudden, then you can go backwards, I felt our team was uptight, needed a spark, so I said we will win the ballgame in 3 inch bold headline letters to the newspapers

Nah, "We're fine."

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Sarge;2039009 said:
This team is SORELY lacking leadership. Wade isn't even a good leader IMO. No leaders on offense (although Romo is close) and nothing even remotely close to a genuine leader on defense. This team needs to be fired up late in the year and there is no one stepping up in this regard. That's my take anyways.


How in the world is Romo close to being a leader? I think Hamlin is way more of a leader for the defense than Romo is for the offense.
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2039032 said:
How in the world is Romo close to being a leader? I think Hamlin is way more of a leader for the defense than Romo is for the offense.

I think that with Zack Thomas here he can be leader for the ENTIRE team.

As for Romo, he's not struck me as a genuine leader yet. Of course, he's relatively new to the starting position and is still developing his leadership skills.
I would think Witten and Barber could step into that position individually or in tandem in the interim or until Romo is up to speed.
 

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This current group of cowboys are a work in progress, as far as leadership goes. A coach can rant and rave, kick and scream, but in the end its up to the players to step up. Jimmy Johnson was a great motivator, but the cowboys of the 90's also had great leadership(Aikman,Irvin,Moose,etc...). Hopefully guys like Romo, Witten, James, Ware,etc..., can step up and provide leadership for this team.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2038991 said:
Jimmy was known for Creating Crisis to keep the guys going and fired up.

However I recall that Emmitt, Troy or the Playmaker saying later that the crisis stuff starting getting old after awhile and just did not have the same power it did at the start. Said it started getting a little comical because he would have to stretch to come up with the crisis and it just was not working after a time.

And yet Jimmy got them to win 2 SB's back to back... rather convincingly.... and then Switzer comes in and we blow it big time against San Fran. That team needed what Jimmy had.

I still stick to my guns on this one.... if Jimmy were coach we win NFC championship a third straight year against the 49ers. We win the SB. We win a total of 4 in a row... ultimately.

But thats just me :mad: :D
 
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GimmeTheBall!;2039053 said:
I think that with Zack Thomas here he can be leader for the ENTIRE team.

As for Romo, he's not struck me as a genuine leader yet. Of course, he's relatively new to the starting position and is still developing his leadership skills.
I would think Witten and Barber could step into that position individually or in tandem in the interim or until Romo is up to speed.



LOL @ Zach leading the entire team. Like he did with the Dolphins right? rightttttttttttttt
 

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cowboyjoe;2038957 said:
Guys, i was watching the Wizard, Jimmy Johnson story, I missed the first 12 minutes, but I saw 2 key things, that maybe missing with cowboys now and why they seem flat and losing in december and playoffs;

The Cowboys won their first playoff game against the Packers, but then to Jimmy they seemed flat, even the newspapers were saying that who was going to win this big game, so jimmy wanted them to shift to higher gear, dominant win over packers, but big upcoming game against 49ers, jimmy wanted them to win, shift to higher gear, so jimmy said, when you have things going smoothly, sometimes you need to create a crisis, I think if your not careful; when things are going good, and you look around, like geting complacient, content with your wins, then all of a sudden, then you can go backwards, I felt our team was uptight, needed a spark, so I said we will win the ballgame in 3 inch bold headline letters to the newspapers;

he also talked about playmakers, this is what he said, remember now Jerry Jones said this team needs playmakers this year;
Showtime, Michael Irvin said, whom we all agree is a playmaker, Jimmy Johnson said, quickenss, speed, the thing ive always said, I want them to be playmakers, I want them to have quickeness to make play like emmitt smith to avoid tackle or quickenss of Russell Maryland to make a play,
When you tell someone he is a playmaker, keep telling them that, its engrained in them, they will make a play, knack to get every player to play at his peak, we know if it's a 60 minute ballgame, our playmakes will come through,and of course jimmy johnson had a big big offensive line to run over them. Atttack with defense, attack. THen, Jimmy would tell them your going to win, i told you so,

Like this what Jimmy said, and Michael Irvin refered too;;Was he tense in super bowl, like commander has with great battle, no ours was in san Francisco, I knew that, Micheal Irvin said, when he came in, difference in game would be turnovers, he didn?t say if we get turnovers, he said we will get turnovers, so micheal Irvin said you better believe what he said or your in trouble with Jimmy Johnson.

Were here now, ahhhhhhhhh, Kenny Norton said in 1st playoff game against Bears.ATTITUDE AND DESIRE TO WIN, BE THE BEST, NORTON GOT THAT FROM HIS DAD, DO THE COWBOYS NOW HAVE THAT DESIRE AND HEART!And believe their winners, like what Troy Aikman said, when they got Charles Haley, he showed up what it is to be a champion and what it takes,


remember we were winning up to the green bay game, then started going backwards, and we have done that even to my mind with parcells teams, remember we would win up to december then flat,;

so what do you think guys, are these some key things that Wade Phillips and guys like Tony Romo, Barber, T O, Newman, Roy Willilams, Witten, Ware, Ellis need to step up and become leaders and show the team what it takes, and kick *** on the players when they dont put forth the effort.

I think you may have missed JJ's 4 year tenure in Miami-in 2 of those years, they crashed and burned at the end. In his final year, they went from being AFC's best at 8-2 to finishing 9-7, winning a playoff game, and then getting destroyed by the Jags in the AFCDG.

Sure-I agree it was Marino's team, and both Jimmy and Dan may have clashed on offensive philosophy. However-like I said, they were 8-2 in his final year there before imploding thereafter. They even lost to the LOWLY J-E-T-S, TWICE, during this span.

BTW-I believe Big Bill used this same philosophy that Jimmy did here in Dallas-same result, we crashed and burned.

Oh yeah-we might want to change personnel a bit. Worked for the Giants-got rid of Luke Pettigout...BOOM! They went from one of the most penalized teams to the least. They got rid of Tiki...BOOM! They had locker room chemistry all of a sudden. Shockey got hurt...BOOM! Eli all of a sudden became a better QB. You get the point?
 

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You can not compare both eras. The 90's Cowboys had 4 to 5 surefire hall of Famers( Smith, Aikman, Irvin, Allen and or Woodson) and a case can be made for Johnston which were all home grown. And also imports like Haley.

Now we have one import in Owens who might get in the senior way. And have 1 home grown prospect (WARE).

Plus the core of the 90's were 1st rounders( Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Kevin smith, Alvin Harper, Maryland, Robert Jones, and Jeffcoat).2nd rounders like (Johnston, Norton, Woodson, Allen and 3rd round Erik Williams)
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2039028 said:
Think of this for a second.

What are the constants on this team from when Jimmy left until Now.

Who are the people that are still here through that time.

The people in the front office and a strength coach.

Now maybe it is a bit of a conspiracy theory here but you have to admit it is odd that we have those same people yet different players and other coaches...yet sill have trouble getting into and winning the playoffs.

Just something to think about.
The strength coach(Mike Woicik) left when Switzer was the coach, he ended up with New England and has about six super bowl rings now.
 

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First to comment about jimmy with the dolphins, it wasnt so much marino that jimmy had clash with, it was Don Shula; thats the big problem in miami still, don shula has some stock in the team and still has some say;

what i heard, that when jimmy went to miami, right off he wanted to trade marino and shula wouldnt let him, jimmy was going to use marion in a big huge trade like he did with hershel walker;

back to comparisons with the 90's cowboys and then now cowboys, im not so much trying to compare the players with players now, what i am trying to do is show, they were losers when jimmy came in, he cleaned house, instilled quickness and speed, and YOU WILL WIN, YOU WILL GET TURNOVERS IN THEIR FIRST SUPERBOWL WITH BUFFALO AND THEY DID,

again he didnt sit on a 13 record, when they won their title like wade phillips still sits and says, we did win a playoff game, because we won the divisioin title, we got a bye, so we did win a playoff game, which is BULL!

again what im trying to show is this, he pushed their buttons, whatever way he saw fit, he didnt sit on a 13 game winning spree and say, well we lost because we went on the road, in december, and we did lose to a team that went all the way

jimmy didnt settle for second best, nor did he ; he said this;
you have to take a chance, dutch davis said he gave us the ability to take a risk, to go to the superbowl, then jimmy said, you cant be afraid to fail, to me, its a bigger sin not to take chance, most coaches are conservative, but to me, then to go out and be short, so they fail , then i believe you should try, you might be short at the end, but better to try and you know you gave it all you got. So Dallas on a big play, in the san frans game in candlestick, with the big slant to harper, jimmy went for the win with slant to harper. You attack, you dont sit back and let the team attack you;

so, thats what im saying, and i agree with you guys about the leaders on this team, they have to step up, but the head coach has to step up too, and attack, not sit back on a 13 game winning;

like im begging to wonder what the buffalo fans said is true, wade phillips can get you there, with his style of defense, but he like sits on that once he gets to the playoffs, and wade phillips lost all of his playoff games as a head coach

finally, dont forget an old saying is the team takes on the personality of the head coach, and they believed in jimmy and they won;, thats what im trying to point to maybe why we lost in december and the playoff game,

im sure you all saw how passive the offensive line was, why? were they passsive, and why did romo have to tell them, lets go, lets go, and they seemed to be dragging their feet, why? remember now, barber had no holes in the second half to run through, why,

i agree that the giants are a good defensive team, but still, we had a huge offensive line too, they just werent blocking in 2nd half, again i point to, what was found out, in december, wade phillips didnt have his team work out in pads at all in december, why,

its like jimmy johnson said, fatigue makes cowards of u, to me, seemed like the offensive line was tired in 2nd half, why, whose fault was that, whose fault was it that the offensive line wasnt fatigued, and the big drops by wrs afteer T O went out, why? was it due to lack of coaching and getting and keeping the players in shape in december? why?
 
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