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Chocolate Lab;1057512 said:
Please forgive me for my misgivings, Superpunk. :cool: You should email the DMN and correct their ignorance, as this report is labeled "Police Report" on their front page:

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/s/dws/img/09-06/0927toreport2.pdf

And WV, thanks to you too for the definition of "accuse". I wasn't sure what that word meant. :cool:

No forgiveness is necessary. What you have is the original, unofficial narrative, that everyone still runs with (it's mroe fun) even though a revision (official report) has been issued, that contains none of the speculative information the unofficial narrative contains.
 

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braw;1057521 said:
Why was the NARRATIVE redacted?

Because we are playing semantics with narrative and what many refer to as an initial report. Not the final report. Dallas sports writers did not break the story it was a beat reporter based on the narrative from the responding officers.
 

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Doomsday101;1057515 said:
Fine!!!! If it was not in the police NARRATIVE this would not be an issue. it was however in it and that is what brought this about. Feel better?

I didn't feel too terrible in the first place. I do, however appreciate your concern. I know how deeply you care for me. :eek:

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superpunk;1057530 said:
No forgiveness is necessary. What you have is the original, unofficial narrative, that everyone still runs with (it's mroe fun) even though a revision (official report) has been issued, that contains none of the speculative information the unofficial narrative contains.
I'm not going for any "fun" angle. It's on the front page of a major newspaper 24 hours after the fact. I assume they are comfortable with what it says.

And isn't it standard procedure to redact some items in suspected attempted suicide cases to protect the identity of the person? At least, that's what I've read.
 

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superpunk;1057530 said:
No forgiveness is necessary. What you have is the original, unofficial narrative, that everyone still runs with (it's mroe fun) even though a revision (official report) has been issued, that contains none of the speculative information the unofficial narrative contains.

And we have seen the media respond to that as well. With papers telling Owens side of the story with a front page articals, they are not hiding this. What would be unfair is to not report that or to bury it in the back pages.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1057543 said:
I'm not going for any "fun" angle. It's on the front page of a major newspaper 24 hours after the fact. I assume they are comfortable with what it says.

And isn't it standard procedure to redact some items in suspected attempted suicide cases to protect the identity of the person? At least, that's what I've read.

I don't have any idea. I know I read something from a police officer that says often the initial report is filled with speculation, and assumptions from the officer. It was a very interesting post, where if the officer has asked someone a question a few times, and cannot get a sufficient answer, if they're too excited, he will fill in what he thinks is going on.

It's entirely possible a hysterical woman, pills, and an unresponsive Owens led them to the "attempted suicide" angle.
 

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superpunk;1057534 said:
I didn't feel too terrible in the first place. I do, however appreciate your concern. I know how deeply you care for me. :eek:

:laugh1:

Anytime.:laugh2: Your making this out as if they were out to get him and I don't think that is the case. A beat reporter got the intial information based on the police who asked TO did you try to harm yourself he responded yes. So the story became TO tried to kill himself. Since then they have came out with the same front page news with TO saying that was not the case and telling his side of what happened I also saw they reported on the lastest report from the police where all they did was black out the lines of cause and reason for the 911 call.
 

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Doomsday101;1057544 said:
And we have seen the media respond to that as well. With papers telling Owens side of the story with a front page articals, they are not hiding this. What would be unfair is to not report that or to bury it in the back pages.

Actually, I think it would be unfair to continue calling it a police report, when it's not. But hey, who's expecting them to be responsible and precise?
 

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Doomsday101;1057552 said:
Anytime. Your making this out as if they were out to get him and I don't think that is the case.

I am? Here I thought I was just miffed because they keep calling this unofficial narrative a police report.

Thanks for clearing THAT up for me.
 

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superpunk;1057556 said:
Actually, I think it would be unfair to continue calling it a police report, when it's not. But hey, who's expecting them to be responsible and precise?

The police wrote it up as published the police are not recanting that. I agree it was the intial or narrative what ever you want to call it and not the final report
 

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WV Cowboy;1057046 said:
If this had been a different athlete, a different WR in the league, the media coverage would have been very different.

Based on the facts,and disregarding the speculation it would read something like this:

DALLAS(AP) - Tuesday evening Dallas Cowboys WR Joe Blow was taken to the hospital after suffering an allergic reaction to pain meds and supplements. He was kept overnight for precautionary observation and was released Wednesday. He returned to Valley Ranch and practiced Wednesday afternoon.

Further NFL news worth mentioning, Chris Simms is recovering from having his spleen removed, Bengals players arrested now up to 6 since last season, Jeremey Shockey throws his coach under the bus, and Big Ben is now known as Little Ben.

My point is, how many other NFL players have gone to the hospital since training camp started? For personal reasons.

How many of those hospital visits have become NATIONAL EVENTS !!

Do not tell me that if this had been Mr. Teflon, Brett Favre, that the spin would not have been more sympathetic. Give me a break. For one it was TO. For two it was the Dallas Cowboys. Nothing stirs up the media like those two entities. Good or Bad. Preferably bad if the media had its choice. Being someone who has watched most if not all of the press conferences from VR this year and seeing how the media has twisted and spun stories where there really was no story. Makes me wonder, what other things concerning TO have been twisted or spun for the benefit of the media. If you look at BP and TO live press conferences yesterday in their entirety. And then watch how the stories were depicted on EPSN, you could see a distinct difference. Note to EPSN...report the story don't fabricate a story.

Not so long ago a basketball player (I think Tom Gugliotta) had a very similar reaction while mixing pain medications and supplements. It was pretty much a non story. In fact I bet most don't even remember it. This isn't uncommon. The difference I guess is TO responses to the EMT's question and the empty bottle. But they should have known that they were talking to a man out of his sorts. Here's an idea...Chicken Little....Do a bit more investigating before running with it.

Good to know that the Boys are so loved that on a slow news day we are chosen to get ratings. Come on ESPN, you can do better. Don't H8 Investigate!!!

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SultanOfSix;1057381 said:
As far as T.O. is concerned, his media whoreship is a creation of the media itself. T.O. has been partially responsible for the attention, but the fact that the media overemphasizes every aspect of his life, shows that they are becoming more and more responsible for his prostitution. They are his pimp, and they proved their agenda as well as their stupidity yesterday with their own circus creation.


Wonderful post and spot on.

For those that espouse TO is responsible for that circus, you are way off base IMO. I understand why you may feel that way....TO stands on star, creates attention, yada yada yada. I'll give you that. Obviously.

However TO did not ask for hours of almost constant news coverage. You cannot really believe having an adverse reaction to a hypnotic...hydrocodone and likely something for nausea like compazine, etc....is the same as standing on the star. TO did not call 911 nor obviously understand what he was saying much less orchestrate the publicity.

If you want to blame him for taking too many pills I would understand but completely disagree with you. Many people on narcotics and other mind altering medications often forget how many pills they've taken or when they take them. Many patients think if one or two is good then three or four is better as well. They get impaired and it can mushroom from there. It's not uncommon for patients to get impaired.

As far as been critical of his female friend, I can understand if one thinks she created or added to the drama. However, under the circumstances of finding someone close not being themselves while on medication, it's entirely reasonable and even responsible to worry about an overdose whether intentional or not.

One could make a case that she would have been negligent even to a criminal level if the outcome were negative and she did not call 911.

Persons in a situation like that are often going to answer questions impulsively and incorrectly. It's an emotionally charged situation. Interviews change over time and from one interviewer to another. That's normal.

If she stated he were 'depressed', she could have simply meant he was depressed over the situation with his son on top of being injured, on medicine known to be a depressant, and tired of the constant negative 'normal' drauma. It's highly likely someone asked her if he was depressed and/or suicidal rather than her offering that information spontaneously.

A policeman or other official is trained to respond to that trigger. It wouldn't matter to him if he was normally depressed over normal situational problems that day/week or severly clinically depressed for weeks/years.

The officers on the scene are responsible for discerning if the person is a danger to himself and/or others; and has a crime been committed. They are not responsible for conducting a psychological interview. And police notes are often not completely an entirely accurate interpretation of all events.

If they get an answer to the question 'did you try to hurt yourself' in the affirmative they are forced to make sure that person is evaluated by a professional. They cannot make a judgment call under those circumstances that the person may or may not understand what they are responding to. They cannot write it off.

If TO were suidicidal he would have been kept longer even over his objections.

The media took this and ran with it for their gain and at TO's expense.

Periodic updates of news is responsible and fair. TO is newsworthy. But hours of speculation and coverage is just entertainment and not news.
 

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jobberone;1057696 said:
Wonderful post and spot on.

For those that espouse TO is responsible for that circus, you are way off base IMO. I understand why you may feel that way....TO stands on star, creates attention, yada yada yada. I'll give you that. Obviously.

However TO did not ask for hours of almost constant news coverage. You cannot really believe having an adverse reaction to a hypnotic...hydrocodone and likely something for nausea like compazine, etc....is the same as standing on the star. TO did not call 911 nor obviously understand what he was saying much less orchestrate the publicity.

If you want to blame him for taking too many pills I would understand but completely disagree with you. Many people on narcotics and other mind altering medications often forget how many pills they've taken or when they take them. Many patients think if one or two is good then three or four is better as well. They get impaired and it can mushroom from there. It's not uncommon for patients to get impaired.

As far as been critical of his female friend, I can understand if one thinks she created or added to the drama. However, under the circumstances of finding someone close not being themselves while on medication, it's entirely reasonable and even responsible to worry about an overdose whether intentional or not.

One could make a case that she would have been negligent even to a criminal level if the outcome were negative and she did not call 911.

Persons in a situation like that are often going to answer questions impulsively and incorrectly. It's an emotionally charged situation. Interviews change over time and from one interviewer to another. That's normal.

If she stated he were 'depressed', she could have simply meant he was depressed over the situation with his son on top of being injured, on medicine known to be a depressant, and tired of the constant negative 'normal' drauma. It's highly likely someone asked her if he was depressed and/or suicidal rather than her offering that information spontaneously.

A policeman or other official is trained to respond to that trigger. It wouldn't matter to him if he was normally depressed over normal situational problems that day/week or severly clinically depressed for weeks/years.

The officers on the scene are responsible for discerning if the person is a danger to himself and/or others; and has a crime been committed. They are not responsible for conducting a psychological interview. And police notes are often not completely an entirely accurate interpretation of all events.

If they get an answer to the question 'did you try to hurt yourself' in the affirmative they are forced to make sure that person is evaluated by a professional. They cannot make a judgment call under those circumstances that the person may or may not understand what they are responding to. They cannot write it off.

If TO were suidicidal he would have been kept longer even over his objections.

The media took this and ran with it for their gain and at TO's expense.

Periodic updates of news is responsible and fair. TO is newsworthy. But hours of speculation and coverage is just entertainment and not news.


Very well stated.....the intelligence of Cowboy fans once again shines through.
 

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sf49rh8r;1057716 said:
Very well stated.....the intelligence of Cowboy fans once again shines through.

Thank you for the kind words sir.

Time to put this puppy to bed, too. We do have a game this week.
 

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jobberone;1057736 said:
Thank you for the kind words sir.

Time to put this puppy to bed, too. We do have a game this week.

Very good idea, but media will not let it die that fast.

It will be all over again on Sunday.
 

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WV Cowboy;1057830 said:
Very good idea, but media will not let it die that fast.

It will be all over again on Sunday.

I would be very surprised if it quietened down either WV. At least it is not non-stop.
 
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