Hall of Fame Cowboys QB Roger Staubach would take Johnny Manziel No. 1 in draft

[Vinnie2u]

Build the trenches.. won't matter who the qb is then draft a Murray or MCarron

 

[jnday]

You are a shrewd one.....

Yeah, you caught him when he is having a good day. He is shrewd when he is in a good mood. The rest of the time....he is not so nice.

 

[jnday]

Not necessarily. The Texans could simply take the best player on their board and then wait till the 2nd round to take a QB. Honestly, if they don't really feel as if the value is there at QB in the 1st round, they could wait and take a QB with 33. I could see that happening. I see no way in which the Texans take Manziel with the 1st overall pick in this draft.

I have read s couple of articles suggesting that the Texans may wait until the second to draft a QB due to the value not being there with the first pick.

 

[Deep_South]

I did not say there would be no way. I said I see no way they would take him 1st overall.

OK, sorry about the misunderstanding. But, I would bet something substantial that Manziel won't be available at 33.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have read s couple of articles suggesting that the Texans may wait until the second to draft a QB due to the value not being there with the first pick.

I have a feeling Manziel isn't O'Brien's style of QB. He seems like he wants the prototype tall pocket QB like Brady. So the player may be talented enough, but he may just not fit the HC's offense.

Funny thing is, Manziel would have been much better suited to Kubiak's offense with all the bootlegs and rollouts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have read s couple of articles suggesting that the Texans may wait until the second to draft a QB due to the value not being there with the first pick.

I would not be surprised to see them do that either. I mean, I know that a lot of people have crazy love for Manziel or whomever but honestly, I just don't see a QB in this draft that is a sure thing type player like Luck. I see a couple of guys that would be nice mid to late round 1st rounders and a bunch of guys who would be solid 2nd through 4th round picks.

Considering what has happened in the past with QBs in Houston, I think it might be dangerous for a GM to spend the 1st overall pick on a QB that they are not 100% sold on. It could be Carr part 2. That's a really risky move for their GM if he's not all in on any of these QBs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, sorry about the misunderstanding. But, I would bet something substantial that Manziel won't be available at 33.

He may not be but they might be able to trade down or they might have Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel and Carr all pretty close in how they are rated on their board. If that's the case, one or more of those guys will be there at 33 IMO, or they can use a lower 1st round pick to get a QB if they trade down, assuming they like one enough.

 

[Redball Express]

Manziel is not a finished product IMO. He has some nice skills but his arm is not major league, it's adequate when he uses good footwork and mechanics. He throws off the back of his foot way to much, he snaps off throws instead of following through too much and he doesn't really throw over the top. That's a bit of a concern because he's not very tall to begin with. He also doesn't slide in the pocket. He breaks the pocket and that's not good in the NFL IMO. All of these things worked at ATM but they won't in the NFL. Guys will track him down on Sundays and he won't be able to run away from people like he did in the NFL. He will have to learn to throw from a tighter pocket in the NFL and I he won't be able to throw off his back foot. Guys just break way to quickly on the ball in the NFL. This is not to say that he won't be successful but at this point, he's not a guy who can step in and be the starter for an NFL team IMO. He needs work.

Love to watch him play.

He and Romo are so alike..

mobile, strong arm and can create on the fly.

But like Romo, he will probably take another 3-4 years to really develop him in the NFL.

Frankly, I haven't seen him enough in games to see what happens to him when things don't go well.

How will he recover or will he fold under the pressure.?

Just not enough tape on this guy to pay him the big bucks I think.

Big unknown but some team will sink a bungle in taking him.

Hope it's not us.

 

[Tass]

I guess that's why Roger isn't sitting in a GM's office somewhere.

(Sorry if that's been said already...I didn't read the entire thread.)

 

[KB1122]

I would not be surprised to see them do that either. I mean, I know that a lot of people have crazy love for Manziel or whomever but honestly, I just don't see a QB in this draft that is a sure thing type player like Luck. I see a couple of guys that would be nice mid to late round 1st rounders and a bunch of guys who would be solid 2nd through 4th round picks.

Considering what has happened in the past with QBs in Houston, I think it might be dangerous for a GM to spend the 1st overall pick on a QB that they are not 100% sold on. It could be Carr part 2. That's a really risky move for their GM if he's not all in on any of these QBs.

What's the other option, though? Hope on a second or third rounder? Build the defense and hope Yates or Keenum develop? Go on the Jason-Campbell-veteran-free-agent carousel? I think that if you are in the top 5 and you don't have a quarterback, you need to use the pick on a quarterback. Unless you plan on sucking your way into next year's top 5. Which you might.

 

[KB1122]

and that is part of what bothers me...he spent a lot of time out of the pocket in college and he made that work well for him...he won't have that in the NFL, the speed is too great...thus, if he can't learn to do well in the pocket, then he isn't an NFL QB...

Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Luck, and Alex Smith are all running quarterbacks. And that's half the playoff quarterbacks last year. Griffin was in the playoffs the year before. The last two NFC champions have had running quarterbacks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What's the other option, though? Hope on a second or third rounder? Build the defense and hope Yates or Keenum develop? Go on the Jason-Campbell-veteran-free-agent carousel? I think that if you are in the top 5 and you don't have a quarterback, you need to use the pick on a quarterback. Unless you plan on sucking your way into next year's top 5. Which you might.

The other option is as I've already explained. Take another QB later in the draft and develop him. Take the best player on your board with the 1st pick. The Texans have options.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Luck, and Alex Smith are all running quarterbacks. And that's half the playoff quarterbacks last year. Griffin was in the playoffs the year before. The last two NFC champions have had running quarterbacks.

No. Wilson is a guy who extends plays but he's not a running QB. He could be but he's not. He's always looking to throw down field off the scramble. Kaepernick is being taught to learn this but the jury is still somewhat out there. Newton is 6'5" 245 lbs. He is big enough and strong enough to be able to take the pounding in the NFL but, if you look at his numbers, he's also developing into a passing QB. His rushing yards, attempts and rushing TDs are all down. He's learning. Luck is not a running QB at all. He can but he isn't. He's a pocket QB with exceptional mobility. Smith is like Wilson. He runs to extend plays and Griffin is already broken.

 

[dillinger319]

Build the trenches.. won't matter who the qb is then draft a Murray or MCarron

Murray.. I watched his Gruden bit and he looked great.

 

[bayeslife]

He must be getting dementia or something.