Hall of Fame Cowboys QB Roger Staubach would take Johnny Manziel No. 1 in draft

[Zordon]

Some will turn to Houston but if Jonny Football is a bust then it will be short lived. According to ESPN poll most think Houston should take Clowney even a vast majority here in Texas. Not all Houston fans would be happy with Manziel if he is selected

If he wins, all will be forgiven and he'll become a cult hero here in the state. I am high on him and I don't think the Texans are very far from turning things around so obviously I see success in his future if they draft him. When that success comes, look out. There are disgruntled Cowboys fans for the taking, native Texans who don't really follow Pro football but wouldn't mind rooting for a fellow native Texan, there is the Aggies Cult that will follow him to Houston, and there is the sub 18 yr old crowd that will grow up idolizing him and love everything about his demeanor/swagger. Meanwhile in Dallas.....well you know.

 

[Doomsday101]

If he wins, all will be forgiven and he'll become a cult hero here in the state. I am high on him and I don't think the Texans are very far from turning things around so obviously I see success in his future if they draft him. When that success comes, look out. There are disgruntled Cowboys fans for the taking, native Texans who don't really follow Pro football but wouldn't mind rooting for a fellow native Texan, there is the Aggies Cult that will follow him to Houston, and there is the sub 18 yr old crowd that will grow up idolizing him and love everything about his demeanor/swagger. Meanwhile in Dallas.....well you know.

and there were people who felt the same of Vince Young but this is not college football. You lose and they will boo you be it Johnny Football or Johnny Unitas. I'm born and raised in Texas still living here to this day and Johnny football is just another kid coming out of college, if you want to buy into the hype so be it but hype is short lived if he does not meet the expectations.

 

[Zordon]

and there were people who felt the same of Vince Young but this is not college football. You lose and they will boo you be it Johnny Football or Johnny Unitas. I'm born and raised in Texas still living here to this day and Johnny football is just another kid coming out of college, if you want to buy into the hype so be it but hype is short lived if he does not meet the expectations.

Of course, I'm not arguing that. I already said I'm higher on him than you are. But you have to AT LEAST admit the potential is there for a big shift considering his background in the state.

 

[Doomsday101]

Manziel also has shown a tendency to carry the ball one-handed down by his waist when scrambling and moving around in the pocket to evade a pass rusher; he has the potential to be a fumble machine in the NFL. Fans will claim that tendency can be coached out of him, but I’m not so sure. When a player has done things a certain way for that long, like Tebow’s throwing motion, its very difficult to get them to break the habit. He’s a better natural passer than Tebow or Vince Young which gives him a better chance to succeed, but a large part of what made him thrilling to watch in college will make him frustrating to root for in the NFL. He’s not just a gunslinger, he’s reckless. Running in circles, turning his back on defenders, and attempting off balance passes across his body worked in college, but will get him and his team killed at the next level.

I love that he’s aggressive and willing to take chances, but there is a fine line between aggressive and stupid that Manziel crosses nearly every game. Name a successful NFL quarterback that plays a similar style to Manziel? Maybe he’ll break the mold, but more likely he’ll have to adapt his style to survive in the NFL. The question then becomes, is he capable of or mature enough to adapt? He’s a quarterback that seems to try for a home run on every single play. Sometimes checking it down to the running back for a three yard gain is the right play. Sometimes taking the open underneath route and punting to give the defense field position, instead of forcing a pass down field into double coverage on 3rd and long is the right play. Manziel plays every play like it’s 4th and 10 with under two minutes remaining in the fourth quarter which makes him fun to watch, but can also make him a liability on the field.

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/01/09/the-texans-should-pass-on-johnny-manziel/

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course, I'm not arguing that. I already said I'm higher on him than you are. But you have to AT LEAST admit the potential is there for a big shift considering his background in the state.

I admit some fans will turn to Houston. Great I don't care for those fans because true fans stay loyal to their team for those who will turn and run because of Johnny Football all I can say is BYE don't let the door hit you on the way out.

However if Dallas starts winning those same idiots will come back and claim they have always been Cowboy fans.

 

[DallasEast]

If he wins, all will be forgiven and he'll become a cult hero here in the state. I am high on him and I don't think the Texans are very far from turning things around so obviously I see success in his future if they draft him. When that success comes, look out. There are disgruntled Cowboys fans for the taking, native Texans who don't really follow Pro football but wouldn't mind rooting for a fellow native Texan, there is the Aggies Cult that will follow him to Houston, and there is the sub 18 yr old crowd that will grow up idolizing him and love everything about his demeanor/swagger. Meanwhile in Dallas.....well you know.

Something cannot be taken when there aren't any attachments to hold it down. Disgruntled fans will be for the taking, but not disgruntled Cowboys fans.

Disgruntled Cowboys fans will curse Jones' name and hope he takes a long walk off a short cliff. They aren't going anywhere. On the other hand, disgruntled fans are like strays. Strays will gobble up any scraps they find around the neighborhood, but they don't belong to anyone in particular. You just happen to see them hanging around whenever they're enjoying their latest meal.

My apologies. Just wanted to point out the difference.

 

[calicowboy54]

I'm not so sure that he isn't right in that assessment... (Please! No disrespect intended.) Tony has had his failures and everyone like to knock on him but Tony isn't the reason we haven't gone deep in the playoffs. Yes, he has thrown int's but that is after he has put us in a position to win. It wasn't Tony that gave up on routes (cough! Austin and Craytonx2) it wan't Romo who dropped sure touchdowns (again Crayton - 1 in the endzone). It wasn't Romo who couldn't stop the other team even once. It wasn't Romo who gave up sack after sack (even tho he was the recipient of them). It wan't Romo who couldn't block the dlinemen to allow a rushing game. It wasn't Romo who couldn't run the ball in the endzone from the 1" line. Yes, Romo has thrown untimely interceptions but he has often thrown them while trying to overcome the rest of the teams definciencies. If you give Romo the team that either Staubach or Aikman has and I would be willing to bet my house that Romo wins multiple Superbowls. Call me a Romo apologist if you want but I think we win with him in spite of the team. Without him we suck horribly.

Thank you finally someone with a Brain.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I will not argue with Roger I just will not agree with him on Johnny football.

It's not so much the physical make up for me. It's more the other stuff. I mean, I do have concerns about the way he plays and how that will translate into the NFL but for me, it's more about being the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Troy Aikman had it all physically but that wasn't enough. He had to have it mentally and he had to have the type of unselfishness, combined with leadership qualities that allowed for Emmitt and Michael to take a lot of the limelight, yet still be a strong enough leader to step in when he had to and will the team. Say what you want about Romo and there is plenty who would, and perhaps with reason, but he is as good a human being as you can ask for in the NFL. He has a lot of talent and he has some mental toughness as well. He has to, he would not survive in Dallas otherwise. Does Manziel have that same kind of stuff? I'm not sure he does.

Let me put it this way, if Manziel had the same kind of personal attributes and mental make up as Roger did, in that same body he has now, I would take Manziel 1st overall as well. Unfortunately, it's not enough to just have physical talent or be tough enough or smart enough or just plain good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL. In Dallas, you have to be even more then that because that's what Dallas demands out of their QBs. It's not an easy place to be a QB for sure. In fact, I think it's probably the hardest job in all of sports but that's the deal. If you are good enough, it's also the best job in all of sports IMO.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not so sure that he isn't right in that assessment... (Please! No disrespect intended.) Tony has had his failures and everyone like to knock on him but Tony isn't the reason we haven't gone deep in the playoffs. Yes, he has thrown int's but that is after he has put us in a position to win. It wasn't Tony that gave up on routes (cough! Austin and Craytonx2) it wan't Romo who dropped sure touchdowns (again Crayton - 1 in the endzone). It wasn't Romo who couldn't stop the other team even once. It wasn't Romo who gave up sack after sack (even tho he was the recipient of them). It wan't Romo who couldn't block the dlinemen to allow a rushing game. It wasn't Romo who couldn't run the ball in the endzone from the 1" line. Yes, Romo has thrown untimely interceptions but he has often thrown them while trying to overcome the rest of the teams definciencies. If you give Romo the team that either Staubach or Aikman has and I would be willing to bet my house that Romo wins multiple Superbowls. Call me a Romo apologist if you want but I think we win with him in spite of the team. Without him we suck horribly.

Nicely done.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not so sure that he isn't right in that assessment... (Please! No disrespect intended.) Tony has had his failures and everyone like to knock on him but Tony isn't the reason we haven't gone deep in the playoffs. Yes, he has thrown int's but that is after he has put us in a position to win. It wasn't Tony that gave up on routes (cough! Austin and Craytonx2) it wan't Romo who dropped sure touchdowns (again Crayton - 1 in the endzone). It wasn't Romo who couldn't stop the other team even once. It wasn't Romo who gave up sack after sack (even tho he was the recipient of them). It wan't Romo who couldn't block the dlinemen to allow a rushing game. It wasn't Romo who couldn't run the ball in the endzone from the 1" line. Yes, Romo has thrown untimely interceptions but he has often thrown them while trying to overcome the rest of the teams definciencies. If you give Romo the team that either Staubach or Aikman has and I would be willing to bet my house that Romo wins multiple Superbowls. Call me a Romo apologist if you want but I think we win with him in spite of the team. Without him we suck horribly.

I don't believe Romo is going to win anything here in Dallas. The team is not good enough and by the time it is good enough, if that does happen at all, he's going to be too old or to injured. I think we, as fans, are going to look back on these last years and ask ourselves why in the world the team spent so much money on him when we never had enough cap or enough talent to win.

JMO

 

[dstovall5]

If he goes to Houston, the Cowboys will lose a generation of fans in this state.

Well, then they weren't really "fans" to begin with, now were they?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, then they weren't really "fans" to begin with, now were they?

I don't really agree with that. I mean, I can certainly understand people sticking to their team and I would never, ever speak negatively about that. However, there is also a point you can reach as a fan where you just come to a cross road and maybe you decide to follow another team.

It's probably not what I would do but I can understand it happening.

 

[Fredd]

Good for you. I can understand your position, and you are not one of the posters that I was referring to.

Not sure if you were talking about me, but I can agree almost entirely with Heelboy....I have not been shy in regards to me not wanting Manziel in Dallas...that is because of a few things.
1) I don't believe he projects to the NFL, I see him having a good year and then getting whacked like RGKnee using a running style and then he is a wasted pick. If he decides to stay in the pocket, then we have drafted a QB that is not accustomed to being the in pocket and then he becomes a project. You don't use a first round pick on a project.
2) I don't like the idea of the QB controversy that this would immediately create. During the draft, it would take on it's own story-line and ESPN would have it scrolling across the bottom of the screen for a week...Tony doesn't deserve that nonsense. What Tony does deserve is a better defense and using the largest resource that they have in the draft to take a back-up when they have 3 QB's with NFL experience is ludicrous to me. If we didn't have a front-line QB, my opinion would be different without a doubt, but we do have one.
3) All of the nice moves that the FO has made this off season would be thrown out the window if they took any QB in the first round.
4) the JFB manta is one thing that I REALLY can't stand. He didn't make it up, but this team is already a circus, what do you think JCFB would do? Keep in mind, he hasn't even been drafted and everyone calling him "Johnny Football" needs to remember that he is Johnny College Football. Just imagine what opposing defenses will do to remove that JFB moniker from him. He has earned nothing in the NFL.

I actually think this kid is talented, and I do wish him the best (truly), but there are SO many reason to not take him if he is there. I WOULD hate the pick, and then after the dust settled, since he would be wearing the star, he is then Cowboys family. Even Ratliff was Cowboy family to me until he wasn't. I want a better team, Manziel does not make us better.

 

[jobberone]

Hall of Fame Cowboys QB Roger Staubach would take Johnny Manziel No. 1 in draft

SportsDayDFW.com SportsDayDFW.com The Dallas Morning News
Published: 09 April 2014 10:39 AM
Updated: 09 April 2014 11:08 AM

Roger Staubach, the four-time Super Bowl quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys and Pro Football Hall of Famer, likes what he sees in Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel. So much so, that he would take Johnny Manziel over Jadaveon Clowney if he had the No. 1 pick in the draft and had to make a decision between the two.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...-would-take-johnny-manziel-no.-1-in-draft.ece
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Alright.

Who is going to argue with Roger?

Interesting.

 

[casmith07]

I'm not so sure that he isn't right in that assessment... (Please! No disrespect intended.) Tony has had his failures and everyone like to knock on him but Tony isn't the reason we haven't gone deep in the playoffs. Yes, he has thrown int's but that is after he has put us in a position to win. It wasn't Tony that gave up on routes (cough! Austin and Craytonx2) it wan't Romo who dropped sure touchdowns (again Crayton - 1 in the endzone). It wasn't Romo who couldn't stop the other team even once. It wasn't Romo who gave up sack after sack (even tho he was the recipient of them). It wan't Romo who couldn't block the dlinemen to allow a rushing game. It wasn't Romo who couldn't run the ball in the endzone from the 1" line. Yes, Romo has thrown untimely interceptions but he has often thrown them while trying to overcome the rest of the teams definciencies. If you give Romo the team that either Staubach or Aikman has and I would be willing to bet my house that Romo wins multiple Superbowls. Call me a Romo apologist if you want but I think we win with him in spite of the team. Without him we suck horribly.

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[casmith07]

Almost all of the QBs are polarizing this year. A lot of the opinions out there are diametrically opposed. Never seen anything like it.

Which probably means all of them are not that good.

 

[dstovall5]

I don't really agree with that. I mean, I can certainly understand people sticking to their team and I would never, ever speak negatively about that. However, there is also a point you can reach as a fan where you just come to a cross road and maybe you decide to follow another team.

It's probably not what I would do but I can understand it happening.

I understand that after a certain point in time there comes a time when you say, "enough is enough", but .... If the REASON you give up your fandom to a particular team is because another team drafted a certain player, then in my opinion you really weren't a fan in the first place. I think the same applies to band wagon fans as well, if you jump ship every other year to the top team, then I honestly don't see how you're a "fan" of a particular team. They may be a fan of the sport, but they're not a fan of that team. That's just my opinion though.

Funny thing about the "band wagon fans" as well. I got a buddy who 'was' a Cowboy fan, but after the 2012 season when the Texans went 12-4 he decided he was going to "give up" on the Cowboys and start watching the Texans. Before the 2013 season he went full on Texans mode decking himself out with new Texans gear, and he also bought a Texans Flag to fly during their games. It was hilarious, when week 14 rolled up last year he already had his Cowboy flag back up, he was "coming back". I could do nothing but laugh, he sure did pick a bad year to root for the Texans.

*Note* - I'm not saying it's wrong, I just simply don't understand it is all.

 

[burmafrd]

If Vick had come here I would have stopped rooting for the Boys until he was gone.

 

[Fredd]

If Vick had come here I would have stopped rooting for the Boys until he was gone.

because of the dog stuff or other reason(s)? just curious

 

[big dog cowboy]

1) I don't believe he projects to the NFL

His mechanics were broken down on ESPN the other day. I couldn't believe how bad he was and the case was made he isn't more than a 3rd round prospect. While he is probably fixable (for the most part) when it comes to crunch time the question would be will he resort back to his old ways.