Hall of Fame Cowboys QB Roger Staubach would take Johnny Manziel No. 1 in draft

[Fredd]

His mechanics were broken down on ESPN the other day. I couldn't believe how bad he was and the case was made he isn't more than a 3rd round prospect. While he is probably fixable (for the most part) when it comes to crunch time the question would be will he resort back to his old ways.

and that is part of what bothers me...he spent a lot of time out of the pocket in college and he made that work well for him...he won't have that in the NFL, the speed is too great...thus, if he can't learn to do well in the pocket, then he isn't an NFL QB...

 

[LOBO7]

His mechanics were broken down on ESPN the other day. I couldn't believe how bad he was and the case was made he isn't more than a 3rd round prospect. While he is probably fixable (for the most part) when it comes to crunch time the question would be will he resort back to his old ways.

resort back to winning?

 

[theSHOW]

If he wins, all will be forgiven and he'll become a cult hero here in the state. I am high on him and I don't think the Texans are very far from turning things around so obviously I see success in his future if they draft him. When that success comes, look out. There are disgruntled Cowboys fans for the taking, native Texans who don't really follow Pro football but wouldn't mind rooting for a fellow native Texan, there is the Aggies Cult that will follow him to Houston, and there is the sub 18 yr old crowd that will grow up idolizing him and love everything about his demeanor/swagger. Meanwhile in Dallas.....well you know.

You have made mention of this a few times. Who cares? If anybody wants to follow the team they can. In fact some of the whiners I hope do leave.

 

[Zordon]

Well, then they weren't really "fans" to begin with, now were they?

I'm not only referring to disgruntled Cowboys fans, I'm referring more to young fans in the state. There is nothing endearing about the Cowboys to young fans. They play soft, they lose in embarrassing fashion 5 times a year, they have a meddling owner, and a QB that is the butt of all jokes. Young fans will be riding that Manziel wave to Houston. If Jerry is a true businessman, which we all give him credit for, then he should be concerned about the 15-25 yr old demographic choosing an in-state competitor.

 

[Brooksey]

His mechanics were broken down on ESPN the other day. I couldn't believe how bad he was and the case was made he isn't more than a 3rd round prospect. While he is probably fixable (for the most part) when it comes to crunch time the question would be will he resort back to his old ways.

What part of the mechanics? The pin point accuracy or the 4.5 speed?

 

[jnday]

Not sure if you were talking about me, but I can agree almost entirely with Heelboy....I have not been shy in regards to me not wanting Manziel in Dallas...that is because of a few things.
1) I don't believe he projects to the NFL, I see him having a good year and then getting whacked like RGKnee using a running style and then he is a wasted pick. If he decides to stay in the pocket, then we have drafted a QB that is not accustomed to being the in pocket and then he becomes a project. You don't use a first round pick on a project.
2) I don't like the idea of the QB controversy that this would immediately create. During the draft, it would take on it's own story-line and ESPN would have it scrolling across the bottom of the screen for a week...Tony doesn't deserve that nonsense. What Tony does deserve is a better defense and using the largest resource that they have in the draft to take a back-up when they have 3 QB's with NFL experience is ludicrous to me. If we didn't have a front-line QB, my opinion would be different without a doubt, but we do have one.
3) All of the nice moves that the FO has made this off season would be thrown out the window if they took any QB in the first round.
4) the JFB manta is one thing that I REALLY can't stand. He didn't make it up, but this team is already a circus, what do you think JCFB would do? Keep in mind, he hasn't even been drafted and everyone calling him "Johnny Football" needs to remember that he is Johnny College Football. Just imagine what opposing defenses will do to remove that JFB moniker from him. He has earned nothing in the NFL.

I actually think this kid is talented, and I do wish him the best (truly), but there are SO many reason to not take him if he is there. I WOULD hate the pick, and then after the dust settled, since he would be wearing the star, he is then Cowboys family. Even Ratliff was Cowboy family to me until he wasn't. I want a better team, Manziel does not make us better.

No, my comments was not directed at any poster directly. There are some fans that know when Jerry makes a mistake, but they will support the bad decision because they feel it makes them less of a fan to disagree. I could give examples and name posters that tend to feel this way, but it would serve no purpose. You list some valid concerns about drafting Johnny Football. If Dallas was to draft him and you did a 180 and supported the move, you would be one of those fans that I am referring to.

 

[Redball Express]

Roger is often over complementary of other QBs. He once said something to the effect that Romo would end up being better than him (Roger).

If nothing. Roger is always a positive guy.

 

[ChooChoo73]

I think he is of the caliber to build a contending team around. If we could get him closer to our pick, I would be for trying to do it. I am of the mind that we will not compete for a title based on our roster and specifically depth along the lines. If Dallas thinks any of the qbs are franchise types, I think they should try to get their guy even to sit for two-three years. The notion of a high draft pick having to start seems arbitrary and just parroting of talking heads who don't seem to justify the statement.

For me the bottom line is by the time we might be competitive for rings, we will be in the qb market and fuming that we did not get one. If you think we can compete this or next year, then I would opt to draft into one of our need areas but I just don't see us as that close.

 

[marchetta]

After the 1989 draft, Drew Pearson said we should've chosen Mandarich. And, that he'd trade anyone on the roster, except for Herschel Walker, for Mandarich. Great players don't always make great talent evaluators. Ozzie Newsome is the exception however.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I'm not only referring to disgruntled Cowboys fans, I'm referring more to young fans in the state. There is nothing endearing about the Cowboys to young fans. They play soft, they lose in embarrassing fashion 5 times a year, they have a meddling owner, and a QB that is the butt of all jokes. Young fans will be riding that Manziel wave to Houston. If Jerry is a true businessman, which we all give him credit for, then he should be concerned about the 15-25 yr old demographic choosing an in-state competitor.

If the Texans do draft JM they will definitely sell tickets & pick up some fans. I actually think they sell out anyway but there will be an excitement there. New coach, new QB with a built in following from A & M & oh yea Watt.

 

[DFWJC]

After the 1989 draft, Drew Pearson said we should've chosen Mandarich. And, that he'd trade anyone on the roster, except for Herschel Walker, for Mandarich. Great players don't always make great talent evaluators. Ozzie Newsome is the exception however.

Yep. Of course, Roger might be dead on here, but like I mentioned earlier, it is a very different thing evaluating an existing NFL player who is actually already playing in the league compared to trying to project a college player at the next level. It's far more difficult; even moreso at the QB position.

It's like Brian Billick said on TV the other day; taking a QB in the 1st round is already only at best a 50-50 proposition when comparing where you are taking them vs what they eventually give you. He thinks this year is even dicier than that.

Who knows....I guess we'll know in a year or two.
One thing for sure, this should be fun seeing how it plays out both before and after draft day.

 

[Seven]

I want this to happen badly. Not because I am especially fond of Manziel, but I would love to see most of the fan base (especially those who hate the Aggies as well) go insane.

You are a shrewd one.....

 

[big dog cowboy]

What part of the mechanics? The pin point accuracy or the 4.5 speed?

Bad/inconsistent throwing motion primarily which would get him in trouble in the NFL.

 

[Doomsay]

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If nothing. Roger is always a positive guy.

Agreed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Manziel is not a finished product IMO. He has some nice skills but his arm is not major league, it's adequate when he uses good footwork and mechanics. He throws off the back of his foot way to much, he snaps off throws instead of following through too much and he doesn't really throw over the top. That's a bit of a concern because he's not very tall to begin with. He also doesn't slide in the pocket. He breaks the pocket and that's not good in the NFL IMO. All of these things worked at ATM but they won't in the NFL. Guys will track him down on Sundays and he won't be able to run away from people like he did in the NFL. He will have to learn to throw from a tighter pocket in the NFL and I he won't be able to throw off his back foot. Guys just break way to quickly on the ball in the NFL. This is not to say that he won't be successful but at this point, he's not a guy who can step in and be the starter for an NFL team IMO. He needs work.

 

[Deep_South]

The problem is, the Texans hold all the cards. They need a QB and have 1st pick in the draft, so any team that really wants Manziel to the exclusion of any other player is going to have to make an RG3-type deal with them. Coming off a year in which we had the worst defense in Cowboys' history, we are in no position to trade a bunch of number 1's and 2's for anyone. That's why Jerry said we just can't get up that high.

 

[jnday]

Just do it Jerry!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem is, the Texans hold all the cards. They need a QB and have 1st pick in the draft, so any team that really wants Manziel to the exclusion of any other player is going to have to make an RG3-type deal with them. Coming off a year in which we had the worst defense in Cowboys' history, we are in no position to trade a bunch of number 1's and 2's for anyone. That's why Jerry said we just can't get up that high.

Not necessarily. The Texans could simply take the best player on their board and then wait till the 2nd round to take a QB. Honestly, if they don't really feel as if the value is there at QB in the 1st round, they could wait and take a QB with 33. I could see that happening. I see no way in which the Texans take Manziel with the 1st overall pick in this draft.

 

[Deep_South]

Not necessarily. The Texans could simply take the best player on their board and then wait till the 2nd round to take a QB. Honestly, if they don't really feel as if the value is there at QB in the 1st round, they could wait and take a QB with 33. I could see that happening. I see no way in which the Texans take Manziel with the 1st overall pick in this draft.

Why would there be "no way" the Texans would take Manziel? The Texans certainly need to do something to avoid becoming the Astros of the NFL. In any case, my point was if a team wants Manziel, they either deal with the Texans or get prepared to see him gone before they can even approach the Rams, who will want a similar package from Manziel suitors if he doesn't go with the first pick. After the Rams come the Jags, who certainly need something to bring their franchise back to life, then we have the Browns and the Raiders who need a franchise QB. These teams at 3-5 might not be willing to trade down at all.

The way I see it, the demand for Johnny Football far exceeds the supply, and I personally wouldn't bet anything of substance that JF will get past Houston's pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why would there be "no way" the Texans would take Manziel? The Texans certainly need to do something to avoid becoming the Astros of the NFL. In any case, my point was if a team wants Manziel, they either deal with the Texans or get prepared to see him gone before they can even approach the Rams, who will want a similar package from Manziel suitors if he doesn't go with the first pick. After the Rams come the Jags, who certainly need something to bring their franchise back to life, then we have the Browns and the Raiders who need a franchise QB. These teams at 3-5 might not be willing to trade down at all.

The way I see it, the demand for Johnny Football far exceeds the supply, and I personally wouldn't bet anything of substance that JF will get past Houston's pick.

I did not say there would be no way. I said I see no way they would take him 1st overall.