Hamlins arent' the ball hawks needed at FS

[Texan_Eph89]

Mike Hamlin is a SS, not a FS.
I don't even know why people are pegging him as a FS.

Antrel Rolle and Mike Hamlin as our safeties would be sick!
While Mike doesn't have great speed, his instincts will make up for it (plus, he can lay the wood if need be).

He knows where the ball is going, that will outshine speed any day. How do you think Ed Reed is amazing in coverage: preparation and instincts.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

They're the only public source with all of the information in one place. They could be completely wrong. I have no idea and don't have the time to verify all of their facts, so go ahead qualify every statement I make regarding statistics with "assuming the statistics are true." But I thought such a statement would be obvious so I don't include it in every post.

The idea that football statistics don't "prove" anything isn't exactly a novel argument and certainly isn't a statement I pay much attention to. Coverage statistics are the best evidence we have for comparing defensive backs. If you ignore them, that's fine. I don't.

Yeah, for Cornerbacks. Since they are responsible for a receiver. Even Strong Safeties and some Free Safeties, who are responsible for covering TEs. Not for Ken Hamlin who doesn't cover anyone.

 

[gimmesix]

Mike Hamlin is a SS, not a FS.
I don't even know why people are pegging him as a FS.

Antrel Rolle and Mike Hamlin as our safeties would be sick!
While Mike doesn't have great speed, his instincts will make up for it (plus, he can lay the wood if need be).

He knows where the ball is going, that will outshine speed any day. How do you think Ed Reed is amazing in coverage: preparation and instincts.

You do know Ed's a free safety, right?

Playing the deep center field position makes up for speed because you can use your instincts to get a good break on the ball. On most plays, you're facing the quarterback.

The way we used the strong safety in coverage this season, he is often in the chase position with his back turned to the quarterback while following a tight end or receiver. He needs good man-to-man coverage skills and good speed (which Sensabaugh has). Tell me what about that description fits Mike Hamlin?

 

[JohnsKey19]

We still have to re-sign Sensabaugh. While he may not have played his way into a big $ deal like Hamlin did a few years ago, he still obviously made a difference with his range and ability to cover WRs/TEs. We gotta re-sign this guy...

 

[theogt]

We still have to re-sign Sensabaugh.

Or not.

 

[theogt]

Yeah, for Cornerbacks. Since they are responsible for a receiver. Even Strong Safeties and some Free Safeties, who are responsible for covering TEs. Not for Ken Hamlin who doesn't cover anyone.

Yeah, I get that you don't realize all free safeties play almost exclusively zone coverage.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Or not.

Well if that's the case, we surely would have to add a guy like Rolle in FA if possible and/or target a S in the first 2 rounds. Or do the coaches think Mike Hamlin can step into a starting role???

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, I get that you don't realize all free safeties play almost exclusively zone coverage.

I do get that. Thus coverage metrics are irrelevant in regards to gauging FS play.

 

[theogt]

Well if that's the case, we surely would have to add a guy like Rolle in FA if possible and/or target a S in the first 2 rounds. Or do the coaches think Mike Hamlin can step into a starting role???

A rookie could likely come in and do just as well (or just as poor).

I do get that. Thus coverage metrics are irrelevant in regards to gauging FS play.

That's absurd.

 

[theogt]

Thats not his argument. The argument is that their numbers are out of context. I have gone to their website and looked to see how they determine their statistics and if they correlate to anything specifically the various ratings and there is nada.

Their "ratings" are crap from what I can tell and shouldn't be considered at all. It's the raw data that is important.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Mike Hamlin is a SS... Dallas should let him start and sign Rolle if released, problems solved!

 

[NextGenBoys]

Sorta off the topic but is it just me who has grown weary of the 'ball hawk' moniker? Playmaking safety I can go for but something in me cringes every time I read ball hawk. Maybe it's just over used.

Anyway, I do think getting playmakers on both sides of the ball will be a priority this draft for sure.

No doubt it's overused, but it's still a good way to describe a type of player.

Some players are simply always around the ball and have an eye for it.

Ballhawk.

 

[theogt]

We need a fist-pumping, ball hawk safety that brings leadership and chemistry to the team.

 

[NextGenBoys]

We need a fist-pumping, ball hawk safety that brings leadership and chemistry to the team.

Real talk.

We have our fiery players on the line and backers in Rat and Brooking, now we need one in the secondary.

 

[Rampage]

Real talk.

We have our fiery players on the line and backers in Rat and Brooking, now we need one in the secondary.

he's being sarcastic cause he thinks Hamlin has played like one of the best safeties in the NFL the past 2 seasons.

 

[NeonNinja]

We need a fist-pumping, ball hawk safety that brings leadership and chemistry to the team.

We do need a ball hawking safety, Hamlin is lacking in that department. He's great at getting deep depth to cover up his lack of instincts and ball skills.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Their "ratings" are crap from what I can tell and shouldn't be considered at all. It's the raw data that is important.

So basically, you admit that about half of their stats are crap but you consider the ones that jive with your lovefest for Hamlin. When they say 3 and STATSInc says 13, only one of them can be right or approximately right.

Profootballfocus sucks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A rookie could likely come in and do just as well (or just as poor).

That's absurd.

Typical theo bashing a player --in this case Rolle- to back his man, Hamlin in this case.

A rookie is not just as likely to come in and play at a probowl level.

 

[NextGenBoys]

he's being sarcastic cause he thinks Hamlin has played like one of the best safeties in the NFL the past 2 seasons.

lol hahahahaha.

My sarcasm meter is broken. That's crazy talk though, Hamlin hasn't been horrible, but I want a playmaker back there.

Safety has evolved into a very important position in today's NFL.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

You do know Ed's a free safety, right?

Playing the deep center field position makes up for speed because you can use your instincts to get a good break on the ball. On most plays, you're facing the quarterback.

The way we used the strong safety in coverage this season, he is often in the chase position with his back turned to the quarterback while following a tight end or receiver. He needs good man-to-man coverage skills and good speed (which Sensabaugh has). Tell me what about that description fits Mike Hamlin?

I know Ed Reed is a FS... I made the comparison because due to Mike's instincts and preparation. If you noticed, Mike Hamlin made more plays on the ball than just about any other DB in training camp.

As far as his description, Mike is an SS. He's more of a big hitter, stronger, slower safety. If Wade sees him as an SS, he probably is.

He didn't have problems doing that in college, in fact he was a baller. People forget he's gone through some injuries. Give the man his due, he's not some JAG, his draft stock went down due to some speed concerns and the bowl injury.

And we all know that plenty of players who mess up their 40 times play much faster than advertised.