Hamstring Injuries - We Ready To Talk About Woicik?

[cowboy_ron]

I'll spare a lengthy opening post about this, because most Zoners already have a baseline opinion one way or another, but I'm interested to see where the thoughts lie now.

Question is in the title: are we as the fans good to go with Woicik with the continued hamstring injuries? Yes or no, and why?

Mods - a poll would be great too if you still do those.

I've questioned his value a few years back when Miles Austin stayed on Woicik's trainers table.......it seemed like Miles would pull a hammy just walking to the water cooler.

 

[RoboQB]

this isn't true

Ha. Now you're arguing with a dude from India, to centerplex of Yoga!?!

By your logic, atheists can't do Yoga.
Try this. Google yoga videos and see how many sexy hot chick's are on the cover.
How many nuns do you see on the cover of a yoga video?

 

[RoboQB]

I've questioned his value a few years back when Miles Austin stayed on Woicik's trainers table.......it seemed like Miles would pull a hammy just walking to the water cooler.

Miles Austin was an agoraphobic who was afraid to leave the training room... lol

 

[lockster]

Ha. Now you're arguing with a dude from India, to centerplex of Yoga!?!

By your logic, atheists can't do Yoga.
Try this. Google yoga videos and see how many sexy hot chick's are on the cover.
How many nuns do you see on the cover of a yoga video?

go research what constitutes religion, taking part in yoga will qualify that even if you don't understand the dynamics, or by conscious participation, but unknowing participation. Everybody is religious, they just can't aleYs define what their religion is. Most ppl are secularists, which worship themselves, other(humanists) these are usually pagans too as are atheists. Etc. Definition of religion is ur world view and what or who you worship. Yoga is paganism. Which usually incorporates stretching or postures of meditation. I'm saying. Stretching can be done without all the paganistic practices of yoga.

 

[casmith07]

I've questioned his value a few years back when Miles Austin stayed on Woicik's trainers table.......it seemed like Miles would pull a hammy just walking to the water cooler.

I think Miles over-trained in the offseason preceding the hamstring issues with a trainer in New Jersey.

I think that over-training lower extremities is probably the culprit for our more slender players getting tight hamstrings all of the time. That's on Woicik, no matter how you want to slice it.

Jourdan Lewis, for example goes from having no issues at all to having tight hamstrings? He played for Harbaugh - and NFL coach.

Woicik homers need to face the facts. He's the only constant in several players from several programs always having hammy problems in the offseason. It's time to re-examine what we're doing.

 

[casmith07]

Aren't most of the hamstring injuries the younger guys? If so, then that's not Woick's fault

It is, though. He should be designing scaled programs for younger players to ramp up their strength training. If they're over-training too soon, soft tissue injuries occur.

It's like going from doing nothing to trying to hit the gym and do 85lb bicep curls on day 1. You're going to wind up hurt.

 

[waving monkey]

this isn't true

lockster there are two stages of meditation single pointed meditation and insight meditation
single pointed meditation is strictly concerned with developing concentration nothing else
after calming the mind and developing single pointed meditation then you began training in "insight" meditation.
In insight meditation spiritual philosophies come into play but not until you calm the mind.
however this is a Cowboyszone football board we're way off topic.

 

[mrmojo]

Yoga does nothing for muscles stretching does. Yoga is about spiritualism, stretching is about physically stretching ur muscles. You can stretch muscles without wasting any of your time on the spiritualism of yoga.

I take it you've never done yoga? Once I started yoga a few years back my running has improved tremendously, I rarely have any leg injuries

 

[lockster]

No

I take it you've never done yoga? Once I started yoga a few years back my running has improved tremendously, I rarely have any leg injuries

no don't believe in it, but I do stretch, but I do something better everyday that's better than even stretching. I swim laps, swim enough of them not only will it automatically stretch ur back, and other parts, but build ur muscles, increase ur cardio big time , lubricate ur joints, heal injuries, and give u a free bath lol. If these guys worked out in the pool like I do, they wouldn't ever get a hamstring injuries, and the ones that have them would get them healed fast! Swimming laps is where its at.

 

[RoboQB]

go research what constitutes religion, taking part in yoga will qualify that even if you don't understand the dynamics, or by conscious participation, but unknowing participation. Everybody is religious, they just can't aleYs define what their religion is. Most ppl are secularists, which worship themselves, other(humanists) these are usually pagans too as are atheists. Etc. Definition of religion is ur world view and what or who you worship. Yoga is paganism. Which usually incorporates stretching or postures of meditation. I'm saying. Stretching can be done without all the paganistic practices of yoga.

Oh I see. Someone mentions yoga as a form of stretching and you hop on your soap box and preach to us
how yoga is spiritual and has "nothing to do with stretching muscles". Yet you tap dance all the way around
the fact that yoga is, in fact, a form of stretching (along with meditation). Then finally you come with... paraphrasing here...
there are other stretching exercises that can be done aside from yoga. Well, no ****, sherlock!

 

[RoboQB]

lockster there are two stages of meditation single pointed meditation and insight meditation
single pointed meditation is strictly concerned with developing concentration nothing else
after calming the mind and developing single pointed meditation then you began training in "insight" meditation.
In insight meditation spiritual philosophies come into play but not until you calm the mind.
however this is a Cowboyszone football board we're way off topic.

You are right about us being way off topic here. I posted one last retort. Now, I will move on.

 

[lockster]

lockster there are two stages of meditation single pointed meditation and insight meditation
single pointed meditation is strictly concerned with developing concentration nothing else
after calming the mind and developing single pointed meditation then you began training in "insight" meditation.
In insight meditation spiritual philosophies come into play but not until you calm the mind.
however this is a Cowboyszone football board we're way off topic.

both of those are forms of spiritualism , designed to put ur mind in the alpha state.

 

[lockster]

If you

Oh I see. Someone mentions yoga as a form of stretching and you hop on your soap box and preach to us
how yoga is spiritual and has "nothing to do with stretching muscles". Yet you tap dance all the way around
the fact that yoga is, in fact, a form of stretching (along with meditation). Then finally you come with... paraphrasing here...
there are other stretching exercises that can be done aside from yoga. Well, no ****, sherlock!

had read one of my earlier posts, you would have seen I added that there is stretching involved in yoga, but stretching can be done without yoga exercises of meditation, etc. Yoga isn't yoga without the spiritual exercises and only stretching. Yoga is spiritualism, you don't need that crap. And when you say soap box, you mean like the one your on right now, or the one where I posted an in-depth article that backs up my claims concerning yoga. Yoga = spiritualism + stretching. Stretching= stretching. Yoga doesn't = stretching by itself.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Woicik had the rookies for what a couple of months and they are the lion's share of the injuries? Further the players had a month off before TC. Outside of the rookies you have the guys who have been with the team for a year or more. Of them the only one to get injured is Thornton.

I don't see how you put that on Woicik. The guys who have been training with them do not get hurt. The new guys just coming in do.

If anything you put it on the coaching staff for throwing the rookies into the fire and not metering their workloads better.

This reminds me of the narrative in Woicik's first year where there were a rash of injuries. People wanted to blame him when it takes a year or two for a S&C coach's regimen to transform a player.

Even including Dez's foot and Romo's back the club has been exceedingly ahead of the league curve in terms of injuries the past 3 years. We should be crediting Woicik for that.

 

[bodi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Woicik

did the 90's cowboys have a lot of injury ?

did the Pats ?

 

[waving monkey]

both of those are forms of spiritualism , designed to put ur mind in the alpha state.

as you wish

 

[CCBoy]

It is, though. He should be designing scaled programs for younger players to ramp up their strength training. If they're over-training too soon, soft tissue injuries occur.

It's like going from doing nothing to trying to hit the gym and do 85lb bicep curls on day 1. You're going to wind up hurt.

I had just come from the Academy and was in the weight room with the Javelinas. Since I was a new man, a letterman and Little All American linebacker, called Dwight Harrison over and pitted me against him for total number of curls using 45 pounds on the weight machine...when I hit 75, not tiring, Dwight just said naw, man, and walked off. Dwight played for Buffalo in their secondary.

 

[Aven8]

I was a former strength and conditioning coach a long time ago at a Division 2 school. I still think today's players overtrain. It's a year round business. They are bigger and faster then ever before and with that speed and extra weight it leads to soft tissue injuries. For rookies I believe that the NFL game is so fast and they are so eager to succeed that they might push it a little too hard going out of the gates as well. I can guarantee you Jordan Lewis never covered anyone close to Dez in the Big 10!!

 

[CCBoy]

I was a former strength and conditioning coach a long time ago at a Division 2 school. I still think today's players overtrain. It's a year round business. They are bigger and faster then ever before and with that speed and extra weight it leads to soft tissue injuries. For rookies I believe that the NFL game is so fast and they are so eager to succeed that they might push it a little too hard going out of the gates as well. I can guarantee you Jordan Lewis never covered anyone close to Dez in the Big 10!!

Damn, all this time to learn this about you. Back when, do you recall Texas A&I in Div 2?

 

[Aven8]

Damn, all this time to learn this about you. Back when, do you recall Texas A&I in Div 2?

I remember that school well from my youth, but it was A&M Kingsville when I was a coach. With John Randle as there more famous HOF alum.