CFZ Happy, sad, confounded about Kellen Moore? A different perspective

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I don't praise dak. show me where I praise Dak 24/.7. again to you if I don't pour on hate incenssently and blame everything that ails this franchise on Dak, then I must be an ardent dak fan.

that's your mindset. I am not about getting rid of one player foolishly thinking that it makes us great. that's fools gold. there are lots of problems with Dallas that need fixing. Dak is one of them. to you its the only problem and there are no others.
Gee...defensive much?

I never said YOU. It was just a general comment from my perspective or "mindset".

And "i think Dak is the only problem"? You ...are nuts. You only see what you want....how convenient for ya.

I just got done posting this:

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We have them. Dak cannot get it to them or make them excel.

San fran is proving right now you can have weapons. But if you can't get it to them and make them great, you'll lose.

To be fair...this is not all on Dak, imo. The OC MUST scheme for what we have. SF did a pretty good job of that until their 4th QB got hurt. :eek:.
We can;t even do that with our 1st.
Your apology is...forthcoming.
 

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In 2014 and 2016.......two different Cowboys QBs had career seasons AND in both seasons we led the league in rushing. This is where I think this offense is headed. Even Parcell and Jimmy have said, we need a strong running game around Dak, and don't think for a second Jerry and MM weren't listening.
Eagles are built around rushing and D. Thats the formula that won us SB’s in the 90’s. Hope we can return to it.
 

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I didn't mind KM at all. His scheme was generic by 2022 standards, but A. it was a modern non-Garrett offense and B. it remained effective.

And I'm going to go on a pet peeve rant here... one of the most overrated complaints in football is "they knew our plays." There's just not that much new offensive football under the sun. On the CBS broadcasts, Romo can correctly predict playcalls about half the time just by watching how both teams line up. Defensive staffs breaking down your tendencies out of each formation can do better than that. By January, you have pretty much put your entire playbook on tape and they have seen it.

That isn't to say that running the Jason Garrett special of gut run, gut run, 3rd down shotgun pass with an X streak and Z slant every week is the answer. But you aren't going to keep professional defenses guessing for an entire season. They are going to figure things out.
 

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My knee jerk reaction is unless Zeke takes a massive pay cut he has played his last game here. If Big Mike is running the offense he with his own eyes as seen what Zeke is at this stage in his career. If Zeke had supporters it was the running back coach and Kellen and now they are both gone.
Honestly the way this draft shapes up I don't think Zeke survives this one especially with the injury to Pollard now that Moore is out. I honestly think you see MM go with a completely different scheme/overhaul to the Bill Walsh west coast offense philosophy and abandon the Zampese/Air Coreyell style offense brought in by Garrett contingent. I do think either way a big WR a true WR1 is going to be needed to go with Cee Dee because I personally think Gallup doesn't have the same explosion or pop he had prior to the injury. Maybe that's different in year 2 it tends to take a minute coming off a big time knee injury. I think the change had more to do with blocking schemes and ineptitude of running the ball. We were at the top of the league in pressures and down the stretch was anemic running the ball if Pollard didn't pop a few long runs. I know there are multiple factors there but I think that's why you seen the entire offensive coaching staff get walking papers. MM is going to go down with his style offense and calling that offense, the real question will be who he's bringing in to execute his vision because that will be way more important than who he brings in as the OC. My guess will be retreads that he knows but unless we planning on retooling our OL to get back to the days prior to Fredrick getting that disease that could be a long haul with the amount of holes we have on this offense.
 

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Yeah! the scapegoat is dead!? I apologize for the tards that were, and the tards too pass. I can't apologize for the incompetency that is. I really hate the idea of going back to an offence that ranks 10th to 20th overall every year, which was the preamble to that of Kellen Moore. The offence is Vanilla, it lacks motion and Pizzazz; crap I tell you! I'll take the wins over that glitz, anytime, anywhere; yes sir, I will. Change is not always good! "The evil that men do comes after them, the good is oft interred with their bones, so let it be with Caesar.///not(Kellen)saying this, personally, duh\\\." I get it, and hate it, but this is a quote that sticks with me in history as well as sports.
He has done a lot more right than he has wrong and most people would take that.

Not Cowboys fans, I can definitely find fault in his play calling but to blame, the game on the coordinator is lazy. If Dak were on a couplable/cut able/tradeable contract it would be his arse on the chopping block. Despite Kellen's minor transgressions. Ask yourself? Are you mad with a top five offensive Co. in the league or have you sided with the masses, and joined the easy out scapegoat that everyone has chosen for this insurrection.

Kellen is most definitely a scapegoat, I suffer as a fan of the Cowboys, as much as he does losing his job=(exaggeration financially)=. It's unjust, wrong, what have you. Somebody will most definitely wreak the benefits,(Chargers), this is the way!?. I hope and pray that Mr. fats McCarthy can pull together an offence that resembles that of what has been displayed over the past couple years... or I guess we will see irrelevancy again. The fact of the matter is a top 10 coordinator is not happenstance, its more of a circumstance. Look at the past Super Bowl winners. The common denominator is,..,,, an elite QB. Or a perfect team, that makes up .for the lack of a perfect QB. We are almost perfect enough to make up for mediocre QB play, if Mr. Irrelevant can squeak into the championship round. So can Dallas with a top 12 QB and a superb surrounding cast.

In some circumstances a change is just, and sometimes that is what you need. In this case, I almost agree. You have to find out if it's Dak or if it's Kellen blowing up the mojo. Everyone's heard the phrase. "The grass is always greener on the other side." It better be the greenest of greens. Why give up on a good thing? Because the circumstance dictates you to do so? I really waiver when people conclude, a change is a good one; just because it is one!@?


Questions/ generalities/ here say, nobody really know until the universe plays its hand; God I miss Vegas. If I was the house, my bet would be on failure; only because I follow the pattern. My biggest discretion is selling Amari for peanuts and hoping you can make up for his production with a #5 wideout like Brown. Fore shame. We are all wannabe's, but I would take a majority of your ideas over the swill these turds throw about to placate the masses. Sometime I am just embarrassed to have to associate myself with this establishment. (Hey a fan is a fan, can't help it, 27 years of awesome failurtude and hopelessness. Cheers everybody.)

What I am jawing on about in half English generalities, is mostly this...Kellen might have been bland, but was this a personnel problem?/ assistant problem?/ or an above station problem.? Getting rid of Kellen is a short sided, fan suppressing solution, which I fully suspect will end in sorrow. I believe, Dak has been, and will be the problem, because he fails to grasp the offence in a way that can be deployed in an efficient manner. He don't scan or process fast enough. If he does, he places the ball short and behind the receiver in almost every situation. If Kellen does go to LA, I really think the Chargers will be top 5 in offence next year; nothing new for Kellen.

I know this post isn't a hate Kellen post... this is more of a Dak processing an offence problem. I apologize for being a drag but I really think Kellen was being held back by Dak. Run's up the middle and Curls abound it doesn't change the fact that Dak couldn't find the open receivers in a simple offence; good luck Mcarthy.

Excuse my grammar and punctuation. I'm not an electrical Einstein.
Amen
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I didn't mind KM at all. His scheme was generic by 2022 standards, but A. it was a modern non-Garrett offense and B. it remained effective.

And I'm going to go on a pet peeve rant here... one of the most overrated complaints in football is "they knew our plays." There's just not that much new offensive football under the sun. On the CBS broadcasts, Romo can correctly predict playcalls about half the time just by watching how both teams line up. Defensive staffs breaking down your tendencies out of each formation can do better than that. By January, you have pretty much put your entire playbook on tape and they have seen it.

That isn't to say that running the Jason Garrett special of gut run, gut run, 3rd down shotgun pass with an X streak and Z slant every week is the answer. But you aren't going to keep professional defenses guessing for an entire season. They are going to figure things out.
this is a perfect example of the Mentality of the Dak Fan . . . Hits on all the talking points
 

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amazing response, sorry about your grandfather.

I am not saying the Cowboys are wrong, I would never say that., Why would I deal in absolutes? In a no win situation you still have to make a choice. I definitely agree with this. Hopefully we are wrong and MC can bring the boys to the promise land. The best thing I can say is we will know shortly. Kellen will probably be hired by the Chargers and Herbert will most likely go off. The accusations the hoi polloi throws at Kellen are simplistic and predictable but its uncouth/unbecoming of a sports fan. I hate on players too but not in a physical or virtual space and I really do hope Kellen lands on his feat. He is not the problem, he isn't the solution either. In both cases I'm fine with that. Let's move on and make the best of what choices we are still allotted.

They say MC will take over play calling, is that what everyone wants? In that case we know it is either MC or Dak causing a fray in the system. If not whom would you recommend for OC?

Whom do you want as OC? do you think MC has been waiting for Moore to (fail)? or do you think MC can actually make the changes to facilitate a quality change in Dak's decision making.

If Dak does fail, and it turns out it's his problem do you trade up for a QB next year, if so I like Riley Leonard's game QB from Duke. He can do everything and he probably won't go in the top 10 which helps trade price.
I believe if big Mike takes the reigns there will be an open competition at QB and this will be Mike taking full responsibility for that decision . . . . Which is probably the best way to go if they are gonna bench a 40 million a year QB

Because it is Mike's last here in all likely hood. . . . This may have been a best for everyone involved scenario

The 2016 election has showed that there are teams of Consultants that scour the internet in order to get a feel for public opinions (Cambridge Analytics) . . Jerry is savvy and I believe, contrary to popular belief, that he has his finger on the pulse and sees the writing on the wall.

He realizes the hatred that many fans have developed towards Kellen as the Escape Goat (Every year there is one for Dak) so as a friend He allowed him to walk . . . Chargers is not official but Wow . . . What a landing spot. . . . (Jerry still will make money because His Company owns the rights to the Chargers Box Seats) . . . This may be the beginning of multiple MVP campaigns for Hebert

Jerry defers the whole responsibility of what will be the Dak "Benching" Fiasco to McCarthy who is a potential lame duck if things continue status quo . . . I cannot wait to see who they bring in to compete . . . But I believe it will not take much to beat Dak out in a fair competition

Stay tuned we shall see

But you are a 100% right . . . Again Cowboys Fans come up on the losing side
 

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In 2014 and 2016.......two different Cowboys QBs had career seasons AND in both seasons we led the league in rushing. This is where I think this offense is headed. Even Parcell and Jimmy have said, we need a strong running game around Dak, and don't think for a second Jerry and MM weren't listening.
That was a once in a lifetime Offensive Line never to be replicated again . . . That dream is over and it's legend has run its course . . . instead of reinserting the Man it was built for they rode a pipe dream . . . An all the Cowboy fans have to show for it is the bloated bank accounts of Zeke & Dak . . .

It is now 2023 and some here still are wishing upon a star
 

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You turn every one of your posts into a Defense of Dak. I'm not giving any grading system to Dak....for me he's excellent when EVERYTHING's going his way, but he visibly falls apart when something goes wrong or isn't working.
how am I defending Dak? because I am not pouring on like you and few others, I must be defending him!!?? what kind of warped logic is that. I keep saying Dak is not elite. he has flaws. he needs help.
you keep readin Dak is elite, Dak is perfect and He doesn't need help.....

read what I write. not what's in your head.
 

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Gee...defensive much?

I never said YOU. It was just a general comment from my perspective or "mindset".

And "i think Dak is the only problem"? You ...are nuts. You only see what you want....how convenient for ya.

I just got done posting this:

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Your apology is...forthcoming.
:huh:
you say you, in a response to my post and then say I didn't mean you as in really you but some nebulus you. lumping me with everybody else who you are mad at, because I am not piling it on.....

no apologies...in fact you owe me one, based on what you just said.

your apology is forth coming.....
 

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Dak Prescott is the reason why Kellen Moore was only unemployed for one day. Think about it...
 

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Kellen Moore WANTED out apparently and Jerry honored his wishes. The fact San Diego already asked a week ago for permission to interview him before he was even let go and after the Panthers HC interview speaks volumes.
 

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Moore has talent, especially with play design. He calls an inconsistent game though. How much of this is on dak and how much is it on him? We will find out next season.
Yet the Dallas offense has been top five in second half scoring since he’s taken over. Part of that obviously has to do with TOs, but your talking a very significant jump. They were number 1 this year. Much of what he’s been praised for is his ability to set defenses up and take advantage later.

I believe if big Mike takes the reigns there will be an open competition at QB and this will be Mike taking full responsibility for that decision . . . . Which is probably the best way to go if they are gonna bench a 40 million a year QB

Because it is Mike's last here in all likely hood. . . . This may have been a best for everyone involved scenario

The 2016 election has showed that there are teams of Consultants that scour the internet in order to get a feel for public opinions (Cambridge Analytics) . . Jerry is savvy and I believe, contrary to popular belief, that he has his finger on the pulse and sees the writing on the wall.

He realizes the hatred that many fans have developed towards Kellen as the Escape Goat (Every year there is one for Dak) so as a friend He allowed him to walk . . . Chargers is not official but Wow . . . What a landing spot. . . . (Jerry still will make money because His Company owns the rights to the Chargers Box Seats) . . . This may be the beginning of multiple MVP campaigns for Hebert

Jerry defers the whole responsibility of what will be the Dak "Benching" Fiasco to McCarthy who is a potential lame duck if things continue status quo . . . I cannot wait to see who they bring in to compete . . . But I believe it will not take much to beat Dak out in a fair competition

Stay tuned we shall see

But you are a 100% right . . . Again Cowboys Fans come up on the losing side
bro.. The Chargers box seat angle is Money.. good call
 

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Yeah! the scapegoat is dead!? I apologize for the tards that were, and the tards too pass. I can't apologize for the incompetency that is. I really hate the idea of going back to an offence that ranks 10th to 20th overall ….
I think its more like Jerry, asking Mac , hey what else can I do , Mac’s biggest excuse has been he had said ” I dont know this offense , it is Kellens” , so Jerry said probably ” Ok, make it yours & bring in who you want “ . Basically giving no options for Mac to have any excuses.

So Mac knows that he cant lead the team deeper in Playoffs , he is gone. That might light a fire under and bring some changes. Also I think it will be a better situational awareness offense , unlike Kellen’s which throws everythign which is working and jumps into vague tangents.
 

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Just another scapegoat to try to fix a guy who's nit fixable.
Going to be interesting to see how much of Moores playbook gets opened up since he’s got a baller Qb like Herbert now. Moore came from the Boise St era where it was nothing like the vanilla crap we saw here.
 
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