CFZ Happy, sad, confounded about Kellen Moore? A different perspective

[CATCH17]

We didn’t have like brilliant play design or anything. Very standard offense.

I don’t think his departure helps or hurts. It’s just blah.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah! the scapegoat is dead!? I apologize for the tards that were, and the tards too pass. I can't apologize for the incompetency that is. I really hate the idea of going back to an offence that ranks 10th to 20th overall every year, which was the preamble to that of Kellen Moore. The offence is Vanilla, it lacks motion and Pizzazz; crap I tell you! I'll take the wins over that glitz, anytime, anywhere; yes sir, I will. Change is not always good! "The evil that men do comes after them, the good is oft interred with their bones, so let it be with Caesar.///not(Kellen)saying this, personally, duh\\\." I get it, and hate it, but this is a quote that sticks with me in history as well as sports.
He has done a lot more right than he has wrong and most people would take that.

Not Cowboys fans, I can definitely find fault in his play calling but to blame, the game on the coordinator is lazy. If Dak were on a couplable/cut able/tradeable contract it would be his arse on the chopping block. Despite Kellen's minor transgressions. Ask yourself? Are you mad with a top five offensive Co. in the league or have you sided with the masses, and joined the easy out scapegoat that everyone has chosen for this insurrection.

Kellen is most definitely a scapegoat, I suffer as a fan of the Cowboys, as much as he does losing his job=(exaggeration financially)=. It's unjust, wrong, what have you. Somebody will most definitely wreak the benefits,(Chargers), this is the way!?. I hope and pray that Mr. fats McCarthy can pull together an offence that resembles that of what has been displayed over the past couple years... or I guess we will see irrelevancy again. The fact of the matter is a top 10 coordinator is not happenstance, its more of a circumstance. Look at the past Super Bowl winners. The common denominator is,..,,, an elite QB. Or a perfect team, that makes up .for the lack of a perfect QB. We are almost perfect enough to make up for mediocre QB play, if Mr. Irrelevant can squeak into the championship round. So can Dallas with a top 12 QB and a superb surrounding cast.

In some circumstances a change is just, and sometimes that is what you need. In this case, I almost agree. You have to find out if it's Dak or if it's Kellen blowing up the mojo. Everyone's heard the phrase. "The grass is always greener on the other side." It better be the greenest of greens. Why give up on a good thing? Because the circumstance dictates you to do so? I really waiver when people conclude, a change is a good one; just because it is one!@?


Questions/ generalities/ here say, nobody really know until the universe plays its hand; God I miss Vegas. If I was the house, my bet would be on failure; only because I follow the pattern. My biggest discretion is selling Amari for peanuts and hoping you can make up for his production with a #5 wideout like Brown. Fore shame. We are all wannabe's, but I would take a majority of your ideas over the swill these turds throw about to placate the masses. Sometime I am just embarrassed to have to associate myself with this establishment. (Hey a fan is a fan, can't help it, 27 years of awesome failurtude and hopelessness. Cheers everybody.)

What I am jawing on about in half English generalities, is mostly this...Kellen might have been bland, but was this a personnel problem?/ assistant problem?/ or an above station problem.? Getting rid of Kellen is a short sided, fan suppressing solution, which I fully suspect will end in sorrow. I believe, Dak has been, and will be the problem, because he fails to grasp the offence in a way that can be deployed in an efficient manner. He don't scan or process fast enough. If he does, he places the ball short and behind the receiver in almost every situation. If Kellen does go to LA, I really think the Chargers will be top 5 in offence next year; nothing new for Kellen.

I know this post isn't a hate Kellen post... this is more of a Dak processing an offence problem. I apologize for being a drag but I really think Kellen was being held back by Dak. Run's up the middle and Curls abound it doesn't change the fact that Dak couldn't find the open receivers in a simple offence; good luck Mcarthy.

Excuse my grammar and punctuation. I'm not an electrical Einstein.

Its seems like dumb, dumber, and more dumb to be honest. Why do we have to have guys like Garrett, Moore, and now MM running the offenses for us? Mind boggling.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Kellen is most definitely a scapegoat

Complete failure in the most important game two years in a row doesn't make you a scapegoat.

 

[BARRYRAY]

He traded jobs and is laying on the beach in San Diego smarter than he looks.

 

[kramskoi]

Yeah! the scapegoat is dead!? I apologize for the tards that were, and the tards too pass. I can't apologize for the incompetency that is. I really hate the idea of going back to an offence that ranks 10th to 20th overall every year, which was the preamble to that of Kellen Moore. The offence is Vanilla, it lacks motion and Pizzazz; crap I tell you! I'll take the wins over that glitz, anytime, anywhere; yes sir, I will. Change is not always good! "The evil that men do comes after them, the good is oft interred with their bones, so let it be with Caesar.///not(Kellen)saying this, personally, duh\\\." I get it, and hate it, but this is a quote that sticks with me in history as well as sports.
He has done a lot more right than he has wrong and most people would take that.

Not Cowboys fans, I can definitely find fault in his play calling but to blame, the game on the coordinator is lazy. If Dak were on a couplable/cut able/tradeable contract it would be his arse on the chopping block. Despite Kellen's minor transgressions. Ask yourself? Are you mad with a top five offensive Co. in the league or have you sided with the masses, and joined the easy out scapegoat that everyone has chosen for this insurrection.

Kellen is most definitely a scapegoat, I suffer as a fan of the Cowboys, as much as he does losing his job=(exaggeration financially)=. It's unjust, wrong, what have you. Somebody will most definitely wreak the benefits,(Chargers), this is the way!?. I hope and pray that Mr. fats McCarthy can pull together an offence that resembles that of what has been displayed over the past couple years... or I guess we will see irrelevancy again. The fact of the matter is a top 10 coordinator is not happenstance, its more of a circumstance. Look at the past Super Bowl winners. The common denominator is,..,,, an elite QB. Or a perfect team, that makes up .for the lack of a perfect QB. We are almost perfect enough to make up for mediocre QB play, if Mr. Irrelevant can squeak into the championship round. So can Dallas with a top 12 QB and a superb surrounding cast.

In some circumstances a change is just, and sometimes that is what you need. In this case, I almost agree. You have to find out if it's Dak or if it's Kellen blowing up the mojo. Everyone's heard the phrase. "The grass is always greener on the other side." It better be the greenest of greens. Why give up on a good thing? Because the circumstance dictates you to do so? I really waiver when people conclude, a change is a good one; just because it is one!@?


Questions/ generalities/ here say, nobody really know until the universe plays its hand; God I miss Vegas. If I was the house, my bet would be on failure; only because I follow the pattern. My biggest discretion is selling Amari for peanuts and hoping you can make up for his production with a #5 wideout like Brown. Fore shame. We are all wannabe's, but I would take a majority of your ideas over the swill these turds throw about to placate the masses. Sometime I am just embarrassed to have to associate myself with this establishment. (Hey a fan is a fan, can't help it, 27 years of awesome failurtude and hopelessness. Cheers everybody.)

What I am jawing on about in half English generalities, is mostly this...Kellen might have been bland, but was this a personnel problem?/ assistant problem?/ or an above station problem.? Getting rid of Kellen is a short sided, fan suppressing solution, which I fully suspect will end in sorrow. I believe, Dak has been, and will be the problem, because he fails to grasp the offence in a way that can be deployed in an efficient manner. He don't scan or process fast enough. If he does, he places the ball short and behind the receiver in almost every situation. If Kellen does go to LA, I really think the Chargers will be top 5 in offence next year; nothing new for Kellen.

I know this post isn't a hate Kellen post... this is more of a Dak processing an offence problem. I apologize for being a drag but I really think Kellen was being held back by Dak. Run's up the middle and Curls abound it doesn't change the fact that Dak couldn't find the open receivers in a simple offence; good luck Mcarthy.

Excuse my grammar and punctuation. I'm not an electrical Einstein.

The best offense Kellen Moore had was in 2019...his first year. After that the offense regressed but this regression was hidden by the defense, which went from 17 takeaways in 2019 to 34 and 33 (2021 and 2022 respectively) It was 2nd in offensive DVOA in 2019...6th in 2021...15th in 2022. The defense has made this offense look better than it actually is. Moreover, last year's number were padded by an incredibly weak division. That won't be the case going forward.

I won't even get into the inconsistencies, player usage, funky route concepts (too many option routes) and situational awareness issues. Now Prescott isn't completely blameless in this situation (he was butt ugly awful against San Francisco and Washington) but you can't cut him and you can't trade him. I've thought since LAST YEAR that the Moore-Prescott duo was dysfunctional. This break should've happened LAST YEAR.

 

[sacase]

I am torn on this. I am not 100% sure KM was the problem. But I am also not sure that he wasn't. Play calling left a lot to be desired especially in critical situations. However, KM's hands may have been tied by Dak's limitations, which he clearly has. I still think Dak changed plays into less optimal ones. Dak had too much freedom and this change will prove exactly what the problem is.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still think Dak changed plays into less optimal ones. Dak had too much freedom and this change will prove exactly what the problem is.

That's the $64,000 question. Unfortunately those who know won't talk. But I sure would like to know.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Eagles are built around rushing and D. Thats the formula that won us SB’s in the 90’s. Hope we can return to it.

Wait wait wait wait you mean it wasn't ...............................................................................

Getdapuckouttahere (Hockey Reference)

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

I think Kellen is the one who wanted out and tension with McCarthy is the reason.

 

[NotForLong]

Yet the Dallas offense has been top five in second half scoring since he’s taken over. Part of that obviously has to do with TOs, but your talking a very significant jump. They were number 1 this year. Much of what he’s been praised for is his ability to set defenses up and take advantage later.


bro.. The Chargers box seat angle is Money.. good call

Yup . . . Jerry always comes up Roses . . Even when The Cowboys Stink.

He fleeced all these Franchises that got New Stadiums . . . Rams, Raiders, Chargers . . .He got all the contracts for the Box Seats. . . . Which is the reason. he was fighting in the background for their relocations

 

[NotForLong]

I think Kellen is the one who wanted out and tension with McCarthy is the reason

Wow you have a very active imagination . . But if you do not recall many on here. . . . While they weren't busy blaming Micah, Diggs and The Offensive Line for the Lost at San Fran. . . . They were calling for Moore's head

I don't really think they wanted him gone so fast tho . . . I think they wanted to use him as a whipping boy for a couple weeks but He came up roses

So . . . They all like damn . . . Herbert aint really all that good anyways

 

[NotForLong]

I think its more like Jerry, asking Mac , hey what else can I do , Mac’s biggest excuse has been he had said ” I dont know this offense , it is Kellens” , so Jerry said probably ” Ok, make it yours & bring in who you want “ . Basically giving no options for Mac to have any excuses.

So Mac knows that he cant lead the team deeper in Playoffs , he is gone. That might light a fire under and bring some changes. Also I think it will be a better situational awareness offense , unlike Kellen’s which throws everythign which is working and jumps into vague tangents.

Wow this sounds like an interesting novel . . . is it based on Reality or is it Fiction?

 

[NotForLong]

No excuses for Dak next season.

Yeah everyone is gone . . . Thankfully Lamb balled out and took that away from the Dak Fan Boys. Even now they cannot deny Lamb's talent . . . There is no one left to blame . . . everyone has moved on

 

[NotForLong]

Dak Prescott is the reason why Kellen Moore was only unemployed for one day. Think about it...

 

[kramskoi]

I am torn on this. I am not 100% sure KM was the problem. But I am also not sure that he wasn't. Play calling left a lot to be desired especially in critical situations. However, KM's hands may have been tied by Dak's limitations, which he clearly has. I still think Dak changed plays into less optimal ones. Dak had too much freedom and this change will prove exactly what the problem is.

At the end of the day you had a head coach who wasn't on the same page with his OC (too many option routes) and you had an OC who wasn't helping his quarterback be better in times of trouble. To bring this obvious dysfunction back for a third run would be foolish.

 

[CowboyoWales]

how am I defending Dak? because I am not pouring on like you and few others, I must be defending him!!?? what kind of warped logic is that. I keep saying Dak is not elite. he has flaws. he needs help.
you keep readin Dak is elite, Dak is perfect and He doesn't need help.....

read what I write. not what's in your head.

Dak's weaknesses arent going to be overcome with other players and/or coaches, he panics, he cant take stressful adversity and in any case....we can't bring in those players as he's paid 21% of the CAP. He's just proved that he's not the QB to go ALL-IN behind, he hasnt the temperament.

 

[Haimerej]

one of the most overrated complaints in football is "they knew our plays."

Preach. Literally every winning team's locker room talks about their film study after a win, yet Dallas is the only team ever successfully scouted if you listen to Zoners. I put that right up there with complaints about curl routes, as if every offense in the league doesn't use that concept.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

This was never the right offense for Romo or Dak. This was the right offense for Aikman. A big strong accurate QB. This was the right offense for Irvin. A fearless, precise route runner. Dez and CeeDee are fearless, but they are not precise route runners. CeeDee does not look like someone who can play outside, he has shown to be more effective from the slot.

The timing, precision, trust and guts to run those slants...or those comebacks...or those deep outs...was Aikman/Irvin all day. No combination of Romo and Dez or Dak and CeeDee can match that. Aikman and Irvin practiced them til they puked. Aikman and Irvin practiced those outs, slants and comebacks blindfolded. Romo could at least throw the back shoulder...which made him and Dez effective...but Dak cannot.

That 1st interception against the 49ers was EVERYTHING wrong with this offense for this personnel. From the play call, to the WR who ran it to the QB who threw it. Gallup has ZERO business running that route( they really don't have anyone on this roster that excels at running it). Sloppy and fooled no one. Dak had no business throwing that ball when you consider where the CB was and the WR was. That route is about timing and trust. Once Gallup hung Dak out to dry....it was CeeDee or bust the rest of the day. In this offense....if you can't trust that WRs are going to be where they are supposed to be...this offense is dead. So Moore was actually the wrong coordinator for THIS personnel

You can't get rid of Dak....yet....so since we have already seen that this offense will not get it done at the championship level...with this QB....and these receivers...you have no choice but to go in a different direction.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That 1st interception against the 49ers was EVERYTHING wrong with this offense for this personnel. From the play call, to the WR who ran it to the QB who threw it. Gallup has ZERO business running that route( they really don't have anyone on this roster that excels at running it). Sloppy and fooled no one. Dak had no business throwing that ball when you consider where the CB was and the WR was. That route is about timing and trust. Once Gallup hung Dak out to dry....it was CeeDee or bust the rest of the day. In this offense....if you can't trust that WRs are going to be where they are supposed to be...this offense is dead. So Moore was actually the wrong coordinator for THIS personnel

Ok, but how come it worked a week earlier vrs the Bucc's?

I hear so many commentators mention that receiver's were open.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Ok, but how come it worked a week earlier vrs the Bucc's?

I hear so many commentators mention that receiver's were open.

Maybe because the 49ers defense was #1 in the NFL?

I mean we can play that game all day. How come Brady threw for over 400 yards 2 weeks earlier against the Panthers and Evans had over 200 yards receiving, but looked like they did not belong on the same field with the Cowboys? Maybe because the Cowboys are better than the Panthers?

It's not about evaluating this offense in a vacum. The Denver Broncos showed us 2 years ago how this offense could be stopped. Some people have the gameplan and personnel to stop it. Some don't. Clearly, this offense does not fool the 49ers.

The truth is...if you want to protect an offense from being exposed....you build a great defense and have a dominant ground game. Those things will always travel....especially in the postseason. 7 on 7 drills, run and shoot, greatest show on turf...those are there for highlight shows, selling jersey and tickets and the regular season. Don't get me wrong...I enjoy it. But bad weather, an off day, you run into the wrong team....if it's the regular season...you shrug your shoulders and say I see you next week. But those conditions happen in the playoffs...you are cleaning out your locker. And that is what happened to us. Again.

And for the record....receivers are running open all day all across the league. Does your QB see them? Does you QB have time to throw it to them? Does your QB have the arm talent to get it to them even if he has time and see's them? There is so much more to the passing game than WRs being open.