Hardy insists he's innocent until proven guilty

[Swanny]

this is a huge distraction they should of never signed him the return on the investment is just not very good.

4 Sack and an INT!! He has mad ea big difference. He is worth the distraction.

 

[tyke1doe]

I understand he feels the need to defend himself, but he really really needs to shut up right about now.

Exactly!

That said, him changing his Twitter bio line is hardly "insisting innocence" to the point it requires a bunch of more commentary from the media that is so desperate to cling the story.

Hardy doesn't understand that even using that phrase opens him up to more criticism and implies that there is grounds to prove that he is guilty.

If I didn't beat, strike, push, squeeze so tightly that I bruised Holder, I wouldn't be publishing statements like "Innocent until proven guilty." I would be saying "Innocent - PERIOD!"

 

[tyke1doe]

smh...

You did see the pictures right? Of Nicole Holder? Bruises all over her body?

Those weren't bruises they were love marks.

C'mon man...even if she instigated the fight-- a man who is 280lbs has no business throwing around a woman. Ever. I swear-- if Hardy was signed by the NYG or Philly this offseason most of his "defenders" would be standing up and moralizing about how bad those front offices are for signing a creep.

Yep!

 

[CATCH17]

He needs to shut up about it but i'd love to hear his side of the story as well.

I would love to hear the Photos explained by him.



With the pictures we have all seen, and the type of judge he had in court, that tells me there is more dynamics to this story than a lot of people are willing to admit.

Also, the she got paid off stuff means nothing to me because he could still be prosecuted without her.

One more thing.. This was ruled as a misdemeanor so that tells me this wasn't some kind of Ray Rice beat down. I don't know exactly what he did. There isn't enough details.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

smh...

You did see the pictures right? Of Nicole Holder? Bruises all over her body?

C'mon man...even if she instigated the fight-- a man who is 280lbs has no business throwing around a woman. Ever. I swear-- if Hardy was signed by the NYG or Philly this offseason most of his "defenders" would be standing up and moralizing about how bad those front offices are for signing a creep.

smh . . . .

You have researched and looked at ALL of the details right?

Nevermind, I already know the answer from your post

 

[RunDMC]

Shut the **** up Hardy. you're not helping yourself moron.

 

[perrykemp]

4 Sack and an INT!! He has mad ea big difference. He is worth the distraction.

Anybody else find it slightly ironic that D Ware was constantly criticized here on CZ for piling up lots of sacks that weren't particularly "impactful" and now you have Hardy essentially in the same boat.

For me personally, it's a total indictment the whole idea that Ware's sacks were somehow not as valuable a other players sacks.

One man, one sack per game (which is 16 for a season and considered top notch) by itself is never going to be ultimate game changer. It takes a heck of a lot more than that...

 

[perrykemp]

Despite Jerry's official pronouncements that they want to resign this guy, you have to really wonder if the Cowboys are going to be willing to pay $13-14M/year to this guy.

 

[cowboys1981]

Focus on producing for this team and not on trying to clear your image. In the world of sports productive trumps all. Let your play do the talking and allow time to filter out this incident. By commenting on it just throws more fuel.

 

[phildadon86]

You can always sue. But he would lose.

Hardy is a public figure and the story is newsworthy. So he would have to prove that the statements are false, and if they are false that the publisher either knew it was false or was reckless with regard to whether it was false.

Its a tough case to win.

Well considering a court found him innocent and his record was expunged the media is stating opinion is fact. That's just the legal aspect of it. The media is essentially going after Hardy saying it happened when they don't know for sure it did.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Jeez, the people saying that Hardy hasn't produced. He is the only player on defense that has, with the exception of maybe Claiborne and he has just been better than most of us expected he would be. Not making impactful plays? He made the int against Seattle that should have been the game winner but our pathetic offense can't punch a gift in.

While I don't like him continuing to post stuff because he is just dragging it out, it is a shame that he is getting crucified for stating the basic principle of our legal system.

 

[Alexander]

Despite Jerry's official pronouncements that they want to resign this guy, you have to really wonder if the Cowboys are going to be willing to pay $13-14M/year to this guy.

They would be bidding against themselves again if they did. Nobody is going to line up and take on a player as toxic as he is right now. The more he does not get it, the cheaper he becomes.

 

[phildadon86]

He needs to shut up about it but i'd love to hear his side of the story as well.

I would love to hear the Photos explained by him.



With the pictures we have all seen, and the type of judge he had in court, that tells me there is more dynamics to this story than a lot of people are willing to admit.

Also, the she got paid off stuff means nothing to me because he could still be prosecuted without her.

One more thing.. This was ruled as a misdemeanor so that tells me this wasn't some kind of Ray Rice beat down. I don't know exactly what he did. There isn't enough details.

Yes exactly. And the funniest part of this whole thing is people forget to look at Holder herself. This isn't her first time getting a settlement out of court.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

He needs to shut up about it but i'd love to hear his side of the story as well.

I would love to hear the Photos explained by him.


With the pictures we have all seen, and the type of judge he had in court, that tells me there is more dynamics to this story than a lot of people are willing to admit.

Also, the she got paid off stuff means nothing to me because he could still be prosecuted without her.

The fact that a woman judge who is very sympathetic when it comes to DV victims only found him guilty of a misdemeanor and gave him probation speaks volumes.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well considering a court found him innocent and his record was expunged the media is stating opinion is fact. That's just the legal aspect of it. The media is essentially going after Hardy saying it happened when they don't know for sure it did.

No, a court did not find him innocent. A judge found him guilty. Upon appeal, his case was thrown out because, in part, Hardy paid Holder to essentially go away.
The case was shaky even so, but Holder not being available to testify basically sunk this case.

So Hardy was not found innocent. In fact, the court's don't even use the term "innocent" in a verdict. It's always not guilty because "innocent" conveys a different meaning, i.e., that you didn't commit the crime.
Not guilty is based on evidence presented in the case, i.e., you may have done it but there's not enough evidence to prove you did it, thus, not guilty of the charges presented against you in this case.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes exactly. And the funniest part of this whole thing is people forget to look at Holder herself. This isn't her first time getting a settlement out of court.

People don't look at Holder because she is who she is, a celebrity hound, cokehead, gold digger. And she's not in the spotlight.

If Holder had a Reality TV show maybe more would be made of her. But she's out-of-sight-out-of-mind. If Hardy went out-of-sight-out-of-mind then few would be making a big deal about him either. But he plays on the most popular team in American sports.

Again, let's not be naïve as to why Hardy is getting the attention he is and Holder is not.

 

[DFWJC]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dy-dubs-himself-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

Just smh... This story just won't die

Yeah...wish it would just fade away. Oh well.

I do think that's why he hasn't come forward and outright apologized. He thinks much of what she told them was fabricated and sensationalized.
Don't know if he's right, but I've always felt that is how he feels.

That's why so many people saying he needs to apologize and get therapy may be missing the point (in his mind) that there is some chance things didn't go just as she said they did.
In any case, I also think (right for wrong) that he feels he doesn't have a problem and there is not threat that he would ever have DV issues going forward.
I mean, all those people at the party and not one really corroborated her story.
Those bruises came from somewhere though.

 

[CATCH17]

No, a court did not find him innocent. A judge found him guilty. Upon appeal, his case was thrown out because, in part, Hardy paid Holder to essentially go away.
The case was shaky even so, but Holder not being available to testify basically sunk this case.

So Hardy was not found innocent. In fact, the court's don't even use the term "innocent" in a verdict. It's always not guilty because "innocent" conveys a different meaning, i.e., that you didn't commit the crime.
Not guilty is based on evidence presented in the case, i.e., you may have done it but there's not enough evidence to prove you did it, thus, not guilty of the charges presented against you in this case.

Allegedly paid her off but it doesn't matter. They can still prosecute Hardy without her.

 

[RS12]

Either A) Hardy is incredibly stupid. B) He has no handlers. C) Both. Adrian Peterson is past it. Why? He let it die.

 

[IAmLegend]

Despite Jerry's official pronouncements that they want to resign this guy, you have to really wonder if the Cowboys are going to be willing to pay $13-14M/year to this guy.

His price tag is lowering by the day. I'd be shocked if a team offered him that much money, considering the dark cloud surrounding this guy right now. I think he could, and likely will be had at a cheaper price b/c of it.