Hardy insists he's innocent until proven guilty

[Sydla]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dy-dubs-himself-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

Just smh... This story just won't die

He needs to really clam it at this point. He's made his feelings known and now should just let it die.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I understand he feels the need to defend himself, but he really really needs to shut up right about now.

That said, him changing his Twitter bio line is hardly "insisting innocence" to the point it requires a bunch of more commentary from the media that is so desperate to cling the story.

Yep exactly right.

He needs to do a sit down interview with a name and defend himself to the point where he describes an escalating argument, followed by an admission that he was wrong in his part of it, shows remorse and vows maybe to get anger management help.

But hanging yourself out there in the wind to twist is a bad decision and I'm surprised the team is letting him do it.

 

[erod]

The team met him at the door this morning, addressed it firmly, and he took it down.

Hardy is tone deaf.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I understand he feels the need to defend himself, but he really really needs to shut up right about now.

That said, him changing his Twitter bio line is hardly "insisting innocence" to the point it requires a bunch of more commentary from the media that is so desperate to cling the story.

I don't think it matters. We're not making the playoffs this season and maybe him daring to say that he's innocent until proven guilty will turn off other teams from looking at him and then we can re-sign him to an affordable contract.





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[phildadon86]

You are guessing what would have happened if he had a "competent" attorney. I may be delusional, but I am not wrong. He paid her off. That is a fact. He was never found innocent, only found guilty. That is a fact. Everybody that has looked into this, from the media, the NFL, the Panthers and Cowboys front offices all believe him guilty. You believe him innocent and cite testimony from a trial that never took place.

I believe that the facts are on my side and wishful thinking is on yours.

Give up yet?

You seem to keep stating she was paid off as a fact. Where is this fact? A "settlement" was reached. That isnt necessarily a bribe. It literally could have been hardys attorney telling her, you story holds no water and i am going to destroy you on the stand, and the DA agreeing with said attorney. There is no "PROOF" that she was "PAID". So stop stating that it is a fact.

 

[Hawkeye19]

smh . . . .

You have researched and looked at ALL of the details right?

Nevermind, I already know the answer from your post

I read the transcript of the 911 call and I viewed the photos and followed the story through the media. Was I there? No. But the fact that a judge found him guilty after looking at the evidence is pretty compelling.

Now-- answer my question: Have you seen the photos? Do you think she just made all this up? Something clearly happened between the two of them-- the cops were called, and she had bruises all over her body.

Any way you want to look at this story-- Hardy was in the wrong. Was she also in the wrong? Sure-- but regardless of what Holder did or did not do-- he still bears responsibility for his choices.

 

[DandyDon1722]

The team met him at the door this morning, addressed it firmly, and he took it down.

Hardy is tone deaf.

How about they meet him at the door with a plan to help him deal with this. For as much money they pay him on the field you would think they could spend a fraction to get some psychological help and public relations assistance with the whole thing.

It the public knew he was in some type of counseling they would chalk all this up to "he needed the help" and the narrative would instantly change. I do not understand any of this.

 

[Miller]

This is the part of the article that states it perfectly

"but those who do surely aren’t engaging in unfair discrimination. They’re merely reacting to the weight of the evidence that has made its way into the court of public opinion, and Hardy’s complete lack of self-awareness has only made that process easier."

Guy is a knucklehead that could have made this transition much easier with even a smidgen of self awareness

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I read the transcript of the 911 call and I viewed the photos and followed the story through the media. Was I there? No. But the fact that a judge found him guilty after looking at the evidence is pretty compelling.

Now-- answer my question: Have you seen the photos? Do you think she just made all this up? Something clearly happened between the two of them-- the cops were called, and she had bruises all over her body.

Any way you want to look at this story-- Hardy was in the wrong. Was she also in the wrong? Sure-- but regardless of what Holder did or did not do-- he still bears responsibility for his choices.

You stated you have followed the story thru the MEDIA. I wont comment on that other than to say thats problem #1. The meditos and presstitutes have conveniently left out the rest of the story. There is plenty of info out there and anybody can find if they really want to know the rest of the story.

 

[Hawkeye19]

You stated you have followed the story thru the MEDIA. I wont comment on that other than to say thats problem #1. The meditos and presstitutes have conveniently left out the rest of the story. There is plenty of info out there and anybody can find if they really want to know the rest of the story.

Other info out there? Links please... and make sure the links aren't news articles, op eds or other commentaries as that would be MEDIA after all.

You still haven't answered my questions: Did you see the photos? Do you believe she is making all this up? Do you believe-- after going through all "the other info" out there-- that Greg Hardy did NOT physically Nicole Holder?

 

[phildadon86]

You stated you have followed the story thru the MEDIA. I wont comment on that other than to say thats problem #1. The meditos and presstitutes have conveniently left out the rest of the story. There is plenty of info out there and anybody can find if they really want to know the rest of the story.

I will start off by saying, i dont condone domestic violence in any capacity. And following the story thru the media is a very big problem. IF you had read any of the documents, or even just read the story from Holder herself you would see holes all over it, holes bigger then our offensive line was opening for Murray last year (sorry i thought that was a good analagy). Its amazing how many people forget about Holder and how this is not her first rodeo doing something like this. Ever see the movie Gone Girl? Its amazing what some women are willing to do to get what they want. Thats all i will say. I have my own opinion on this matter and its probably not well liked or received. Again i will say, after seeing the photos, im still not convinced that was done by a man of Hardys size. I have dated girls that had worse bruising after a game of soccer, never mind being "thrown around and choked" by a man who walks around at almost 300 lbs. Im done with talking about this, personally i dont think he did it, maybe my Canadian mind is telling me to believe in him, maybe im just an idiot, either way, its my opinion and im entitled to it.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Other info out there? Links please... and make sure the links aren't news articles, op eds or other commentaries as that would be MEDIA after all.

You still haven't answered my questions: Did you see the photos? Do you believe she is making all this up? Do you believe-- after going through all "the other info" out there-- that Greg Hardy did NOT physically Nicole Holder?

Of course I saw the photos.

Read the post right below yours, #71, from another poster. I dont have time to provide links. You post here on the internets so I assume you have the ability to use a mouse and keyboard and search.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I will start off by saying, i dont condone domestic violence in any capacity. And following the story thru the media is a very big problem. IF you had read any of the documents, or even just read the story from Holder herself you would see holes all over it, holes bigger then our offensive line was opening for Murray last year (sorry i thought that was a good analagy). Its amazing how many people forget about Holder and how this is not her first rodeo doing something like this. Ever see the movie Gone Girl? Its amazing what some women are willing to do to get what they want. Thats all i will say. I have my own opinion on this matter and its probably not well liked or received. Again i will say, after seeing the photos, im still not convinced that was done by a man of Hardys size. I have dated girls that had worse bruising after a game of soccer, never mind being "thrown around and choked" by a man who walks around at almost 300 lbs. Im done with talking about this, personally i dont think he did it, maybe my Canadian mind is telling me to believe in him, maybe im just an idiot, either way, its my opinion and im entitled to it.

I had an adult neighbor that used to tell me and the other kids in the neighborhood that if "you hang around with pigs you end up in ****." The idea was to choose your friends and people you hang with wisely. Hardy is paying a price for playing in the pig pen.

All the self righteous condemners are not looking at ALL the holes, some of which you mentioned, in this entire situation. There is a reason why this case was dismissed and ultimately expunged from his record.

I do not in any way condone any DV. Nor do I condone lazy, or agenda driven mediot reporting that leaves out pertinent factors. Nor do I condone people/posters making up their minds and condemning a guy because they ignore ALL of the evidence.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Of course I saw the photos.

Read the post right below yours, #71, from another poster. I dont have time to provide links. You post here on the internets so I assume you have the ability to use a mouse and keyboard and search.

Sure-- I could type in a bunch of stuff into the internet to try and find this content you keep referencing-- but, then-- how do I know which articles are the ones YOU are using to form YOUR opinions?

Look-- in the interest of time, please state your answer to my questions (for the 3rd time lol): Do you believe she is making all this up? Do you believe Greg Hardy did NOT physically assault Nicole Holder? What is your position?

 

[31smackdown]

I'm still trying to understand why the outrage over Adrian Peterson subsided or was not talked about more when he was reinstated and then kept on the Vikings roster? Why are people not asking for AP to be kicked out of the league? or any of the other offenders in the league for that matter, some which guilt was more clear? I can only suspect that it's because of the team he plays for being so high profile and really nothing else. Everyone sees the visibility as their platform. If he was a mediocre player for the Browns, this would not be happening. If AP had been traded to Dallas, I can only assume the same media storm would have followed. It's not about the lack of remorse, it's about the size of the audience.

 

[Miller]

I will start off by saying, i dont condone domestic violence in any capacity. And following the story thru the media is a very big problem. IF you had read any of the documents, or even just read the story from Holder herself you would see holes all over it, holes bigger then our offensive line was opening for Murray last year (sorry i thought that was a good analagy). Its amazing how many people forget about Holder and how this is not her first rodeo doing something like this. Ever see the movie Gone Girl? Its amazing what some women are willing to do to get what they want. Thats all i will say. I have my own opinion on this matter and its probably not well liked or received. Again i will say, after seeing the photos, im still not convinced that was done by a man of Hardys size. I have dated girls that had worse bruising after a game of soccer, never mind being "thrown around and choked" by a man who walks around at almost 300 lbs. Im done with talking about this, personally i dont think he did it, maybe my Canadian mind is telling me to believe in him, maybe im just an idiot, either way, its my opinion and im entitled to it.

I don't want to do this song and dance again but I really wish people would stop using this argument like it is somehow legit. Size doesn't matter when it comes to abuse. A majority of men are larger and stronger than their spouses. A great many abused spouses that deal with it day after day are hit and they don't have broken legs, arms, black eyes, etc. In fact many of the abusers know not to make it bad enough where it is easily identifiable and it will be hidden by clothing. Just because Hardy is a big guy doesn't mean he couldn't have thrown her on a couch or thrown her against a wall a bunch and had bruises. The bruises I saw on her back looked bad. I have 3 kids. I'm Hardy size to them. If I took my 3 year old son and was being playful and throwing him in the air and didn't catch him, he'd land and get bruised. Y'all act like he had to go Grizzly Bear on her and knock her head off to constitute abuse. The argument holds no water.

 

[phildadon86]

I had an adult neighbor that used to tell me and the other kids in the neighborhood that if "you hang around with pigs you end up in ****." The idea was to choose your friends and people you hang with wisely. Hardy is paying a price for playing in the pig pen.

All the self righteous condemners are not looking at ALL the holes, some of which you mentioned, in this entire situation. There is a reason why this case was dismissed and ultimately expunged from his record.

I do not in any way condone any DV. Nor do I condone lazy, or agenda driven mediot reporting that leaves out pertinent factors. Nor do I condone people/posters making up their minds and condemning a guy because they ignore ALL of the evidence.

I wont go to the extent of saying a lot of those bruises could have easily been self inflicted, but with a woman like Holder, it wouldnt be a stretch to assume so. At the end of the day, if Hardy did do this, hes a poor excuse for a man.

 

[phildadon86]

I don't want to do this song and dance again but I really wish people would stop using this argument like it is somehow legit. Size doesn't matter when it comes to abuse. A majority of men are larger and stronger than their spouses. A great many abused spouses that deal with it day after day are hit and they don't have broken legs, arms, black eyes, etc. In fact many of the abusers know not to make it bad enough where it is easily identifiable and it will be hidden by clothing. Just because Hardy is a big guy doesn't mean he couldn't have thrown her on a couch or thrown her against a wall a bunch and had bruises. The bruised I saw on her back looked bad. I have 3 kids. I'm Hardy size to them. If I took my 3 year old son and was being playful and throwing him in the air and didn't catch him, he'd land and get bruised. Y'all act like he had to go Grizzly Bear on her and knock her head off to constitute abuse. The argument holds no water.

I agree completely, but again, her story changed almost daily after this incident, trying to coincide with the photos taken. All i am trying to say is believing this woman who has done this before and throwing a guy under the bus who has never once had an incident like this seems like a myopic point of view.

 

[Miller]

I'm still trying to understand why the outrage over Adrian Peterson subsided or was not talked about more when he was reinstated and then kept on the Vikings roster? Why are people not asking for AP to be kicked out of the league? or any of the other offenders in the league for that matter, some which guilt was more clear? I can only suspect that it's because of the team he plays for being so high profile and really nothing else. Everyone sees the visibility as their platform. If he was a mediocre player for the Browns, this would not be happening. If AP had been traded to Dallas, I can only assume the same media storm would have followed. It's not about the lack of remorse, it's about the size of the audience.

It subsided because he apologized, went to a psychologist and said he is learning what he did was wrong and there are better ways to treat his child. He has then played without making dumb comments or making a scene. That's the main difference.

 

[phildadon86]

I'm still trying to understand why the outrage over Adrian Peterson subsided or was not talked about more when he was reinstated and then kept on the Vikings roster? Why are people not asking for AP to be kicked out of the league? or any of the other offenders in the league for that matter, some which guilt was more clear? I can only suspect that it's because of the team he plays for being so high profile and really nothing else. Everyone sees the visibility as their platform. If he was a mediocre player for the Browns, this would not be happening. If AP had been traded to Dallas, I can only assume the same media storm would have followed. It's not about the lack of remorse, it's about the size of the audience.

You answered your own question. The Star on the helmet comes with a lot of media attention, if not, ALL of the media attention.