Hardy Suspension Reduced to 4 games *Merge*

[DallasEast]

You think you know but you really do not. People seem to have a very poor idea of what makes something an opinion, what makes something fact, and more importantly what each means.

When it comes to judging someone I will stick to facts and leave opinion and filling the gaps to appease my emotions out of it.

Truth.

 

[tyke1doe]

Are we STILL arguing over the trial and its eventual outcome?
It's over. It's done with.
If Hardy is truly a woman beater, it will likely happen again. You just don't get "cured" of that without taking drastic steps.

Anyway, although I think he should have gotten 2 games, I think he should take the 4-game suspension. If he fights it, and it lingers into the season, and the judge upholds the 4 games or rules 2 games, we could be well into the season, and we may well need him when the suspensions occur.

I'm sure Cowboys fans would be upset if the ruling came down and we were fighting for home field advantage or a playoff spot.

Having said that, if Hardy feels he didn't do anything wrong and he's absolutely innocent, then I would support him fighting this on principle. But, personally, I'm not convinced he's totally innocent.

 

[kojak]

That's Awesome and I spelled it with a capital A!

 

[dallasdave]

Hey the Cowboys won. Those 4 games will be a small part of the season and Hardy will be fresher for the last 3 quarter of the season and the playoffs.

 

[joseephuss]

That is a ridiculous level of cherry picking, especially from someone throwing stones at every one as being naive.

What you are quoting is the situation if the sole witness/accuser refuses to testify. Even then the Prosecutor can subpoena the girl to testify and (as has been posted a billion times) the girl worked at the same job for months after and posted her whereabouts on Facebook. The reason Holder didn't want to testify was she had perjured herself and was open to a lawsuit from Hardy. The reason the Prosecutor didn't use her as a witness was that she had no credibility.

Its ludicrous to claim that criminal defendants get to veto witnesses in felony trials.

The prosecutor tried to use her as a witness. She disappeared preventing them from having her there at the trial. No one said the defense vetoed the use of her as a witness. The speculation is they had the right to veto her previous testimony if they wanted had the DA decided to try to bring the previous testimony into the trial.

 

[joseephuss]

The two are not mutually exclusive. He is isn't exercising, he's running!

Was the judge in the first case aware of the inconsistencies in Holders testimony?

DA dropped the case because he knew he would lose. It is what it is. You can pretend had he went ahead anyway that he would have won in you like.

The DA thought the chances of losing was very high without Holder being there testifying in court. There can be a big difference between having your main witness there instead of just having to read a transcript of previous testimony. It changes strategy. He obviously thought he had a good case with Holder there. If he didn't he wouldn't have called her to testify or he would have dropped the charges long before they realized she wasn't showing up.

 

[justbob]

Discussion and rehashing the trial is not staying on thread. Bringing up any thing about the case is not on thread. STAY on thread.

 

[Chuck 54]

Maybe Hardy accepts the 4-game suspension; maybe he asks the NFLPA to appeal it on his behalf.
I do believe the Cowboys hope he accepts it. I don't think they are at all upset about 4-games and would likely prefer that over even winning an appeal that reduces it to 2. There's a front office/NFL reason why the Cowboys initially said they respect and support the commissioner's decision originally. At this point, I think Dallas prefers the 4-game suspension over front office/league animosity.

 

[joseephuss]

The sad and amazing fact is that Ray Rice is eligible to play and Greg Hardy is not

Why is it amazing? Rice's case got presented to the NFL long before the Hardy case ever did. While the Rice incident only occurred 3 months before the Hardy one, the cases were handle several more months apart. Rice's initial punishment was announced last July. Rice also served his punishments. Initially he served 1 game of the 2 game suspension. Before he could sit that second game the league suspended him indefinitely. He sat out the remainder of the season as part of the suspension as well as being cut. Up to this point Hardy has not served out any suspension. I can understand the "sad" part, but not the "amazing" portion.

 

[popp1234]

Discussion and rehashing the trial is not staying on thread. Bringing up any thing about the case is not on thread. STAY on thread.

Amen!

 

[CCBoy]

This is where I am...

Hardy is a strong NFL talent. The Cowboys need that talent due a positional need.

Hardy did commit a horrendous act to a woman. That does tint character as seen by a fan.

Although the offense did not arrive at the door of criminal action, at the level of a felony...it did involve deep rooted aspects of integrity. That is a tough road to reacquire.

There have been examples of Stars that over came such integrity issues, and regained respectability. Charles Haley is such a person.

A fan, in his heart, wants to see Hardy accomplish just that, with his set of abilities and hopefully, his own base set of ethics as well.

That predictability, will just have to be earned...and most fans already realize that as well.

Four games suspension, doesn't close the door for achievement or vendication of walking the road by Hardy. But it will have to be an old school walk if redemtion. No other path for fans, than vindication of faith.

 

[lostar2009]

honestly I'd take this and move on.

Yup but if you don't have to why not ???

 

[Rogah]

Is your sister a gold digging coke ho? What's her number?

I don't know about his Gimmetheball's sister, but is the Nicole Holder a gold-digging coke ho? Is that what you're getting at here?

 

[xwalker]

Not true. You either don't know what a grand jury is or you don't know what a bench trial is.

In a grand jury, the accused rarely gets to present a defense. Hardy was allowed to present his defense at the bench trial. Also, a grand jury has a much lower burden of proof. In fact, a grand jury doesn't have any burden of proof at all. They just need to decide if there is enough evidence to proceed with a prosecution. The bench trial has a high burden of proof: beyond a reasonable doubt.

But yeah, besides all that they're practically the same.

Discussion and rehashing the trial is not staying on thread. Bringing up any thing about the case is not on thread. STAY on thread.

Rogah, this post from the mod justbob prevents me and others from responding to your nonsense in this thread. I assume that you can start a new thread on the topic of Hardy's trial, but we cannot discuss it here any longer.

 

[AsthmaField]

So, yeah... 4 games is good.

 

[dallasdave]

So, yeah... 4 games is good.

YES, yes, yes it is indeed.

 

[Rogah]

Rogah, this post from the mod justbob prevents me and others from responding to your nonsense in this thread. I assume that you can start a new thread on the topic of Hardy's trial, but we cannot discuss it here any longer.

I didn't see that mod post. As such, I will stop correcting your errors regarding the trial in this particular thread, and leave that for the other threads.

 

[Nightman]

Why is it amazing? Rice's case got presented to the NFL long before the Hardy case ever did. While the Rice incident only occurred 3 months before the Hardy one, the cases were handle several more months apart. Rice's initial punishment was announced last July. Rice also served his punishments. Initially he served 1 game of the 2 game suspension. Before he could sit that second game the league suspended him indefinitely. He sat out the remainder of the season as part of the suspension as well as being cut. Up to this point Hardy has not served out any suspension. I can understand the "sad" part, but not the "amazing" portion.

Rice officially had his charges dropped because he already went a year without trouble and Hardy just had his first appeal heard by the NFL

How is it possible they have taken 14 months to investigate a one hour argument? If they weren't going to rely on the Courts they could have adjudicated this last summer.

Hardy has already missed 15 games, still has to serve 4 more and still has to be reinstated from the Commissioner's list.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Huge addition talent wise. Getting arguably a top 3 DE for a minimum of 12 games and maybe more. With the additions of also Gregory and essentially Lawrence, you have to assume the DE play and defense overall will be much improved. Fortunately Marinelli is at the helm, so a lack of effort/hustle will not be a problem.

 

[AsthmaField]

lol at everyone who kept saying Hardy would only play 6 games for Dallas.