Has the board come to a consensus on Joseph Randle?

[ghst187]

being one of the people promoting the drafting of a RB this coming draft, I'm not serving an indictment on Joseph Randle by promoting that.
I think there are quite a few potentially franchise RBs in this draft that are more power backs, neither Randle or Murray are power backs (we at least know enough about Randle to say that, in fact Jerry even said they drafted him in part BECAUSE he was similar in style to Murray). On 3rd and 1 situations, we are often still having to resort to passing or stretch-like plays (although that may be some of Garrett's inadequacies). We now have a decent OL that is capable of pass and run blocking, esp if we get Waters back and/or draft or sign another G. Having a power back running behind them generally means we just hand it off and a powerback will, if nothing else, fall far enough forward to pick up that first down. Having a powerback that wears down a defense also helps tremendously with game management (whether it'll help Garrett is another story, but maybe helps his successor). If we manage games better with more power runs, then maybe, just maybe we don't have to watch Romo throw backbreaking INTs in the clutch over and over.
But all this to say, I've not served judgment on Randle yet other than to say, he ain't a powerful, chain-moving runner we can lean on for 25 carries a game. I don't think too many would disagree with that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think that stuff applies to RB's.

I wouldn't invest a draft pick in a RB this year before the 5th round, I think what we've seen around the league is that these guys more or less grow on trees. Hell, I wouldn't draft a RB in the 1st round EVER. It's a complete waste of a valued pick.

I could say the same for WR's as well, actually, with only a few exceptions.

It absolutely does apply to RBs. In the NFL, it's very popular to say that it's the one position that a player can step in and make an impact and that's true, if the player is ready. However, if the player is not ready, IE, needs to be stronger, needs to put on weight, needs to learn the blitz pickup, needs to learn the hot routes, then it's not true. That player needs time in the system and with the strength and conditioning program before he will be ready. Randle is that guy IMO. He needs a full off season before we will know, IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He has one. Do you mean two?

No, he does not. He was drafted in 2013 so he has not had a full NFL offseason with the Cowboys. His first will be this offseason.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Joseph Randle had shown at least something to get some positive feedback over. If he had, we'd be raving about it and teeming with anticipation to see more of him. That hasn't been the case by any stretch of the imagination. When Randle was drafted, we were looking for someone who performed acceptably in every area. What the staff ended up with is someone who is just that -- acceptable at everything but not really exceptional at anything. Can anyone honestly say they're excited about this guy and what he brings to the table? Are we collectively clamoring to see more of him? I'm surely not getting that impression.

IMO Randle has shown enough flashes here and there to warrant a return to training camp and a chance to earn a roster spot. But he must earn it or be cut. I would like to see a late-round RB chosen to compete with him.

 

[coult44]

No, he does not. He was drafted in 2013 so he has not had a full NFL offseason with the Cowboys. His first will be this offseason.

Ok, that's a reach but ok. However, the off season isn't going to make him any faster or more quick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ok, that's a reach but ok. However, the off season isn't going to make him any faster or more quick.

No, it's not a reach but that's your opinion so OK. He doesn't need to get faster and an off season program can certainly improve agility. That's been proven. However, it will help him in the areas he needs to get better at and that's running with power. Running behind his pads. Picking up his blocks on the Blitz package and improving his ability to pass catch out of the backfield.

 

[coult44]

No, it's not a reach but that's your opinion so OK. He doesn't need to get faster and an off season program can certainly improve agility. That's been proven. However, it will help him in the areas he needs to get better at and that's running with power. Running behind his pads. Picking up his blocks on the Blitz package and improving his ability to pass catch out of the backfield.

I just remembered his hurt finger. However I don't believe it cost him that much time, did it? I thought he participated in all team activities from April through the end of the season. If so, then he I'd say he completed an entire offseason. There is nothing they can do until the end of February because of the CBA. So I guess that would leave him March and April.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I just remembered his hurt finger. However I don't believe it cost him that much time, did it? I thought he participated in all team activities from April through the end of the season. If so, then he I'd say he completed an entire offseason. There is nothing they can do until the end of February because of the CBA. So I guess that would leave him March and April.

An entire off season is more then just passing camps etc. It's all the training that goes along with it. All the specialized workouts tailored specifically for each player to improve certain areas of their game and their physic. It's all the work you get in before Rookies report and all the coaching you get in the offseason. That's really when players learn the most about their specific positions.

This is why the Cowboys want all of their players to live in and around Dallas in the off season.

 

[big dog cowboy]

No, he does not. He was drafted in 2013 so he has not had a full NFL offseason with the Cowboys. His first will be this offseason.

Correctamundo.

 

[Verdict]

I believe Randle is worth another year on the Cowboys roster next season, hard to judge a player who hasn't really seen much of the field during his rookie year. But I would not be oppose to drafting running back (inthe later rounds) just because of the uncertainty of Dunbar from injury and lack of production from Tanner thus far

I am not sold on him, but am not firmly entrenched in the get rid of him category (yet). But I would not be surprised to see him get bumped off of the roster this year by a draft pick, or an undrafted free agent.

 

[ternewt24]

Ive watched teams draft RB's every year in the top and have really come to realize that its really not worth ever drafting a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds of a draft because they are a dime a dozen and really only last 2 to 4 good years. I never understood why teams draft and give so much money to a top rb who gets you a couple good season when you see how many decant ones you can fine on free agents to get you by for a lot less money. I woulnd ever draft a rb unless you had like an AP sitting at your doorstep. just my thoughts.

 

[BigStar]

And if we did, count on Jerry to do the exact opposite as well. He needs credit, so he has to go against the grain, even if it's lunacy type going against the grain, not Steve Jobs or Einstein type going against the gain.

Look to Randy Moss

 

[Verdict]

No, it's not a reach but that's your opinion so OK. He doesn't need to get faster and an off season program can certainly improve agility. That's been proven. However, it will help him in the areas he needs to get better at and that's running with power. Running behind his pads. Picking up his blocks on the Blitz package and improving his ability to pass catch out of the backfield.

I was surprised that this year he appeared to have poor vision and didn't appear to make good decisions regarding his runs. He left a lot of yards on the field. I expect him to fail unless he is more decisive in his decision making and displays better vision next year. This is the area that I think will make or break his chances as an NFL running back.

 

[Zordon]

being one of the people promoting the drafting of a RB this coming draft, I'm not serving an indictment on Joseph Randle by promoting that.
I think there are quite a few potentially franchise RBs in this draft that are more power backs, neither Randle or Murray are power backs (we at least know enough about Randle to say that, in fact Jerry even said they drafted him in part BECAUSE he was similar in style to Murray). On 3rd and 1 situations, we are often still having to resort to passing or stretch-like plays (although that may be some of Garrett's inadequacies). We now have a decent OL that is capable of pass and run blocking, esp if we get Waters back and/or draft or sign another G. Having a power back running behind them generally means we just hand it off and a powerback will, if nothing else, fall far enough forward to pick up that first down. Having a powerback that wears down a defense also helps tremendously with game management (whether it'll help Garrett is another story, but maybe helps his successor). If we manage games better with more power runs, then maybe, just maybe we don't have to watch Romo throw backbreaking INTs in the clutch over and over.
But all this to say, I've not served judgment on Randle yet other than to say, he ain't a powerful, chain-moving runner we can lean on for 25 carries a game. I don't think too many would disagree with that.

i agree with you. i think we need a power back. but who is the odd man out if we draft one? randle or dunbar? to me it's randle....he looks like a dime a dozen backs.

 

[khiladi]

Look to Randy Moss

Good point... I never thought about it that way, but that's probably what it was...

 

[TheCount]

It absolutely does apply to RBs. In the NFL, it's very popular to say that it's the one position that a player can step in and make an impact and that's true, if the player is ready. However, if the player is not ready, IE, needs to be stronger, needs to put on weight, needs to learn the blitz pickup, needs to learn the hot routes, then it's not true. That player needs time in the system and with the strength and conditioning program before he will be ready. Randle is that guy IMO. He needs a full off season before we will know, IMO.

I'm not saying we know what he is, I just don't think it's one of those positions where you just gotta give a guy "one more offseason". I think what you're advocating for is just giving him more experience, and that never hurt anyone. I just think the whole "We won't know till he has a full offseason" thing is a bit overplayed.

I certainly haven't made up my mind on Randle, I don't think we even need to right now.

 

[Fredd]

IMO, he has earned the right to compete for a job next season....if he develops, he gets a back-up role....if he stays the same, he could go to the PS, and I can't see too many teams picking up the 4th RB of the cowboys????

 

[sideon]

I don't trust this coaching staff to develop players look at how much they hinder Dez for crying out loud, it wouldn't shock me at all if we cut him and he became a 1,000yd rusher for another team. Until they give him a more substantial role on this team how can anyone make an informed decision?

 

[funkytown]

I dont see much in him, but its hard to judge him already.

5th rounder last year, but wouldnt stop me from drafting a guy this year if someone fell. You need 3 or 4 backs in this league.

Dunbar can't stay healthy and Tanner is a JAG.

Draft a guy and go to war with Murray, Randle, Dunbar, and draft pick.

 

[strasscat]

Still too early to say what he will become but one thing for sure, Andre Ellington and Zac Stacy have what it takes to be starting RB, and they were drafted after him.