Has the Rooney rule helped or hurt minorities?

[Cajuncowboy]

Just wondering. On the surface it seemed like it was needed. But has it helped minority coaches get HC positions? I am of the belief that the ones that are truley qualified will get the jobs. I do not believe that in a time and place where we are today that there is any racisim in hiring for these positions.

I look at a comment from mike Singletary today and he said he was pleased he got the interview but was wondering if it had anything to do with the Rooney Rule.

If it was, then it would be nothing more than a sham and it is disrespectful to the candidates.

If not then he would have gotten the interview anyways.

Maybe it's kind of like affirmitive action. Needed at one point but totaly rediculous today.

 

[DizzG]

I think it was Dungy who said today its caused owners to at least take more time in picking a coach that can lead to better choices.

I dont think singletary was a Rooney rule interview. the Dallas Morning news said today that the NFL had confirmed Dallas already had satisfied that. an all day 8 hour interview certainly was no "token" interview as Michael Wilbon tried to claim.

I dont think owners should be forced to hire a certain person but it is sad there isnt more minority head coaches when I DO believe there are qualified people who havent gotten a chance

College football is even worse and far more embarrassing

however I would say its totally naive to think even today that race couldnt enter an owners mind on his hiring a coach. There have been plenty of qualified minorities that have been passed over by just crap and re-treds

 

[silverblue]

the actual token interviews have not done much good probably, but the league sending a message that it wanted more black coaches was obviously heard loud and clear and had a huge effect. I highly doubt there would be as many black coaches today without that message.

Are there any black owners yet?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

the actual token interviews have not done much good probably, but the league sending a message that it wanted more black coaches was obviously heard loud and clear and had a huge effect. I highly doubt there would be as many black coaches today without that message.

Are there any black owners yet?

I hope you're not proposing a Rooney Rule for owners!

 

[silverblue]

I hope you're not proposing a Rooney Rule for owners!

Of course not, I was just hinting at how much further minorities probably need to go besides just being the majority of players. I am sure it will happen someday. For those with a problem with the current Rooney rule, please ask yourself how you will cope when the Dallas Cowboys are owned by a black person

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Of course not, I was just hinting at how much further minorities probably need to go besides just being the majority of players. I am sure it will happen someday. For those with a problem with the current Rooney rule, please ask yourself how you will cope when the Dallas Cowboys are owned by a black person

I wouldn't have a problem with it. AS long as he brings a few championships, who cares what the skin color is?

Actually that was the whole point of the post anyway.

People who get caught up in all of that trash are kind of hurting their own agenda when they make such a big deal out of it.

BTW, I was being sarcastic. I didn't mean for you take it the wrong way.

 

[speedkilz88]

Where I think the rule did help is that the more these guys get interviews the better(more comfortable) they will get. (If the owners truly go by these interviews.)

 

[smarta5150]

From what I have heard from interviews it really has worked.

Everyone that has talked about it has really been behind it.

 

[baj1dallas]

Just wondering. On the surface it seemed like it was needed. But has it helped minority coaches get HC positions? I am of the belief that the ones that are truley qualified will get the jobs. I do not believe that in a time and place where we are today that there is any racisim in hiring for these positions.

I look at a comment from mike Singletary today and he said he was pleased he got the interview but was wondering if it had anything to do with the Rooney Rule.

If it was, then it would be nothing more than a sham and it is disrespectful to the candidates.

If not then he would have gotten the interview anyways.

Maybe it's kind of like affirmitive action. Needed at one point but totaly rediculous today.

It's still needed but not for much longer. A lot of guys like Lovie and Tony would not be head coaches today without it no matter how deep you bury your head in the sand. The owners were extremely reluctant (as a group) to even consider black coaches. Once they got used to the idea of even considering them, things started to change.

I think the two black coaches of the Superbowl teams this year signifies that the rule has mostly served it's purpose; however to eliminate it would be viewed as a step backwards and an attack on minorities.

 

[AbeBeta]

I look at a comment from mike Singletary today and he said he was pleased he got the interview but was wondering if it had anything to do with the Rooney Rule.

That is so not what he said. Here's the quote

""There are a number of other African-Americans out there that could have gotten this call and did not," Singletary said. "And for me, it's just one of those things that goes along with the territory. If every time somebody called, you sit back and go 'Well, I wonder if this is a Rooney Rule?' For me, every time I have the opportunity to have an interview, I feel very blessed and privileged to have it, and I make the most of the opportunity and I go from there." "

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe it's kind of like affirmitive action. Needed at one point but totaly rediculous today.

That must be why black folks have twice the unemployment rate as white and women earn 76 cents to every male dollar. These #s are great improvements over the situation as it was pre-AA but there is still a considerable ways to go.

 

[Future]

I think its stupid because if a black coach isn't hired it just brings up the "Well he probably never had a chance he was there becuase he had to be" type thoughts in my opinion. I think it causes an unnecessary difference between black and white coaches when in reality they do the same thing, coach. A coach should get a shot at a job based on how their players perform, not because of a technicality IMO.

 

[speedkilz88]

It's still needed but not for much longer. A lot of guys like Lovie and Tony would not be head coaches today without it no matter how deep you bury your head in the sand. The owners were extremely reluctant (as a group) to even consider black coaches. Once they got used to the idea of even considering them, things started to change.

I think the two black coaches of the Superbowl teams this year signifies that the rule has mostly served it's purpose; however to eliminate it would be viewed as a step backwards and an attack on minorities.

I think Tony Dungy had his last two hc gigs before this rule.

 

[adamknite]

I think its stupid because if a black coach isn't hired it just brings up the "Well he probably never had a chance he was there becuase he had to be" type thoughts in my opinion. I think it causes an unnecessary difference between black and white coaches when in reality they do the same thing, coach. A coach should get a shot at a job based on how their players perform, not because of a technicality IMO.

I agree completely. If an owner is so concerned with skin color that he passes up the best man for the job, he deserves what he gets. My question is what about when a team knows before hand who they want as coach. A few years ago with us and Parcells... we wanted Bill Parcells without interviewing anybody based on his records with other teams not because he was white, a team shouldn't be forced to bring in somebody and insult them by interviewing them because they're forced to.

However, It's sad though, because there are probably owners out there with a biased to minority coaches.

 

[WhizKid]

Fact is America has a ways to go before there is total equality...the rooney rule is necessary, but we all hope for the day that it is not, until then it stays and it should...

 

[theogt]

According to Lovie Smith, he wouldn't have his job if it weren't for the rule. Of course, his statement neither confirms nor denies the underlying assertion.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I am of the belief that the ones that are truley qualified will get the jobs. I do not believe that in a time and place where we are today that there is any racisim in hiring for these positions.

Maybe it's kind of like affirmitive action. Needed at one point but totaly rediculous today.

I have talked to you before privately about other things, so everything is cool, but these statements couldn't be more wrong and are very naive statements.

I have seen first hand (within the last few months) someone not get the job solely cause they were black. It happens today, and guess what, it will happen tomorrow.

But sometimes it isn't as obvious as the situation I just stated. An old boss of mine, don't work there anymore thank god, said if he has an applicant come in with cornrows, they won't be hired, period, no matter what else they have to offer. Who, may I ask, has cornrows mostly??

Cajun, maybe you can see it that way cause that is the way you are yourself, a very good thing. But there are a huge amount of people that don't feel that way, but may never admit it. Sometimes its the way they are raised, sometimes they are just ignorant. But they are out there, trust me on that.

 

[theogt]

I have talked to you before privately about other things, so everything is cool, but these statements couldn't be more wrong and are very naive statements.

I have seen first hand (within the last few months) someone not get the job solely cause they were black. It happens today, and guess what, it will happen tomorrow.

But sometimes it isn't as obvious as the situation I just stated. An old boss of mine, don't work there anymore thank god, said if he has an applicant come in with cornrows, they won't be hired, period, no matter what else they have to offer. Who, may I ask, has cornrows mostly??

Cajun, maybe you can see it that way cause that is the way you are yourself, a very good thing. But there are a huge amount of people that don't feel that way, but may never admit it. Sometimes its the way they are raised, sometimes they are just ignorant. But they are out there, trust me on that.

I think it's pretty obvious to anyone looking that racism exists and is relatively wide-spread in general.

However, we're talking about a small set of sophisticated businessmen, that are under tremendous media scrutiny. Whether or not affirmative action is warranted in that circumstance is a totally different ball of wax.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think it's pretty obvious to anyone looking that racism exists and is relatively wide-spread in general.

However, we're talking about a small set of sophisticated businessmen, that are under tremendous media scrutiny. Whether or not affirmative action is warranted in that circumstance is a totally different ball of wax.

I agree that it is a little different, but we are talking about human nature here. We are talking human preconceptions that are inherit in all of us. No matter how sophisticated they are, they still have preconceived thoughts about people, after all, they are human, we all have them.

To think that just because an owner has media scrutiny will keep him from his preconceived notion, is also a little naive. Its their money, and they will spend it on who they want, not what the media wants. Staying politically correct for the media is far different from private preconceived notions effect on what they are going to spend a million dollars on.

BTW, those notions would have more effect with the money coaches get paid. If there are problems with someone getting hired for a minimum wage job, more money just makes the situation worse, especially if it is your money (owner's point of view).

 

[theogt]

I agree that it is a little different, but we are talking about human nature here. We are talking human preconceptions that are inherit in all of us. No matter how sophisticated they are, they still have preconceived thoughts about people, after all, they are human, we all have them.

To think that just because an owner has media scrutiny will keep him from his preconceived notion, is also a little naive. Its their money, and they will spend it on who they want, not what the media wants. Staying politically correct for the media is far different from private preconceived notions effect on what they are going to spend a million dollars on.

I don't agree with this at all. Many believe that race itself is a social construct. At a minimum racism, is derived entirely from social concepts. There's no inherent genetic condition of racism.