Has your opinion of Drew changed?

[Hostile]

please...at the end of 13 years Vinny T's QBR was 80.38 Bledsoe 78... YPA Vinny T 7.49 Bledsoe 6.62
and so on and so on...Vinny T threw more INT's but Bledsoe had more sacks and fumbles...they are just about the same guy

Zax buddy you are talking to a wall. Frankly the dude's obsession is unnerving.

 

[big_neil]

Dallas experience:

Vinny 17 TDs 20 INT 76 rating. 6W 10L
Drew 17 TDs 11 INT 86 rating. 7W 5L

Gee, they're almost identical!

 

[big_neil]

on and so on...Vinny T threw more INT's b

Such as? You were scraping the bucket with YPA never mind implying there is more to your "argument".

 

[Zaxor]

Dallas experience:

Vinny 17 TDs 20 INT 76 rating. 6W 10L
Drew 17 TDs 11 INT 86 rating. 7W 5L

Gee, they're almost identical!

lets see Vinny is what 8-10 years older...

if you are going to continue to be intellectually dishonest than there is little point in furthering this conversation...

good day

 

[Hostile]

lets see Vinny is what 8-10 years older...

if you are going to continue to be intellectually dishonest than there is little point in furthering this conversation...

good day

Told ya.

 

[big_neil]

lets see Vinny is what 8-10 years older...

You were the one who, based on watching Vinny and Drew play for Dallas for one year, suggested Drew was no better than Vinny. Now that you've been proven wrong, let's see it: 20 push ups.

 

[Trip]

You were the one who, based on watching Vinny and Drew play for Dallas for one year, suggested Drew was no better than Vinny. Now that you've been proven wrong, let's see it: 20 push ups.

If you're Bledsoe's son, or nephew, or wife.... just let us know.

I don't think I've ever known of anyone following a single player around and changing teams year to year based on where that individual player plays. Even when Emmitt left, there wasn't a mass exodus by Cowboys to root for Arizona.

Which is it... son or wife?

 

[Givincer]

c'mon, asking if the players surrounding Bledsoe, are overrated, because your boy wonder is struggling, that's just wrong man

I know you like Drew, me too, but c'mon man

I wouldn't agree with him that the players at the skill position are really the problem, but definitely more the line than anything else.

 

[Givincer]

If you're Bledsoe's son, or nephew, or wife.... just let us know.

I don't think I've ever known of anyone following a single player around and changing teams year to year based on where that individual player plays. Even when Emmitt left, there wasn't a mass exodus by Cowboys to root for Arizona.

Which is it... son or wife?

If I had to guess I'd say he just really appreciated what Drew did to turn the Patriots around and then showed his appreciation by following him. He's a guy who actually understands why Bledsoe is struggling that there is logic behind it and it's not just happening because he's hit the magical wall in the season.

 

[Zaxor]

Such as? You were scraping the bucket with YPA never mind implying there is more to your "argument".

I will try one last time...to explain this



Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

TOTAL 222 208 6519 3688 56.6 45189 6.93 89 268 261 408/2946 608 80 75.1 Testy

TOTAL 184 183 6423 3678 57.3 42511 6.62 86 238 192 430/2909 481 89 77.3 Bledsoe

Bledsoe has in his career thrown the ball 96 times less than Vinny T

they both have completed about the same % of passes 56.6 to 57.3

VT has thrown for 2678 yards more at a better YPA of 6.93

VT has thrown for 30 more TD's and 69 more Int's but Bledsoe has 28 more sacks and 37 more fumbles which = 65

so just to be as good as Vinny T... Bledsoe has to throw 30 TD's in his next 96 passes and not have more than a total of 4 sack's/int's/fumbles

In reality Vinny T is the better QB but like I said they both are not good enough to be the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys

 

[TunaFan33]

Wow! It's one thing to have an opinion-if you like Drew, fine. If not, fine as well.

But what's with all these insults?

FWIW-with all these pro/anti-Drew/Parcells/OL threads that are having longer lives than the Energizer Bunny, alot of you are starting to miss the Bigger Picture-their KICKING GAME has been their goat this year, actually.

IF Cortez had made those chip shots in the Skins/Hawks game. IF Cundiff had made that easy one in the Denver game-we would be sitting pretty at 10-2, and all these defense/anti-Drew/Parcells/Pettiti threads would be non-existent to boot. If anything, we may all be laughing and j/k about Tucker's and Pettiti's occasional blunders.

Bottom line-you never leave pts on the field. What if the Colts had Jose Cortez INSTEAD of Mike Vanderjact? What if the Pats had Jay Feely instead of Adam Vineterri?

 

[Zaxor]

Told ya.

I should have listened... I guess he falls into that 5%

 

[big_neil]

but Bledsoe has 28 more sacks and 37 more fumbles which = 65

This is a joke. Sacks are not the QB's fault. That is the O-Line's fault. Sacks and Fumbles do not count toward rating for a reason: if your team lets the Defense touch your QB they are to blame.

Drew would need to throw 30 TDs and 66 INTs in those 96 passes to equal Vinny.

 

[big_neil]

If QB gets his butt kicked every single game and never wins, and another gets his team in a position to win every time but sometimes falls short, they are not the same QB. Drew is good enough to get his team to the brink of the playoffs every year. That doesn't mean he is to blame if they don't make it. Dallas was 6-10 last year, not the SB champs. The arrogance of fans is amazing - just assuming that if another QB were in there that he would make ALL the good plays and NONE of the bad plays. Assuming if Dalls went to OT vs. Seattle that it was a guaranteed win. Blaming Drew for that INT at the end as if that lost the game. Given that only 50% of teams in OT win, Drew only 1/2 lost the game. The defense on the other hand, giving up a 69 TD drive in the last minute really could have won the game with one play.

 

[Zaxor]

This is a joke. Sacks are not the QB's fault. That is the O-Line's fault. Sacks and Fumbles do not count toward rating for a reason: if your team lets the Defense touch your QB they are to blame.

Drew would need to throw 30 TDs and 66 INTs in those 96 passes to equal Vinny.

sigh...if you were a qb and you stood behind your o-line and refused to throw the ball to the open receiver for what ever reason (did not see him/did not like the way he looks/smells bad) and get sacked that is your fault not your o-lines...

Sacks are negative plays...some qb's can avoid them... some can not.. some rather throw int's like vinny T...

 

[big_neil]

What if the Pats had Jay Feely instead of Adam Vineterri?

Exactly. No matter who messes up, given that no QB completes 100% of his passes and passes for a TD every play, there is always room for improvement for the QB, so you can always say "if he had done XYZ they would have won". True, but if he is playing par for the course (and an 86 rating certainly is), asking more is unreasonable.

 

[big_neil]

I understand you think Drew isn't good enough, but anyone who thinks this O-Line is good enough should be lined up for the next round at the firing squad.

 

[Zaxor]

If QB gets his butt kicked every single game and never wins, and another gets his team in a position to win every time but sometimes falls short, they are not the same QB. Drew is good enough to get his team to the brink of the playoffs every year. That doesn't mean he is to blame if they don't make it. Dallas was 6-10 last year, not the SB champs. The arrogance of fans is amazing - just assuming that if another QB were in there that he would make ALL the good plays and NONE of the bad plays. Assuming if Dalls went to OT vs. Seattle that it was a guaranteed win. Blaming Drew for that INT at the end as if that lost the game. Given that only 50% of teams in OT win, Drew only 1/2 lost the game. The defense on the other hand, giving up a 69 TD drive in the last minute really could have won the game with one play.

2004 buffalo finished next to last
2003 buffalo finished next to last
2002 buffalo finished last
2001 NE Brady finished first
2000 NE finished last
1999 NE finished last
1998 NE finished next to last
1997 NE finished first
1996 NE finished first
1995 NE finished next to last
1994 NE finished finished second
1993 NE finished next to last

so not including this year or the year of Tom Brady

Bledsoe finished in his division last or next to last 8 of 11 times...E_I_G_H_T

of eleven...man that is crazy

 

[TunaFan33]

2005 Buffalo is doing FAR worse this year, FWIW.

Like I said-never was a fan of the guy myself, and Parcells shoud have known that bringing back your older players(i.e. Bum Phillips in N'Awlins) almost never works.

But in all fairness-our kicking game has been our goat. Bottom line-never leave pts on the field, we have.

 

[big_neil]

Nice try, but if that doesn't define "figures lie and liars figure" I don't know what does.

2004 buffalo missed playoffs by 1 game
2003 Drew one of 2 teams to beat NE
2002 buffalo finished 1 game behind first
2001 Drew 1-0 in Playoffs
1999 NE started 6-2 before O-line **** the bed.
1998 NE MADE THE PLAYOFFS BUT YOU SAY NEXT TO LAST
1997 NE finished first
1996 NE finished first
1995 NE Drew had separated Shoulder. Subs went 0-3
1994 NE finished finished second (won 7 straight)
1993 NE finished next to last (won final 4 games)