Hatcher believes RG3 gives him best chance to win a Superbowl

[ChooChoo73]

Bahahaha and just to destroy this ridiculous statement even further, here's how your golden boy RG3 faired against Dallas in 2013. Keep in mind he was facing literally the worst Dallas defense ever......

19/39 for 246 yards and an int, no TD's. QB rating of 58.3

Dallas won that game 31-16 by the way.

I guess we have very different definitions of the word "struggled" hahaha

Did you watch the game? Do you remember it being a 1 score game midway through the 4th? Go back and watch it read about it and you will remember or learn that special teams made the difference in this struggle.

 

[AsthmaField]

Dink and donk? lets revisit 2012 when he was healthy...His ypa led the league at 8.14 and had a 65%,so how is that dink and dunk?

Like I said, I watched the games in both his seasons and many of his passes in 2012 were dump-offs or smoke screens where he threw it short and the WR ran a good distance with it. That is simply good play design and good coaching by Daddy Shanahan. He is one of the brilliant offensive minds in football and he did a fantastic job of putting Robert in position to succeed. He got a great running game going to support Griffin and made it where Griffin didn't have to do more than his first read (usually a short, quick hitting pass) and then run if it wasn't open. It was a very smart way to handle a rookie QB, and with Robert's outstanding running ability, Shanahan's use of the pistol was nothing short of brilliant. It completely caught the league flat-footed. It was that brilliant coaching that allowed Washington to slip in to the playoffs in 2012. Once defensive coordinators got prepared for what Shanahan was doing in 2013, the offense and Griffin weren't nearly as effective.

To be crystal clear, yes, I'm saying that the league catching up to the pistol is what killed Griffin's 2013 season... not recovery from his knee injury.

So, you want to revisit 2012? Well, I don't blame you for wanting to completely overlook the 2013 season... it wasn't pretty. Anyway, below is the New Orleans game from 2012 and it is pretty typical of the kind of game Griffin would have as a rookie. Short passes turned into longer passes by the YAC (yards after catch) of the WR's.

Quite coincidentally, this is a game that Commander fans pointed to in 2012 to show how Griffin played great and beat a playoff team from the year before. They failed to mention that they were playing with their interim, interim coach, they were in disarray as a team from Bounty-Gate, and most importantly here, they were playing with a historically bad defense that literally could not stop anyone from doing anything.

Below is the New Orleans game (with each completion for Griffin). It is pretty typical of what I'm talking about:

*Note that of Robert's first seven passes, six of them were completed behind the line of scrimmage (-4, 12, -2, -2, -3, -5, -4) and that the YAC were responsible for the plays gaining any positive yards at all.
*Also note that on Griffin's 88 yard TD pass in the first half, it was completed at 16 yards with the other 72 yards being gained by Garcon.
*Griffin also had other passes of -4, 5, 5, and 6.
* Note that the NFL statistician who put this play-by-play together wrote "short" about the pass on 16 of Griffin's 19 completions. All. but. three.
*Of Griffin's 320 yards passing, 187 of them was YAC, leaving 133 yards as the amount that went through the air. That happens in the NFL and that is fine... but if you are saying the offense wasn't "dink and dunk"... then you are wrong. To keep Robert from screwing up and throwing picks, Shanahan kept a very, VERY short leash on Griffin. He would let him uncork it from time to time... but for the most part, Griffin would throw a little dink/dunk pass and the WR would run for good yardage.


1-10-WAS 32 (14:34) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 88-P.Garcon to WAS 32 for no gain (24-C.White). Pass -4, YAC 4

2-10-WAS 32 (13:58) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin right end to WAS 44 for 12 yards (58-S.Shanle).

1-10-WAS 44 (13:25) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 88-P.Garcon to NO 44 for 12 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass -2, YAC 14

1-10-NO 44 (12:44) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 88-P.Garcon to NO 35 for 9 yards (50-C.Lofton; 24-C.White). Pass -2, YAC 11

2-1-NO 35 (12:00) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 11-A.Robinson to NO 30 for 5 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass -3, YAC 8

3-5-NO 25 (10:03) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 16-B.Banks to NO 19 for 6 yards (50-C.Lofton). Pass -5, YAC 11

3-13-NO 22 (7:52) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 29-R.Helu to NO 19 for 3 yards (52-J.Casillas). Pass -4, YAC 7

1-10-WAS 12 (3:41) 10-R.Griffin pass deep left to 88-P.Garcon for 88 yards, TOUCHDOWN [27-M.Jenkins]. Pass 16, YAC 72 *

2-9-NO 45 (15:00) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass deep right to 83-F.Davis pushed ob at NO 19 for 26 yards (24-C.White). Pass 26, YAC 0

2-6-NO 6 (12:18) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 29-R.Helu to NO 5 for 1 yard (41-R.Harper). Pass -4, YAC 5

3-5-NO 5 (11:37) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 11-A.Robinson for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass 5, YAC 0

1-10-WAS 23 (14:55) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 89-S.Moss to WAS 37 for 14 yards (24-C.White). Pass 12, YAC 2

1-10-WAS 37 (14:17) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 15-J.Morgan to NO 42 for 21 yards (21-P.Robinson). Pass 14, YAC 7

2-14-NO 46 (12:42) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 83-F.Davis to NO 34 for 12 yards (57-D.Hawthorne; 31-J.Murphy).

2-19-WAS 45 (9:18) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 11-A.Robinson pushed ob at NO 26 for 29 yards (27-M.Jenkins) [24-C.White]. Pass 10, YAC 19

2-8-WAS 45 (13:50) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 29-R.Helu pushed ob at NO 34 for 21 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass 5, YAC 16

3-9-WAS 24 (8:14) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 89-S.Moss to WAS 30 for 6 yards (31-J.Murphy). Pass 6, YAC 0

1-10-WAS 20 (6:19) 10-R.Griffin pass short middle to 11-A.Robinson to WAS 33 for 13 yards (27-M.Jenkins). Pass 13, YAC 0

2-13-WAS 17 (2:22) 10-R.Griffin pass short middle to 82-L.Paulsen to WAS 39 for 22 yards (27-M.Jenkins; 54-W.Herring). Pass 11, YAC 11

 

[Section446]

He'd have no better shot with Romo.

 

[dallasdave]

The only chance Hatcher has of winning a super bowl in on a play station.

 

[Proximo]

Did you watch the game? Do you remember it being a 1 score game midway through the 4th? Go back and watch it read about it and you will remember or learn that special teams made the difference in this struggle.

Damn dude. Either you're just trolling now, or reading comprehension isn't your strength.

You stated, and I quote- "have you noticed every game we have played against him we have struggled".

Evidence to the contrary: last time we played your boy RG3 he completed less than half of his passes, threw zero touchdowns and an int, and posted a sub 60 QB rating. All this on the way to losing by more than 2 touchdowns.

I watched that game, and it was RG3 who struggled, not the Cowboys.

Your blind RG3 love is disgusting.

 

[percyhoward]

Hope is not a strategy.

 

[dallasdave]

Hatcher and RG3 redefine injury prone

 

[Redball Express]

and I do not blame hatcher a bit; this was his one chance to make real money.

Me neither.

He earned his payday.

Let's see where it goes without Marinelli as his DL coach.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

These are some of the QB's that had a higher completion percent than Griffin last year:

Matt Cassell
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Christian Ponder
Ryan Fitzpatrick

And 3200 yards... well, Chad Henne threw for more than that as part of that dumpster fire they call an offense down in Jacksonville.

Anyway, you can throw out whatever stat your heart desires, because I watched every game Griffin played... and it wasn't pretty for Washington. Operation patience had better have an even bigger dose of patience because Griffin has a long, long way to go to be an NFL QB.

Speaking of that 3200 yards: I wouldn't be surprised if fully half of that number was garbage time yards that he got when Washington was way behind and the other team was playing soft, prevent defense. I remember the first Philly game in particular. They let Griffin play pitch and catch with his guys for the entire second half.

So if you're big on garbage time yards, poor pocket awareness, short dink and dunk passes to up the completion percentage, and fragility, then it looks like Griffin is the QB for you.

This post is hilarious. Talk about abusing stats and being completely misleading. Cassel (60.2), Henne (60.6), comp pct and Griffin was 60.1 and you state they had a greater percentage as if it wasn't essentially the same.

And if you watched "every game he played" how is that you are unsure if those numbers came in garbage time? Sounds like you either can't tell when a team is playing prevent defense or you actually didn't watch all his games. And for your info, Griffin was most effective and had his highest comp%, highest average YPA, and highest QB rating in the second quarter, not when the game was out of reach.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Like I said, I watched the games in both his seasons and many of his passes in 2012 were dump-offs or smoke screens where he threw it short and the WR ran a good distance with it. That is simply good play design and good coaching by Daddy Shanahan. He is one of the brilliant offensive minds in football and he did a fantastic job of putting Robert in position to succeed. He got a great running game going to support Griffin and made it where Griffin didn't have to do more than his first read (usually a short, quick hitting pass) and then run if it wasn't open. It was a very smart way to handle a rookie QB, and with Robert's outstanding running ability, Shanahan's use of the pistol was nothing short of brilliant. It completely caught the league flat-footed. It was that brilliant coaching that allowed Washington to slip in to the playoffs in 2012. Once defensive coordinators got prepared for what Shanahan was doing in 2013, the offense and Griffin weren't nearly as effective.

To be crystal clear, yes, I'm saying that the league catching up to the pistol is what killed Griffin's 2013 season... not recovery from his knee injury.

So, you want to revisit 2012? Well, I don't blame you for wanting to completely overlook the 2013 season... it wasn't pretty. Anyway, below is the New Orleans game from 2012 and it is pretty typical of the kind of game Griffin would have as a rookie. Short passes turned into longer passes by the YAC (yards after catch) of the WR's.

Quite coincidentally, this is a game that Commander fans pointed to in 2012 to show how Griffin played great and beat a playoff team from the year before. They failed to mention that they were playing with their interim, interim coach, they were in disarray as a team from Bounty-Gate, and most importantly here, they were playing with a historically bad defense that literally could not stop anyone from doing anything.

Below is the New Orleans game (with each completion for Griffin). It is pretty typical of what I'm talking about:

*Note that of Robert's first seven passes, six of them were completed behind the line of scrimmage (-4, 12, -2, -2, -3, -5, -4) and that the YAC were responsible for the plays gaining any positive yards at all.
*Also note that on Griffin's 88 yard TD pass in the first half, it was completed at 16 yards with the other 72 yards being gained by Garcon.
*Griffin also had other passes of -4, 5, 5, and 6.
* Note that the NFL statistician who put this play-by-play together wrote "short" about the pass on 16 of Griffin's 19 completions. All. but. three.
*Of Griffin's 320 yards passing, 187 of them was YAC, leaving 133 yards as the amount that went through the air. That happens in the NFL and that is fine... but if you are saying the offense wasn't "dink and dunk"... then you are wrong. To keep Robert from screwing up and throwing picks, Shanahan kept a very, VERY short leash on Griffin. He would let him uncork it from time to time... but for the most part, Griffin would throw a little dink/dunk pass and the WR would run for good yardage.


1-10-WAS 32 (14:34) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 88-P.Garcon to WAS 32 for no gain (24-C.White). Pass -4, YAC 4

2-10-WAS 32 (13:58) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin right end to WAS 44 for 12 yards (58-S.Shanle).

1-10-WAS 44 (13:25) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 88-P.Garcon to NO 44 for 12 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass -2, YAC 14

1-10-NO 44 (12:44) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 88-P.Garcon to NO 35 for 9 yards (50-C.Lofton; 24-C.White). Pass -2, YAC 11

2-1-NO 35 (12:00) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 11-A.Robinson to NO 30 for 5 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass -3, YAC 8

3-5-NO 25 (10:03) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 16-B.Banks to NO 19 for 6 yards (50-C.Lofton). Pass -5, YAC 11

3-13-NO 22 (7:52) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 29-R.Helu to NO 19 for 3 yards (52-J.Casillas). Pass -4, YAC 7

1-10-WAS 12 (3:41) 10-R.Griffin pass deep left to 88-P.Garcon for 88 yards, TOUCHDOWN [27-M.Jenkins]. Pass 16, YAC 72 *

2-9-NO 45 (15:00) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass deep right to 83-F.Davis pushed ob at NO 19 for 26 yards (24-C.White). Pass 26, YAC 0

2-6-NO 6 (12:18) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 29-R.Helu to NO 5 for 1 yard (41-R.Harper). Pass -4, YAC 5

3-5-NO 5 (11:37) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 11-A.Robinson for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass 5, YAC 0

1-10-WAS 23 (14:55) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 89-S.Moss to WAS 37 for 14 yards (24-C.White). Pass 12, YAC 2

1-10-WAS 37 (14:17) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 15-J.Morgan to NO 42 for 21 yards (21-P.Robinson). Pass 14, YAC 7

2-14-NO 46 (12:42) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 83-F.Davis to NO 34 for 12 yards (57-D.Hawthorne; 31-J.Murphy).

2-19-WAS 45 (9:18) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 11-A.Robinson pushed ob at NO 26 for 29 yards (27-M.Jenkins) [24-C.White]. Pass 10, YAC 19

2-8-WAS 45 (13:50) 10-R.Griffin pass short left to 29-R.Helu pushed ob at NO 34 for 21 yards (41-R.Harper). Pass 5, YAC 16

3-9-WAS 24 (8:14) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin pass short right to 89-S.Moss to WAS 30 for 6 yards (31-J.Murphy). Pass 6, YAC 0

1-10-WAS 20 (6:19) 10-R.Griffin pass short middle to 11-A.Robinson to WAS 33 for 13 yards (27-M.Jenkins). Pass 13, YAC 0

2-13-WAS 17 (2:22) 10-R.Griffin pass short middle to 82-L.Paulsen to WAS 39 for 22 yards (27-M.Jenkins; 54-W.Herring). Pass 11, YAC 11

You wasted all your time writing that long post only to say Griffin threw alot of short passes in 2012, with only one out of his 15 games as evidence. Yet Brady has made a career out of throwing short passes. There is nothing wrong with short passes when the pass is 1) accurate and 2) the correct call for the defensive alignment. The QB has alot to do with whether a receiver can even have the opportunity to get yards after the catch, the accuracy of the pass is the key and Griffin was extremely accurate in 2012. In 2013, his lower body mechanics on his throws were poor, and I blame Shanahan for either not realizing this during training camp or realizing it and not coaching him back to his 2012 form. And he's also the blame for playing him Week 1 against Philly. He should've started Grossman (Cousins was injured), and Griffin shouldn't have played until he could trust his right knee again.

 

[AsthmaField]

You wasted all your time writing that long post only to say Griffin threw alot of short passes in 2012, with only one out of his 15 games as evidence. Yet Brady has made a career out of throwing short passes. There is nothing wrong with short passes when the pass is 1) accurate and 2) the correct call for the defensive alignment. The QB has alot to do with whether a receiver can even have the opportunity to get yards after the catch, the accuracy of the pass is the key and Griffin was extremely accurate in 2012. In 2013, his lower body mechanics on his throws were poor, and I blame Shanahan for either not realizing this during training camp or realizing it and not coaching him back to his 2012 form. And he's also the blame for playing him Week 1 against Philly. He should've started Grossman (Cousins was injured), and Griffin shouldn't have played until he could trust his right knee again.

Hey man... he was the one that took exception to the term dink and dunk. I just showed him the Griffin threw a lot of short passes. It didn't take long at all actually.

If you guys are happy with Griffin after what he showed in 2013, then more power to you man. If Washington was smart, they'd play Cousins.

 

[AsthmaField]

You wasted all your time writing that long post only to say Griffin threw alot of short passes in 2012, with only one out of his 15 games as evidence. Yet Brady has made a career out of throwing short passes. There is nothing wrong with short passes when the pass is 1) accurate and 2) the correct call for the defensive alignment. The QB has alot to do with whether a receiver can even have the opportunity to get yards after the catch, the accuracy of the pass is the key and Griffin was extremely accurate in 2012. In 2013, his lower body mechanics on his throws were poor, and I blame Shanahan for either not realizing this during training camp or realizing it and not coaching him back to his 2012 form. And he's also the blame for playing him Week 1 against Philly. He should've started Grossman (Cousins was injured), and Griffin shouldn't have played until he could trust his right knee again.

And of course you blame Shanahan... all Commander fans do. He is a terrific coach, and I said that in 2012 while he was taking you guys to the playoffs. It is a loss that is going to hurt your franchise.

I also said in 2012 that Shanahan was a miracle worker for what he did with Griffin. It was brilliant coaching and surprising the rest of the league that got him those 10 wins.

You think it was Griffin? ok.

 

[iceberg]

You wasted all your time writing that long post only to say Griffin threw alot of short passes in 2012, with only one out of his 15 games as evidence. Yet Brady has made a career out of throwing short passes. There is nothing wrong with short passes when the pass is 1) accurate and 2) the correct call for the defensive alignment. The QB has alot to do with whether a receiver can even have the opportunity to get yards after the catch, the accuracy of the pass is the key and Griffin was extremely accurate in 2012. In 2013, his lower body mechanics on his throws were poor, and I blame Shanahan for either not realizing this during training camp or realizing it and not coaching him back to his 2012 form. And he's also the blame for playing him Week 1 against Philly. He should've started Grossman (Cousins was injured), and Griffin shouldn't have played until he could trust his right knee again.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/21/biggest-nfl-stories-2013-rgiii-aaron-hernandez/

Dec. 11 — Mike Shanahan benches Robert Griffin III

Griffin struggled through his second NFL season for a number of reasons — defenses had arrayed in different ways to stop him, he wasn’t able to read defenses at the level required because of the lack of an off-season program, and injuries and ineffectiveness plagued his receivers and offensive line. Griffin had thrown just five interceptions in 15 games in 2012, and that total blew up to 12 in just 13 games in 2013. Griffin was not as efficient as a passer or runner, and there were all kinds of things going on behind the scenes. Depending on which report you were reading or inclined to believe, Griffin had ingratiated himself with Commanders owner Dan Snyder, Griffin and Shanahan were not communicating, Griffin’s father had become a divisive presence, Griffin had become a prima donna, Shanahan was practically begging to be fired …. and on and on and on.
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yea, banner year for your boy.

 

[dallasdave]

Hatcher only was healthy one year in Dallas. I'm glad we let him walk, he isn't getting any younger either.

 

[DFWJC]

Funny how everyone gives rg3 crap for being a bad qb,yet he posted a 60% completion and 3200 yrd season with a bad leg while missing three games to romo's 63% completion and 3800yrd season...you guys are in for a world of hurt in 2014..lol

You left out a lot of more telling stats there and I notice you mention that RG3 played hurt but no mention that Romo obviously did too.

Anyway in 2013....

RG3
TD/int= 16/12.
QBrate = 82.2
Team record vs Dallas = 0-2

Romo
TD/Int = 31/10
QBrate = 96.7
Team record vs Wash = 2-0

 

[casmith07]

That's just as well too, because he damn sure didn't have to read our defense last year. It was horrible and he still couldn't manage to win either time. Of course he ended up getting benched late last season, but he had two goes at the Dallas D.

Now the year before the defense was horrible and he did manage to win... barely. Guys were flat out running wide *** open in the secondary during that Thanksgiving game in 2012.

They did a good job of using short passes with picks to get guys open underneath in that game.

That, plus the pistol formation and Rob Ryan's inability to scheme for that defense had us looking silly at all 11 positions on defense for most of the game.

 

[casmith07]

You left out a lot of more telling stats there and I notice you mention that RG3 played hurt but no mention that Romo obviously did too.

Anyway in 2013....

RG3
TD/int= 16/12.
QBrate = 82.2
Team record vs Dallas = 0-2

Romo
TD/Int = 31/10
QBrate = 96.7
Team record vs Wash = 2-0

Really the only stat that matters. lol Skins fans.

 

[Bullflop]

Well, there's nothing like "kissing up" to your newfound sugardaddies.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hatcher believes RG3 gives him best chance to win a Superbowl

What else is he going to say?

 

[skillet98]

Plead how quickly everyone forgets that the Skins were all about MS now he's a bum? He win Super Bowls maybe just maybe he couldn't win with the dysfunction up there in Wash. How quickly he and RG3-13 relationship soured. Funny the other talks about the "hearts" RGME has. Please he's all about himself.

The dysfunction that Mike himself created. I'd love to hear what type of disfunction Griffin caused himself?