Henson's made me a Fire fan

[sacase]

No one is trolling. Don't get mad because you mad a fool of yourself tyring to compare Henson to Elway/Farve. FYI there is a lot of hate going around here. It is not a love fest. Can you imagine if I said QC was better than Henson? I would think I was in hell, the flames would be that hot.

Bullet....Everyone has players they like and dislike for a variety of reasons. I personally would like to get someone who would be a better prospect than Henson. I think he can be a good back up but I think he lacks something special to be a good/great NFL QB. I seriosuly doubt everyone supports every single player on this team. Fact is every Sunday I support the team no matter what or who is playing. That is what a true fan is. Someone who supports the team no matter what, even if they disagree with personnel moves.

 

[DBoys]

That was my sentiment exactly after that play. I mean, I said that when I saw the replay and where and how he threw that ball for TD, since at first it seemed a like a damn good play, but it turned into a wow when I saw the replay.

Yeah it was an awesome play

 

[Zaxor]

No one is trolling. Don't get mad because you mad a fool of yourself tyring to compare Henson to Elway/Farve. FYI there is a lot of hate going around here. It is not a love fest. Can you imagine if I said QC was better than Henson? I would think I was in hell, the flames would be that hot.

Bullet....Everyone has players they like and dislike for a variety of reasons. I personally would like to get someone who would be a better prospect than Henson. I think he can be a good back up but I think he lacks something special to be a good/great NFL QB. I seriosuly doubt everyone supports every single player on this team. Fact is every Sunday I support the team no matter what or who is playing. That is what a true fan is. Someone who supports the team no matter what, even if they disagree with personnel moves.

He attributed a certain type throw to them only...you are the one doing the comparisons...

 

[DBoys]

I'm pleased with how Henson's played in NFLE, and I'm one of his biggest supporters, but let's not get carried away here, gang... he's played 4 games over there, in two of them he played pretty well, in two of them he was mediocre to bad...

He hasn't exactly dominated that league (though some of that is because his OL and WRs aren't particularly good), his completion percentage is still a hair under 60 per cent, and his yards per attempt average isn't that impressive either... let's remember, it's a big jump in talent level from that league to the NFL... I seem to remember that James Whalen, Jeremaine Copeland and Duane Hawthorne all kicked major butt in their time over in Europe, but none of them went on to NFL greatness, did they??

Don't get me wrong, I'm reasonably pleased with his play so far, and as I said, I think his numbers would be better if his receivers didn't drop so many flippin' passes, or his offensive line gave him a little more time in the pocket. But there's a long way to go yet, and I'd like to see a little more consistency in his performance than I've seen to date... thus far, he's been up and down like your average everyday yo-yo...

Some of the things I've particularly liked is his mobility when escaping the pass rush, and just one interception in 86 pass attempts...

Good post

 

[Funxva]

No one is trolling. Don't get mad because you mad a fool of yourself tyring to compare Henson to Elway/Farve. FYI there is a lot of hate going around here. It is not a love fest. Can you imagine if I said QC was better than Henson? I would think I was in hell, the flames would be that hot.

Bullet....Everyone has players they like and dislike for a variety of reasons. I personally would like to get someone who would be a better prospect than Henson. I think he can be a good back up but I think he lacks something special to be a good/great NFL QB. I seriosuly doubt everyone supports every single player on this team. Fact is every Sunday I support the team no matter what or who is playing. That is what a true fan is. Someone who supports the team no matter what, even if they disagree with personnel moves.

No rejoinder to my post? I feel cheated and insulted!

 

[sacase]

No rejoinder to my post? I feel cheated and insulted!

yeah I felt it was beneath me to comment on :

 

[aikemirv]

I could honestly careless if he fails or suceeds. I just don't think he has the talent for the NFL as a startin QB. Big difference betweent NFLE and NFL. I refused to get geeked up over his NFLE play. If he was doing this in preseason games then I would raise an eyebrow.

But yeah, while he made a great play, throwing across your body on the run is a no no and you will get eaten alive in the NFL trying that crap. So while it was a good play in NFLE, it would have been a INT in the NFL. I don't understand what the blind love for this guy is.

I just do not understand this stuff. Please enlighten me. When there is seperation of a WR and a DB and the QB hits the WR with velocity that is NFL caliber, then how can you say that the throw would not be successful in the NFL against their DB's.

NFL QB's make these passes every week with the same velocity and the same seperation. It is not like he is throwing ducks out there, this is NFL velocity with accuracy -(especially in game 4).

On the TD pass in the back of the end zone, you see that in the NFL every week too. The DB's came up with the threat of the scramble and lost the WR behind them, happens all the time , the DB's in the NFL, if they bite on that play, which they bite all the time on Sundays' would not be able to recover and make a play on the pass that Henson made.

That said, like I said in another thread, the schemes and experince of the D's in the NFL are much beyond that of NFLE, and if you want to make the case that his reads are much easier and how his current success in game management and reads will not translate into the NFL success, I can understand that point, but the passes themselves would be successful. You cannot say that they would not be. That does not make sense to me.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I just do not understand this stuff. Please enlighten me. When there is seperation of a WR and a DB and the QB hits the WR with velocity that is NFL caliber, then how can you say that the throw would not be successful in the NFL against their DB's.

NFL QB's make these passes every week with the same velocity and the same seperation. It is not like he is throwing ducks out there, this is NFL velocity with accuracy -(especially in game 4).

On the TD pass in the back of the end zone, you see that in the NFL every week too. The DB's came up with the threat of the scramble and lost the WR behind them, happens all the time , the DB's in the NFL, if they bite on that play, which they bite all the time on Sundays' would not be able to recover and make a play on the pass that Henson made.

That said, like I said in another thread, the schemes and experince of the D's in the NFL are much beyond that of NFLE, and if you want to make the case that his reads are much easier and how his current success in game management and reads will not translate into the NFL success, I can understand that point, but the passes themselves would be successful. You cannot say that they would not be. That does not make sense to me.

Well put and damn good sensible post.

 

[Ken]

Don't forget Keith Davis was NFLE Defensive MVP, I believe... One distinct difference is Henson had/has 1st round pick ability. All he needs is seasoning. Keith Davis has 6-7th round pick ability. There are also judgments that can be made about Henson's leadership ability, decision making, and pocket awareness. Those are the things I am analyzing, not necessarily his statistical success.

 

[RCowboyFan]

One distinct difference is Henson had/has 1st round pick ability. All he needs is seasoning. Keith Davis has 6-7th round pick ability. There are also judgements that can be made about Henson's leadership ability, decision making, and pocket awareness. Those are the things I am analyzing, not nessecarily his statistical success.

And remember, last year, Akili Smith went there and failed there miserably too. Hey however he was, Kieth Killer Davis still was starting FS for cowboys last year.

Heck Lance Frazier started at CB for cowboys in 2004 and now is playing in NFLE. I guess he is going backwards

 

[fortdick]

No one is trolling. Don't get mad because you mad a fool of yourself tyring to compare Henson to Elway/Farve.

Your doing it again. I never compared Elway or Farve to Henson. I simply responded to your statement that throwing across the field was a bad thing. You obnviously hate Henson, so why don't you find Kartr and compare your man love for QC?

Go troll someone else.

 

[Zaxor]

Don't forget Keith Davis was NFLE Defensive MVP, I believe... One distinct difference is Henson had/has 1st round pick ability. All he needs is seasoning. Keith Davis has 6-7th round pick ability. There are also judgments that can be made about Henson's leadership ability, decision making, and pocket awareness. Those are the things I am analyzing, not necessarily his statistical success.

I did a little reporting on Keith Davis when he was there saying he was extremely lucky on at least 4 of the interceptions sorta a Larry Brown type thing... He got MVP not for being good but for being lucky...He did not play all that well I thought but the kid who I thought played well just got a token or two carries in Pre season and was cut..so what do I know

 

[RCowboyFan]

I did a little reporting on Keith Davis when he was there saying he was extremely lucky on at least 4 of the interceptions sorta a Larry Brown type thing... He got MVP not for being good but for being lucky...He did not play all that well I thought but the kid who I thought played well just got a token or two carries in Pre season and was cut..so what do I know

I agree. I watched quite a bit of Keith Davis, and he wasn't all that great as the award indicates.

Now the guy that truly played well out in NFLE few years ago was I forget the name, DB, who really dominated WRs in NFLE. He went to 49ers later and started for them few games, after he did with Cowboys, I think back in 2002 season. Duane Hawthorne? I think that was his name. I think his problem really was he was too small to hold up to NFL WRs, since he did play well enough, to be at the very least 3rd/4th CB.

 

[Mattsdad]

Have to say..........I have never really paid much attention to the NFL Europe, but Henson has me watching and rooting for the FIRE!

Would love to see this kid develop. I think he has the skills.

 

[silverbear]

I could honestly careless if he fails or suceeds. I just don't think he has the talent for the NFL as a startin QB.

Given that he's had all of one half of NFL play, your powers of analysis are absolutely amazing...

Or asinine... bluntly, none of us has seen enough of him yet to pass any judgement on his ability to play in the NFL...

 

[silverbear]

No it wasn't about seeing him fail it was the fact that that play 9 out of 10 times if going to be a INT in the NFL. Why praise him for that?

The guy's thrown one interception in 86 passes, which suggests that his decision making has been pretty good, for the most part...

It's pretty clear that you have an agenda, some sort illogical anti-Henson bias, motivating your supposedly rational criticisms... it DOES seem like you want him to fail, which is rather silly for somebody who claims to be a Cowboys fan...

It would be a very good thing for the Cowboys if he developed into a solid player, and as I noted earlier, you don't have any RATIONAL reason for predicting his failure... you just seem to WANT it to be that way...

 

[RCowboyFan]

Given that he's had all of one half of NFL play, your powers of analysis are absolutely amazing...

Or asinine... bluntly, none of us has seen enough of him yet to pass any judgement on his ability to play in the NFL...

Yeah, heck, as much of big time supporter I am of Henson, it would be foolish for me to think he will be for sure a good/great QB in NFL. Heck I wont be so sure, unless he plays a full season in NFL, let alone 2-3 games in NFL.

Hey I liked Carter a lot, and it took me 1 1/2 seasons to realize he wont make it. Even then, 2003 he made me pause a bit and start thinking maybe he will make it.

Forget both of them, I thought and still think Bledsoe wont do much here in Dallas. But with signing of TO, eventhough I will be the first one to say, Bledsoe probably wont do it, I have some hopes of strong run in Playoffs if Cowboys make, even though the recent history of Bledsoe is not so good towards end of season. And talk about indecision, I still don't like TO being a cowboys player either

 

[silverbear]

The same argument could be made in the opposite direction. Now that he's got a bit more experience under his belt, let's see the kid perform with a set of all-pro receivers (who can actually get separation and catch the d#*m ball), a serious running game threat, and an O-Line that gives him the time to throw (would that our boys go into this season with all three).

I'll say that while I've been critical of his offensive line too, I rewatched the game early this morning on NFL Channel, and they did a good job of protecting him... then again, Hamburg is statistically the worst defense in the league, so perhaps that factored in to the protection he received...

 

[silverbear]

As a fan, I just do not understand this type of reasoning. How could you not care if a member of the team for which you root every season suceeds or fails?

If you extend this attitude to every member of the team, you are not truly a fan ... more of an "ambiv."

Actually, I think he cares a great deal-- I think he really, really wants Henson to fail over there... why that is, I have no idea... the only thing I could guess is that he hates Jerry with a passion, and wants all of Jerry's gambles to fail... and of course, Henson was one of Jerry's gambles...

Or maybe he's really a Skins or Iggles fan, just pretending to be a Cowboys fan... one thing's for sure, it's a poor excuse for a fan who wouldn't WANT Henson to shine over in NFL Europe, because that would be good for the Cowboys...

 

[DBoys]

Well put and damn good sensible post.

I second that!