Here is the problem I have with Ramsey or Bosa at 4

[RS12]

IMO they have drafted comps to both of these guys in the mid 20's in recent drafts. I would give Ramsey a Brandon Jones comp. Jones who by the way tested out better athletically came in and did an OK job covering slot guys and TEs, not as much covering wideouts with no set position. Most importantly no turnovers something the defense is desperate for.

As for Bosa I would argue that he would have a similar impact as Anthony Spencer (assuming he could avoid marijuana). I see a guy who is stout against the run and gives you maybe 6 sacks a year. Problem is I want better than that from the fourth pick in the draft. I want a difference maker and all I see is possible upgrades from these two. I dont even know if Bosa gives you better than Lawrence last year.

 

[tm1119]

Spencer @261 pounds
20 yard shuttle- 4.43
10 yard split- 1.64
3 cone- 7.14
Broad- 112 inches
Vertical- 32.5
College sacks- 10.5

Bosa @275
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
College Sacks- 26

I don't see any comparison...Pre injury Chris Long is the best comparison to me still. Very good run defender who can get somewhere between 7-13 sacks a year. I'm not saying I'd pick that guy at 4 still for the record...just that Anthony Spencer is not a good comparison at all.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Bosa definitely talks like a stoner...

 

[stilltheguru88]

You cant bring up Ramseys lack of turnovers because he was a corner most of his career which is not what he will play "hopefully". At safety his freshman year he looked amazing. I remember how much this board loved that scrub Kenny Vaccarro but seem to have an issue with a way better player in Ramsey. smh

 

[Rogerthat12]

You cant bring up Ramseys lack of turnovers because he was a corner most of his career which is not what he will play "hopefully". At safety his freshman year he looked amazing. I remember how much this board loved that scrub Kenny Vaccarro but seem to have an issue with a way better player in Ramsey. smh

I think Ramsey is going to translate well into the NFL, the kid has some serious ability.

It should be interesting to see if teams use him at Corner or Safety, sure he may do both for a team at times but his base position will be fun to watch.

 

[RS12]

Spencer @261 pounds
20 yard shuttle- 4.43
10 yard split- 1.64
3 cone- 7.14
Broad- 112 inches
Vertical- 32.5
College sacks- 10.5

Bosa @275
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
College Sacks- 26

I don't see any comparison...Pre injury Chris Long is the best comparison to me still. Very good run defender who can get somewhere between 7-13 sacks a year. I'm not saying I'd pick that guy at 4 still for the record...just that Anthony Spencer is not a good comparison at all.

Spencer's sack numbers are the only big difference and he was surrounded by less NFL talent at Purdue. I think that is what Bosa projects as, a higher drafted Spencer.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Spencer's sack numbers are the only big difference and he was surrounded by less NFL talent at Purdue. I think that is what Bosa projects as, a higher drafted Spencer.

Who will probably wind up suspended at some point

 

[BlindFaith]

Spencer @261 pounds
I don't see any comparison...Pre injury Chris Long is the best comparison to me still. Very good run defender who can get somewhere between 7-13 sacks a year. I'm not saying I'd pick that guy at 4 still for the record...just that Anthony Spencer is not a good comparison at all.

Bosa @ 269
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
40 yard - 4.86
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
Bench- 24

Tyrone Crawford @ 275 (Pro Day)
20 yard shuttle- 4.44
40 yard - 4.78
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 7.09
Broad- 113
Vertical- 33
Bench- 28

Bosa actually reminds me a lot of our own Tyrone Crawford. Exactly why I think Crawford should be moved to SDE.

 

[Aven8]

I have no problem with either one if Wentz and Goff are somehow gone. I will not be happy if they are and we choose another boring corner!

 

[casmith07]

Bill Polian doesn't think Bosa should be a first rounder, FWIW.

 

[Wood]

Spencer @261 pounds
20 yard shuttle- 4.43
10 yard split- 1.64
3 cone- 7.14
Broad- 112 inches
Vertical- 32.5
College sacks- 10.5

Bosa @275
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
College Sacks- 26

I don't see any comparison...Pre injury Chris Long is the best comparison to me still. Very good run defender who can get somewhere between 7-13 sacks a year. I'm not saying I'd pick that guy at 4 still for the record...just that Anthony Spencer is not a good comparison at all.

Bosa 4.89 40 scares the living S out of me at #4. Cloney ran it in 4.55. I need more explosion from DE if I am taking him top 5.

 

[CyberB0b]

Bosa 4.89 40 scares the living S out of me at #4. Cloney ran it in 4.55. I need more explosion from DE if I am taking him top 5.

The 40 doesn't test explosion.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Bosa @ 269
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
40 yard - 4.86
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
Bench- 24

Tyrone Crawford @ 275 (Pro Day)
20 yard shuttle- 4.44
40 yard - 4.78
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 7.09
Broad- 113
Vertical- 33
Bench- 28

Bosa actually reminds me a lot of our own Tyrone Crawford. Exactly why I think Crawford should be moved to SDE.

Yep. I don't disagree with you. We didn't have anyone at 3-tech after Hatcher left. We made a desperate move to acquire Melton who didn't pan out. Crawford stepped up and did alright. But he's no All World 3-tech and I don't think he's absolutely better at 3-tech than SDE like a lot of people say. Get a pair of DTs and move Crawford over to SDE. That's what I want.

 

[Kaiser]

Get a pair of DTs and move Crawford over to SDE. That's what I want.

If Hardy isn't resigned and DLaw is moved to WDE, I would rather let Jack Crawford, David Irving and Ryan Russell compete for the SDE spot than move Crawford. The winner of those three competing may be better than a lot of the higher priced FAs anyway IMO.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bosa 4.89 40 scares the living S out of me at #4. Cloney ran it in 4.55. I need more explosion from DE if I am taking him top 5.

lol. Cloney is one of the biggest freaks of nature to come out of the draft. DeMarcus Ware ran a 4.65 who is a generational talent. Jared Allen ran a 4.72. Charles Haley ran a 4.6. Simeon Rice, 4.66, Bruce Smith, 4.7. While 4.8 isn't what the most elite all time pass rushers run, it's not far off.

So, some of the best pass rushers to play the game do not run a 4.55. They start at 4.6 and go right up close to 4.8. You should really gauge what you're saying before you say it. Nobody expects Bosa to be the next Bruce Smith or DeMarcus Ware.

I'm not saying I want Bosa at #4, but to hate him because a 4.8 40 is ridiculous. 4.8 isn't bad for a pass rusher.

 

[tm1119]

Bosa 4.89 40 scares the living S out of me at #4. Cloney ran it in 4.55. I need more explosion from DE if I am taking him top 5.

What the guy above me said about the 40. I'm not worried about my DE's top speed over long distances. Bosa actually had the better 20 yard shuttle which is short area quickness and requires a change of direction. But then again we are/were talking about an all world athlete in Clowney. I'm not claiming Bosa is that, wouldn't even say he's anything special. But good enough to be an affective pass rusher in the NFL? Yeah I'd say so. Michael Bennett is another guy I'd say Bosa is comparable to and he ran a 5.13. Not every pass rusher needs to a lightening quick edge rusher. Take a look at the sack leaders from last year and you'll realize that

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Spencer's sack numbers are the only big difference and he was surrounded by less NFL talent at Purdue. I think that is what Bosa projects as, a higher drafted Spencer.

.2 and .3 in shuttle and cones respectively is not virtually the same. The jumps are also significantly better. Bosa is clearly the more explosive and quick athlete of the two.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bosa @ 269
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
40 yard - 4.86
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
Bench- 24

Tyrone Crawford @ 275 (Pro Day)
20 yard shuttle- 4.44
40 yard - 4.78
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 7.09
Broad- 113
Vertical- 33
Bench- 28

Bosa actually reminds me a lot of our own Tyrone Crawford. Exactly why I think Crawford should be moved to SDE.

The shuttle scores and BJ has Bosa as significantly more sudden in his movements and his 3 cone means his change of direction. That is power off the line and your pass rush move in a nut shell.

You guys posting scores and saying that they are similar baffle me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bosa 4.89 40 scares the living S out of me at #4. Cloney ran it in 4.55. I need more explosion from DE if I am taking him top 5.

40 time does not denote explosion. That would be long speed.

 

[stilltheguru88]

None of the draft stuff matters until we see free agency. For instance, if we sign Eric Weddle and resign Mo then Ramsey wont be picked.