Here is the problem I have with Ramsey or Bosa at 4

[silver]

lol. Cloney is one of the biggest freaks of nature to come out of the draft. DeMarcus Ware ran a 4.65 who is a generational talent. Jared Allen ran a 4.72. Charles Haley ran a 4.6. Simeon Rice, 4.66, Bruce Smith, 4.7. While 4.8 isn't what the most elite all time pass rushers run, it's not far off.

So, some of the best pass rushers to play the game do not run a 4.55. They start at 4.6 and go right up close to 4.8. You should really gauge what you're saying before you say it. Nobody expects Bosa to be the next Bruce Smith or DeMarcus Ware.

I'm not saying I want Bosa at #4, but to hate him because a 4.8 40 is ridiculous. 4.8 isn't bad for a pass rusher.

Demarcus Ware ran a 4.56

 

[Fredd]

these comparison's mean very little to me....ESPN put Bosa's combine #'s up against Watt's, and they were almost exact...and, they both have that motor

 

[starfrombirth]

None of the draft stuff matters until we see free agency. For instance, if we sign Eric Weddle and resign Mo then Ramsey wont be picked.

That would be a mistake... Even with Mo, our CB corp is woefully thin. We have Scandrick, Mo(?), and then who? Everyone wants to cut carr and rightfully so. So, if Carr comes back our CB's still suck. We need Ramsey no matter what.

 

[stilltheguru88]

That would be a mistake... Even with Mo, our CB corp is woefully thin. We have Scandrick, Mo(?), and then who? Everyone wants to cut carr and rightfully so. So, if Carr comes back our CB's still suck. We need Ramsey no matter what.

We arent drafting Ramsey to be a backup which is what he would be if we got Weddle and resign Mo. Mo already let it be known he'll cry/pout and lose focus if hes a backup. (which is why Im shocked so many people are open to re-signing him). I believe Ramsey will not be picked if thats what we do in free agency.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

None of the draft stuff matters until we see free agency. For instance, if we sign Eric Weddle and resign Mo then Ramsey wont be picked.

If Ramsey is best available I still take him. What are you doing with Carr? Scandrick is coming back from year long injury and Jones plays everywhere. I would feel much better with Ramsey, Mo, Scandrick and Jones at CB.

Weddle doesn't fix the safety position. Maybe you put him at SS and Jones or Ramsey at FS. Weddle is starting to get up there in age and wasn't the same player last year

 

[Nightman]

If Hardy isn't resigned and DLaw is moved to WDE, I would rather let Jack Crawford, David Irving and Ryan Russell compete for the SDE spot than move Crawford. The winner of those three competing may be better than a lot of the higher priced FAs anyway IMO.

We have too many SDEs and 3Ts right now. Bosa is just another one.

What we need is guy that can play WDE while Gregory is out and on early downs when he comes back. Someone like GHardy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

these comparison's mean very little to me....ESPN put Bosa's combine #'s up against Watt's, and they were almost exact...and, they both have that motor

Unfair comparison. What JJ has done since his combine is probably unmatched in the league. Does Bosa have anywhere close to the drive of JJ? I highly doubt it.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You cant bring up Ramseys lack of turnovers because he was a corner most of his career which is not what he will play "hopefully". At safety his freshman year he looked amazing. I remember how much this board loved that scrub Kenny Vaccarro but seem to have an issue with a way better player in Ramsey. smh

A corner who doesn't make plays. But we can't bring that up. lol.

 

[stilltheguru88]

A corner who doesn't make plays. But we can't bring that up. lol.

i dont want him at cb.

 

[Redball Express]

IMO they have drafted comps to both of these guys in the mid 20's in recent drafts. I would give Ramsey a Brandon Jones comp. Jones who by the way tested out better athletically came in and did an OK job covering slot guys and TEs, not as much covering wideouts with no set position. Most importantly no turnovers something the defense is desperate for.

As for Bosa I would argue that he would have a similar impact as Anthony Spencer (assuming he could avoid marijuana). I see a guy who is stout against the run and gives you maybe 6 sacks a year. Problem is I want better than that from the fourth pick in the draft. I want a difference maker and all I see is possible upgrades from these two. I dont even know if Bosa gives you better than Lawrence last year.

Bosa reminds me of. Russel Maryland type pick.

Maryland was a deceny player but never lived up to where he was taken in the draft.

This needing DL is understood but I think 4 is too high for him.

Rather see us trade out of #4 and take a RB or WR with our 1st pick and draft defense later.

We need impact players..not more bricks in the wall.

 

[Cowboys1fan]

Wow, first off you're comparing Byron jones to Ramsey because of combine numbers and trying to translate Ramsey's game to the nfl as not enough. Ramsey is a football freak on top of a workout warrior. This kid can play. Jones was a 3rd round football talent that was a combine warrior which rose him up the draft board. Ramsey is the better football player. Great corners don't always have interceptions. Look at Revis. Great corners are rarely thrown at because their man is never open. Interceptions do not define a players readiness or greatness

 

[Cowboys1fan]

As for bosa. Ryan Kerrigan. He would be a nice addition to our team. I would rather have Ramsey although. It'd be great to get Ramsey In the first and jaylon smith fall to 2nd.

 

[QT]

After watching the combine, I would take Hargreaves over Ramsey. Hargreaves has better hands, seems more fluid then Ramsey. Also if you notice, in deep balls, Ramsey doesn't look back at the ball until late, thus putting him in a bad location with the ball.

And I was a big Ramsey fan before the combine.

 

[sureletsrace]

Yeah, let's spend our #4 overall pick on this guy.

 

[fortdick]

I have no problem with either one if Wentz and Goff are somehow gone. I will not be happy if they are and we choose another boring corner!

If Wentz and Goff ar both gone, Tunsil could be there and would be an outstanding pickup, BPA and all that. Tony might play 10 years behind that line, making a QB unnecessary this year.

Hell, with that line Moore might look like Drew Brees!

 

[JoeyBoy718]

People are saying Bosa's numbers are identical to Watt's but they're not at all. They have almost identical 40 times and are about the same height. That's all. Watt was 20 pounds heavier at the time so his speed is more impressive. But look at the other numbers besides the 40. Watt was tops at the combine in every category besides the 40. He also had better numbers than Clowney in everything besides the 40. Even a better 3 cone, 10 yard and 20 yard. Watt is a freak athlete. Bosa doesn't compare. Then again, Watt had a rather unimpressive college career while Bosa had a very good one.

On another note, Byron Jones was superior to Ramsey in every category including the 40 according to his 4.36 time listed on Google. And it's not like Ramsey had a super productive college career. Byron is also top notch in intelligence and character.

 

[AzorAhai]

Yeah, let's spend our #4 overall pick on this guy.

I really don't care that he's saying it, but the fact that he is saying it NOW would definitely give me some pause. This is the week of the combine and you make stupid decisions like that. Players who apply for the draft and can't hold it together for 4 months always scare me.

 

[AzorAhai]

People are saying Bosa's numbers are identical to Watt's but they're not at all. They have almost identical 40 times and are about the same height. That's all. Watt was 20 pounds heavier at the time so his speed is more impressive. But look at the other numbers besides the 40. Watt was tops at the combine in every category besides the 40. He also had better numbers than Clowney in everything besides the 40. Even a better 3 cone, 10 yard and 20 yard. Watt is a freak athlete. Bosa doesn't compare. Then again, Watt had a rather unimpressive college career while Bosa had a very good one.

On another note, Byron Jones was superior to Ramsey in every category including the 40 according to his 4.36 time listed on Google. And it's not like Ramsey had a super productive college career. Byron is also top notch in intelligence and character.

Well Watt is a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT and Bosa is going to be most effective as a 4-3 DE so the comparison is bad from the start. It's popular because they're both white and thats about it.

 

[DogFace]

Bosa will be a classic bust. Ramsey a stud at CB or S. That's who I really want. Last guy I wanted this bad was Mathieu.

 

[Gaede]

Want nothing to do with Bosa at 4. People question whether Jack has it 'between the ears' enough to play MLB. But the question is never asked about Bosa. I see a spoiled college frat boy, certainly not a face of the franchise. I don't see any plus intangibles with this guy, and in the videos I watched, I didn't see much hustle either.

Given the choice between the two, I'll take Ramsey.