Here is the problem I have with Ramsey or Bosa at 4

[Gaede]

If Wentz and Goff ar both gone, Tunsil could be there and would be an outstanding pickup, BPA and all that. Tony might play 10 years behind that line, making a QB unnecessary this year.

Hell, with that line Moore might look like Drew Brees!

If Tunsil is there and the QBs are gone, either draft him or get a load of picks in a trade down

 

[Fredd]

Unfair comparison. What JJ has done since his combine is probably unmatched in the league. Does Bosa have anywhere close to the drive of JJ? I highly doubt it.

This is exactly my point why these combine comparisons mean very little to me...I can't see Bosa doing what Watt has done, ever...I think he is a solid player and wouldn't mind him being on Dallas, but some comparisons are to lesser players, while others are to studs (like Watt)

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Jack jumped over Bozo, and he hasn't even worked out yet.


THE COWBOYS WILL NOT TAKE A QB @ #4 IN THE 2016 NFL DRAFT.



Bet

 

[Rockport]

I'm for trading down a few spots, pick up another second and maybe a 5th. We can have the cake, a QB, and defense too.

 

[bsheeern]

Bosa definitely talks like a stoner...

He talks like one too!!

 

[manster4ever]

Bosa definitely talks like a stoner...

Not a leap of logic considering he got suspended at OSU for smoking pot

 

[jterrell]

Spencer @261 pounds
20 yard shuttle- 4.43
10 yard split- 1.64
3 cone- 7.14
Broad- 112 inches
Vertical- 32.5
College sacks- 10.5

Bosa @275
20 yard shuttle- 4.21
10 yard split- 1.69
3 cone- 6.89
Broad- 120
Vertical- 32
College Sacks- 26

I don't see any comparison...Pre injury Chris Long is the best comparison to me still. Very good run defender who can get somewhere between 7-13 sacks a year. I'm not saying I'd pick that guy at 4 still for the record...just that Anthony Spencer is not a good comparison at all.

Agreed. Chris Long is my comp as well. If you want a Cowboy it is Greg Ellis, not Spencer.

 

[manster4ever]

I'm for trading down a few spots, pick up another second and maybe a 5th. We can have the cake, a QB, and defense too.

I've said this for two months. Trade down to 7th with SF. Let them take Goff or Lynch or whomever they like as they really need a QB. Then take the best Dlineman available: Buckner, Rankins, etc....then take BPA's with the rest of our picks (2nd rounder from SF, 3rd-7th) to address our needs at QB, RB, WR,Safety and LB. That would be a solid draft. IF SF won't trade up there will be other teams that will. Houston, LA, Philly (depending on Bradford's status) all need QB's and although they're further down in the first round we could accumulate that many more picks in the process. We need quality depth on this team, not Goff or Lynch at 4.

 

[Alexander]

You cant bring up Ramseys lack of turnovers because he was a corner most of his career which is not what he will play "hopefully". At safety his freshman year he looked amazing. I remember how much this board loved that scrub Kenny Vaccarro but seem to have an issue with a way better player in Ramsey. smh

I believe he played safety two years and corner last year. Far more productive as a safety.

 

[manster4ever]

Agreed. Chris Long is my comp as well. If you want a Cowboy it is Greg Ellis, not Spencer.

Very good analogy. I liked Greg a LOT...very productive player but as recall he went middle of 1st....Bosa isn't worthy of the 4th pick: at all.

 

[DeaconMoss]

IMO they have drafted comps to both of these guys in the mid 20's in recent drafts. I would give Ramsey a Brandon Jones comp. Jones who by the way tested out better athletically came in and did an OK job covering slot guys and TEs, not as much covering wideouts with no set position. Most importantly no turnovers something the defense is desperate for.

As for Bosa I would argue that he would have a similar impact as Anthony Spencer (assuming he could avoid marijuana). I see a guy who is stout against the run and gives you maybe 6 sacks a year. Problem is I want better than that from the fourth pick in the draft. I want a difference maker and all I see is possible upgrades from these two. I dont even know if Bosa gives you better than Lawrence last year.

Thats why trade down is the way to go

 

[jterrell]

You cant bring up Ramseys lack of turnovers because he was a corner most of his career which is not what he will play "hopefully". At safety his freshman year he looked amazing. I remember how much this board loved that scrub Kenny Vaccarro but seem to have an issue with a way better player in Ramsey. smh

The problem with complaining about Ramsay's turnovers is it means they didn't watch him play live or hardly any of his tape.

Ramsay didn't have a turnover problem, he had an INT problem.
And the INT problem was he dropped sure-fire INTS. So yes he has hands issues.

But he breaks on the ball and he goes up and gets ball at high point generally tipping it away.
He doesn't lose jump balls.--which makes sense with a 41" vertical and 4.4 speed.

Ramsay caused turnovers on tackles and recovered fumbles. He made a ton of plays behind the line of scrimmage.

He's a more natural cover guy than Byron Jones with very similar athleticism.
He was the top broad jump 11'3" and vert over 41" DB and he ran a 4.41 40 at the combine.
Byron ran a 4.40 but at his Pro Day.. he skipped the 40 at the combine.

You could do worse than having these two physical freaks together in your backfield.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Agreed. Chris Long is my comp as well. If you want a Cowboy it is Greg Ellis, not Spencer.

That is the exact comparison I made the other day. He definitely reminds me of Greg Ellis, though not an exact comparison, but the closest I could come up with.

 

[jterrell]

Very good analogy. I liked Greg a LOT...very productive player but as recall he went middle of 1st....Bosa isn't worthy of the 4th pick: at all.

Greg went 8th in a very soft draft and was generally beat up by the home fans because he wasn't Randy Moss.
I think Bosa is probably a 7 to 10 guy but the DE position is so soft at the very top this year.

Bosa will be a good player for you but he's just kind of a Demarcus Lawrence dupe. He's ahead of DLaw coming out but they are about the same guy right now.

The scary thing about Bosa is he's had top notch training and development his entire life. He's probably peaked.

 

[jterrell]

Just to be clear Jalen Ramsay was a much more disruptive player on tape (and the stat sheet/box score) than Myles Jack.
If you advocate for Jack but try to knock Ramsay based on INTs you are pretty far out in the weeds.

 

[Aven8]

If Wentz and Goff ar both gone, Tunsil could be there and would be an outstanding pickup, BPA and all that. Tony might play 10 years behind that line, making a QB unnecessary this year.

Hell, with that line Moore might look like Drew Brees!

Kind of off the subject, but I always thought Aikman would have played another 10 years had we gotten Moss in lieu of Ellis!

 

[fortdick]

Kind of off the subject, but I always thought Aikman would have played another 10 years had we gotten Moss in lieu of Ellis!

Don't think Moss would have prevented the concussions

 

[Vinnie2u]

Not a leap of logic considering he got suspended at OSU for smoking pot

He just got caught. Trust me most college guys smoke. It's part of the culture now.

 

[DCBoysfan]

these comparison's mean very little to me....ESPN put Bosa's combine #'s up against Watt's, and they were almost exact...and, they both have that motor

Except Watt was about 15 lbs heavier.

 

[jterrell]

Except Watt was about 15 lbs heavier.

That was a lazy and stupid article they posted.--the media not anyone here.
Watt was far superior at the combine.
He benched 225 10x more, had 5" more vertical leap and weighed 15 more pounds.

His NFL combine grade was 8.37
Bosa? 6.76

Watt doesn't win based on 40 times, he is insanely powerful. These two are not similar in that regard.