Here you go Jerry

[anava]

Hos, You are making it seem like Jerry doesn't do anything. What does he do? Why is he named GM if he isn't doing anything. Why does it always in front of the camera begging for attention and claiming to make all football decisions including looking at players X-Rays on injuries?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Wade asked for them.

Asked for Campo and Houck? Come on. MAYBE Houck, since they spent one year together in SD, but even that's a stretch. Campo? Please. That is a Jerry move through and through.

Joe D. told Wade. Wade asked for it to happen.

Jesse Holley doesn't belong on an NFL roster. He's only on our roster because of Jerry's reality show. I feel pretty strongly about the fact that if Wade really had a choice, Jesse Holley wouldn't be anywhere near this football team.

Joe D consulted with Boniol and it was decided by the entire staff to go with Buehler. So far, they aren't wrong.

Don't think this was the case either. Early in the season Jerry kept talking about how it was his "gut feeling" to go with and stick with Beuhler. I really don't think Joe D or Boniol would think it wise to just hand him the job without at least SOME competition. It's just not a smart football move. It's a Jerry Jones "You know what guys, I got a gut feeling we should go with this kid Beeler" move.

And is it really working out? He's near the bottom of the league in FG% He's not been terrible, but I don't feel comfortable with him having to kick a game-winner in December in Philly or NY. Do you?

Stephen told him the club would be better off to waive Flo and start Free. The O staff agreed.

I'm talking about the line as a whole. The fact that they spent two picks in the last two years (both on JAGs) on what is probably the most glaring weakness on the team. If that wasn't Jerry's idea, then whoever decided it should be fired.

I do not have an answer to this, but we generally trade down more often than up.

Not "we", Jerry does.

I don't care about this. It is 10 years ago. I got over it a long time ago.

I don't either, but it's just another example of the kind of moves that Jerry makes.

Wade doesn't make trades, but he can ask for a player to be acquired. Who worked the phones for that deal? If you say Jerry you are wrong. Who negotiated the contract? If you say Jerry you are wrong.

Just because Jerry doesn't do the dirty work doesn't mean he doesn't make the decision. I don't care who made the phone call to Detroit to consummate the deal, I care about who decided to do it in the first place. Are we really going to pretend it was anyone other than Jerry? Overpaying (both in trade value and contract) to bring home the underachieving hometown Texan boy is a "Desperate Jerry" move through and through.

 

[craig71]

I don't mean to keep this going, but name me 1 coach who has his offensive coordinator hired for him before he is hired. I'm talking about AFTER there is already a head coaching vacancy.... i.e., it isn't an offensive coordinator being retained?

This could go on forever. You feel Jerry doesn't really have undo influence, I don't agree, and I'll bet there are a whole host of actual NFL people who will agree with me. I will bet there are people actually in the coaching business, actually in playing business (current and retired), and actually in the NFL front office business, who would say that what we have in Dallas is strange.

Garrett wasn't named the OC until after Wade was hired.

Here is the link:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2007...ett-offensive-coordinator/UPI-35281172020281/

"We believe that Jason is one of the bright young offensive minds in the NFL," Phillips said. "He has extensive experience in working with some outstanding offensive coaches through 16 years of professional football, and he is well prepared for this position."


Craig

 

[Hostile]

I don't mean to keep this going, but name me 1 coach who has his offensive coordinator hired for him before he is hired. I'm talking about AFTER there is already a head coaching vacancy.... i.e., it isn't an offensive coordinator being retained?

This could go on forever. You feel Jerry doesn't really have undo influence, I don't agree, and I'll bet there are a whole host of actual NFL people who will agree with me. I will bet there are people actually in the coaching business, actually in playing business (current and retired), and actually in the NFL front office business, who would say that what we have in Dallas is strange.

You are cherry picking one coaching position. I am giving you the entire NFL.

The difference is, I can name you several coaches across several teams who have been there longer than the Head Coach and some are Coordinators.

Giants...Michael Pope has been with the Giants for 20 years to Coughlin's 7. What this means is Dan Reeves inherited him from Ray Handley. Jim Fassel inherited him from Reeves, and Coughlin from Fassel.

Eagles...Juan Castillo, Ted Williams, and Sean McDermott have all been with the Eagles longer than Andy Reid's 12 years there. The first 2 guys 16 years, McDermott, 13. That means Reid inherited all of them from Ray Rhodes.

Commanders...Steve Jackosn, Kirk Olivadoti and Danny Smith all predate Shanny. Olivadoti has been there 11 years and got his start under Norv Turner, Jackson 8 years came in under Spurrier, and Smith 7 years under Gibbs.

You want me to keep going? There are 28 teams left and I promise you every one of them breaks this cardinal rule you and others trumpet and give incoming Head Coaches assistants that they want them to keep.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, You are making it seem like Jerry doesn't do anything. What does he do? Why is he named GM if he isn't doing anything. Why does it always in front of the camera begging for attention and claiming to make all football decisions including looking at players X-Rays on injuries?

Marketing is nothing?

Not in my book.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Here is my formula for fixing the Dallas Cowboys. I magically made billions in the oil business, and have made such an offer to Jerry that he couldn't refuse. So, I'm the new owner, and here I go.

#1 - I am going to hire the best people money can buy for every leadership position in the organization outside of my own. With the money and influence that the Dallas Cowboys possess there is zero excuse for B grade and C grade people in any role. I am going to do my due diligence and then I'm hiring the best GM candidate I can find, and the best coach I can get. I may even conduct a Cowboyszone poll before I do each.

#2 - My head coach will hire his own staff from top to bottom and it will be made clear that players are accountable to the head coach. The head coach and GM will answer to me, but the players no longer have a direct line to the owner, plain and simple. Other than for special occasions I am staying out of the locker room and off the sidelines. I own the team, the GM builds the team and the coach coaches the team. I get to enjoy the winning.

#3 - We are going to be committed to CHARACTER at every level. If a guy is a whiner, quitter, selfish, loser, he's not going to be in the organization, REGARDLESS of who he is. I might bring in Michael Irvin to make a list for me

#4 - The Dallas Cowboys are going to celebrate our history like never before. It will be made plain that we are the New York Yankees of the NFL. (Actually better than that) Drew Pearson will immediately go into the ring of honor along with others who deserve to be there. The Roger Staubachs and Troy Aikmans and Emmitt Smiths and Michael Irvins and Moose Johnstons and Darren Woodsons etc, etc, will be around my team (as the head coach allows), and the current players will realize what made the Cowboys great.

#5 - No one denies that making money is important to me. Football is a business. But no longer are we aiming at producing a playoff team. We are aiming at producing multiple championships. We will be satisfied with nothing less. We will remember 25 straight winning seasons, and all of the division and conference championships we have won, and our 5 Super Bowl titles. WE ARE NOT THE ARIZONA CARDINALS. We are not the New Orleans Saints. We are the Dallas Cowboys and if we can't get it right we won't stop until we do get it right. In other words, FOOTBALL FIRST. Not marketing, not reality TV shows, not all the trinkets we can sell, AND NOT ME THE OWNER. Football, winning, tradition, this is what matters.


Ok.... my dream has ended. I wish Jerry would wake up and make commitments like these. I don't remember who said it, it may have been Jimmy Johnson, but it was something like this. It isn't that Jerry doesn't know what to do to fix the problems, it is that he isn't willing to do it because he wants to be in the middle of it all.

 

[anava]

Marketing is nothing?

Not in my book.

OK, if he is not GM why not hire one?

 

[Hostile]

Asked for Campo and Houck? Come on. MAYBE Houck, since they spent one year together in SD, but even that's a stretch. Campo? Please. That is a Jerry move through and through.

You will believe whatever you want anyway, so go ahead. You are wrong though.

Jesse Holley doesn't belong on an NFL roster. He's only on our roster because of Jerry's reality show. I feel pretty strongly about the fact that if Wade really had a choice, Jesse Holley wouldn't be anywhere near this football team.

It wasn't Jerry's show, but I do agree that he does not belong. Doesn't change who asked for him and why he is there.

Don't think this was the case either. Early in the season Jerry kept talking about how it was his "gut feeling" to go with and stick with Beuhler. I really don't think Joe D or Boniol would think it wise to just hand him the job without at least SOME competition. It's just not a smart football move. It's a Jerry Jones "You know what guys, I got a gut feeling we should go with this kid Beeler" move.

If Boniol had said he doesn't have it to be a FG kicker he would not be kicking FGs. That is a fact.

And is it really working out? He's near the bottom of the league in FG% He's not been terrible, but I don't feel comfortable with him having to kick a game-winner in December in Philly or NY. Do you?

I hate Kickers. I trust none of them.

Just because Jerry doesn't do the dirty work doesn't mean he doesn't make the decision. I don't care who made the phone call to Detroit to consummate the deal, I care about who decided to do it in the first place. Are we really going to pretend it was anyone other than Jerry? Overpaying (both in trade value and contract) to bring home the underachieving hometown Texan boy is a "Desperate Jerry" move through and through.

Again, he ratifies every move, but others do the ground work.

 

[Hostile]

OK, if he is not GM why not hire one?

He has a functioning football savvy front office, a title only placates the fans.

He is not a GM in the same sense as Bill Polian, Ozzie Newsome, Jeff Ireland, and others that have one job.

Why is Stephen on the Competition Committee?

Just think about it before you reject it outright because you don't like the guy as a GM.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Just something to note re: Campo. Jerry suggested Campo after Bowles and those guys elected to go to Miami.

Wade did interview him and brought him onto the staff.

 

[anava]

He has a functioning football savvy front office, a title only placates the fans.

He is not a GM in the same sense as Bill Polian, Ozzie Newsome, Jeff Ireland, and others that have one job.

Why is Stephen on the Competition committee?

Just think about it before you reject it outright because you don't like the guy as a GM.

So your saying Jerry is only the acting GM in title and Stephen is calling the shots? You are going to crush a lot of fans waiting for Jerry to hand over the reigns, including me. :shoot6:

 

[Hostile]

Just something to note re: Campo. Jerry suggested Campo after Bowles and those guys elected to go to Miami.

Wade did interview him and brought him onto the staff.

Facts will be ignored.

 

[Hostile]

So your saying Jerry is only the acting GM in title and Stephen is calling the shots? You are going to crush a lot of fans waiting for Jerry to hand over the reigns, including me. :shoot6:

I am saying an entire staff of people work together to run the Dallas Cowboys and it is not Jerry Jones dictating and everyone else bowing and scraping despite how crazy it is.

No one person is calling every shot. Jerry ratifies what his football people want or ask for.

There is not a GM on this team the same as other teams. Jerry's primary role is make money and he does.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

You will believe whatever you want anyway, so go ahead. You are wrong though.

Houck is a MAYBE as I said. Phillips doesn't bring a Jerry cronie like Dave Campo with him if he's a head coach at any other place. Just wouldn't happen, period.

If Boniol had said he doesn't have it to be a FG kicker he would not be kicking FGs. That is a fact.

You can probably find someone to tell you that JaMarcus Russell can be a Pro Bowl QB in the NFL, that doesn't make it true. Not that I know more than Chris Boniol, but it's up to Jerry Jones to make the right decisions for this football team. Whoever decided to hand the job to Beuhler and not give him any competition made the wrong decision. If it wasn't Jerry's call then it's Jerry's fault for having the wrong guy in place to make that call.

I hate Kickers. I trust none of them.

me too!

And honestly, if Joe D really asked for Holley then he's dumber than I thought, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. There's a reason none of the other guys on that show have even sniffed a training camp, let alone NFL roster. I think what more likely happened is Jerry "suggested" to Wade that Holley might be a good pickup.

Again, he ratifies every move, but others do the ground work.

The idea that Jerry just sits in his office and Stephen comes in and says "Hey, we're gonna do this, can you sign off on it?" isn't flying with anyone.

Not doing the groundwork doesn't mean it's not Jerry's idea. If he says, "We need to go get Roy Williams, Stephen make it happen" - well, Stephen is doing the groundwork, but it's Jerry setting the wheels in motion. Jerry is ultimately deciding to acquire the player and will ultimately decide how much to give up and how much to pay him.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Facts will be ignored.

That's a lot different than Wade "asking for" Campo.

 

[Joe Realist]

Aldo Nova sang about fantasies. Our fans live them.

Super Football Guy approves.

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[anava]

I am saying an entire staff of people work together to run the Dallas Cowboys and it is not Jerry Jones dictating and everyone else bowing and scraping despite how crazy it is.

No one person is calling every shot. Jerry ratifies what his football people want or ask for.

There is not a GM on this team the same as other teams. Jerry's primary role is make money and he does.

So, with all due respect, How do you know more about the Dallas Cowboys front office than anyone else on here? You seem to know that Jerry is just a face and not much more, sorry just can't buy it with as much as he talks and throws himself out there.

 

[Hostile]

So, with all due respect, How do you know more about the Dallas Cowboys front office than anyone else on here? You seem to know that Jerry is just a face and not much more, sorry just can't buy it with as much as he talks and throws himself out there.

I am pretty sure a lot of posters here know there are football people doing stuff in Dallas.

Again, why is Stephen Jones on the Competition Committee?

Here are the entire staff of that Committee?

Rich McKay, Falcons GM
Jeff Fisher, Titans Coach
Marvin Lewis, Bengals Head Coach
Rick Smith, Texans GM
John Mara, Giants Managing General Partner
Ozzie Newsome, Ravens GM
Bill Polian, Colts GM

Stephen Jones, Exec. VP

 

[Hostile]

Not doing the groundwork doesn't mean it's not Jerry's idea. If he says, "We need to go get Roy Williams, Stephen make it happen" - well, Stephen is doing the groundwork, but it's Jerry setting the wheels in motion. Jerry is ultimately deciding to acquire the player and will ultimately decide how much to give up and how much to pay him.

I will not deny for a minute that Jerry wanted Roy Williams. Roy visited Dallas Training Camp his last year at Texas and begged Jerry to draft him. He told his agent the only team he wanted to play for was Dallas and his agent and Jerry worked well together.

Others at Valley Ranch were on board. It was not all Jerry and them yelling no.

Stephen Jones worked the final deal with Detroit and the contract.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I will not deny for a minute that Jerry wanted Roy Williams. Roy visited Dallas Training Camp his last year at Texas and begged Jerry to draft him. He told his agent the only team he wanted to play for was Dallas and his agent and Jerry worked well together.

Others at Valley Ranch were on board. It was not all Jerry and them yelling no.

Stephen Jones worked the final deal with Detroit and the contract.

But how much would it really matter if they all weren't on board? When Jerry wants something, he's going to get it.