Here's The Latest T.O. Update I've Received

Ashwynn

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TX Cowboy said:
We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has
Yes! We are. By far. Must protect the star.

Did not mean to go Cowboy poet on you there, but man, we will get a receiver and a few more olinemen. My god, you realize free agency goes till like august right. We have not had Aprils or Mays cuts yet, any roster bonuses coming due then? We have not had June 1 cuts yets. Who knows who is going to become available ove this time frame.

My god, cause we are not a set team ready to roll into the draft on March 16th, we might as well sell our soles to the devil and hope he can fix what Jones is working on? Is that what I am hearing?

Just an FYI also, Common players are getting huge money. Look at Snyder. Hes spent, and has 3 recievers and another SS to show for it. Did they pick up a QB somewhere too? But hes out of the game now. They are set for the draft.

When players get released, we will be there ready to scope em out and offer then a reasonable market value. Not over pay for a common player. Jones has the right idea here, go on vacation and let the Snyders blow their wads, come back and cherry pick the best values.
 

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I don't buy this rumor one bit. No way Dallas trades for TO when they know he gets released.

Anyone can see Rosenhaus would test the open market and use that to drive up the price on Dallas. Dallas is in complete control and hold all the cards. TO is in for a rude awakening.
 

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First,the issue is that you cannot expect to ground a valid TO criticism on money matters in some type of general type of appeal to "ethics" which begs the question who's ethics? Something being "conducive" to an abstract notion of "ethics" is meaningless to this discussion on those terms. However, there are some general policies and standards in place, though not precise and established enough that can be understood as NFL community standards. However, this in no way should be understood as abstract notion of civic "ethical standards" as defined by those outside the league.

The problem is that there are not generally practiced "norms" (abstract) by which all players, owners and agents follow on a regular basis. There are some disciplinary measures provided for certain offenses but then there are gross offenses that are overlooked. You are correct in admitting the NFL is not "conducive" to some type of "ethical behavior" because the genesis of modern notions of the game do not reflect civil soceity as in 1950's culture. Perhaps they once did but instead the modern NFL has its own culture of owners, players and agents that reflect the materialism that many in our contemporary civil soceity covet at large

Look at Karl Poston's offenses, Randy Moss' Agents activities and even Drew Rosenhaus in the TO matter. Look at Jevon Walker and Culpepper demanding to be cut or traded with the threat of not playing if they do get their way. Look at owners cutting players they are contractually committed to simply to circumvent the cap ramifications though not based on performance or worth. Look at older players cut for their age or because a better option comes forth even though they signed long deals. The committed to a contract notion should work both ways to a reasonable measure to avoid these issues but obviously does not.
I disagree that there are not generally practiced norms. The ethical standards to which I referred were not standards "as defined by those outside the league"; they were standards generally (not specifically) adhered to Within the league. They are most definitely NOT the standards expected within Society at large.

Certainly Carl Poston was one of the ones who pushed those boundaries on a regular basis. It is the reason that some teams, the Cowboys included, refuse to deal with him or hire his clients. The fact that some teams will not deal with him does in fact support the idea that there are "standards" of conduct for both players and agents.

The well oiled Captialistic machine seeks to entertain and celebrate success in play and financial gain It is within this culture of glory and cash that many players and owners find mutual success and tension (see the CBA negotiations). I already mentioned how teams can arbitrarily terminate an agreed upon "contract" that they also committed to but that rarely is raised as somehow problematic. Conversely, a player who excells and out performs a time-sensitive contract should not expect some type of reward? The incentives could be a way around this but the contract should be binding on BOTH parties if tension is to be eliminated.

In the case of TO, he was disciplined within the context of the NFL rules that are in place but many times those associated with or guilty of acts such as rape, lude sexual acts, suspicion of covering up murder, spousal abuse and repeated drug abuse are somehow given a slap on the wrist for such henious and detestable "civil" violations. Occassionally, the NFL addresses the matters but it is not with regularity on some of these matters. I do think TO went way too far and should of handled his dispute in a more appropriate manner to be sure but certainly there are much greater offenses that occur that do not receive the same attention that they should accordingly.

The NFL players, owners and organizations should determine not only general but specific "ethical" standards with regard to business operations, contract stipulations and owner/player relations to avoid the TO type episodes. The reason we are having this discussion is precisely because these matters need to be but have not been properly addressed substantially speaking and this leads to tensions often in contractual discussions.

I certainly agree with your point if you define "ethical behavior" in relationship to NFL community standards but you do realize your qualification of the context "cutthroat world" somewhat undermines your appeal to "ethical behavior" to a degree. It is a different world than our civil soceity to a large degree where many Billionares and Millionares abound with much ego and arrogance of players, agents, owners and coaches. There are some NFL community standards in place but I would venture to say they need to be further defined, implemented to ALL parties and furthermore actually practiced. These standards apply to not just a single player but to all players, agents, owners, coaches and officials without preference or difference.
The threat of holdouts and demands for a trade has long been part of the negotiating tools for players. They are countered by the team’s ability to cut players who are either not producing or cost too much against the salary cap. It is after all as we have both agreed a cutthroat business. I am not talking about some utopian ideal here; I am simply saying that there are certain conducts that are unacceptable. If there were not then Owens would have far more teams showing interest and far fewer teams pulling their offers or disavowing their alleged interest.

As far as defining and implementing a set standard and putting it to paper; it is unlikely to happen. This is after all a microcosm of capitalism replete with labor management strife. You yourself pointed out the difficulty of negotiations with the CBA. Can you imagine the can of worms that would be opened by trying to define and agree upon a code of conduct beyond what is already in place? These standards are simply something that will have to seek their own level through actual interaction between players and management. It is this level that I pray management does not allow to sink to a new low by giving in to the likes of Terrell Owens.

We can only hope that the league (through the individual teams) will see it this way. We should hope this for the good of the future of the league.

I agree completely but must say "bold is not better"...lol.:laugh2::laugh1::)
Ok no bold this time...Rack will be so happy :laugh2:
 

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Ashwynn said:
Well let us not forget, Rosenhaus has obstensibly worked for free for two years, expceting a HUGE payday to 'back' pay him for thse two years. No way Rosenhaus lets Terrell sign a $700,000 contract. or whatever vet minimum is these days.

So when you consider Terrell, consider paying his agent for those two years of free service.

Just another negitive in the Terrell saga!

Good point that does trouble me...

But Sign T.O. Anyways!:D
 

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Thanks DLCassidy


so, always listen to lspain1. He's wise, thoughtful, handsome to women, and above all, modest!:D

A regular legend in his own mind... :bow: :lmao2:
 

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parcellswaterboy said:
Maybe it's the best thing that can happen for us all around.

Well, except for the number of Chicken Littles who will wind up institutionalized after their nervous breakdowns... :banghead:
 

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DBoys said:
I don't buy this rumor one bit. No way Dallas trades for TO when they know he gets released.

Anyone can see Rosenhaus would test the open market and use that to drive up the price on Dallas. Dallas is in complete control and hold all the cards. TO is in for a rude awakening.
We did for Keyshawn.
 

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silverbear said:
Well, except for the number of Chicken Littles who will wind up institutionalized after their nervous breakdowns... :banghead:

I think you're the One that's going to have a Nervous Breakdown if we sign Owens!:D
 

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ConcordCowboy said:
I think you're the One that's going to have a Nervous Breakdown if we sign Owens!:D

Naw, not a nervous breakdown... but in the first few hours after that disaster, I might well be at risk of having a stroke...

I GIVE nervous breakdowns, I don't HAVE them... LOL...
 
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