Here's The Latest T.O. Update I've Received

[speedkilz88]

OK, we get it-- you don't believe CaptainAmerica...

Now, could you kindly give it a rest, and let those of us who ARE interested in even wild rumors think about what the guy had to say??

Has it occurred to you that the Iggles' front office might be passing out disinformation, lest their fan base get pissed that TO was released when they could have gotten a draft pick for him?? Further, has it occurred to you that maybe the mediots don't know *** they're talking about?? Certainly, we have seen many, many occasions over the years where those yokels were all saying the same things, and they were all wrong...

Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

My thoughts exactly. We can low ball him then pay for it later...Probably when we really need him.

Sometimes the best thing to do is walk away from a deal.

Yeah.... you basically have to give him top dollar and the contract DOES have to have clauses and stipulations(an exit strategy) OTHERWISE I think he knows he aint gettin nothing....

Jerry is the man to get him his big bucks and TO should know that and ride that wave... if he were smart.... and THAT is the big question

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.

Good morning!

speed,

I would just point out that what is officially reported in any major news story is often not the complete story. A lot of things go on that we are never privy to. If you've ever been around an event or issue that became newsworthy, you know that's the case.

Also, it's a matter of semantics. A team like Dallas "inquires" about T.O.,"mentioning" to Philly they might be interested in "working something out" with Philly.

"Well, what do you have in mind?"
"Well, we'd consider something like a 6th, 7th round pick."
"No thanks, we are really not interested in that", (Division rival and all).
Etc. Etc.

You get the gist of what I'm saying. There is a lot that goes on in anything that just never makes the news.

For example, in the CBA negotiations, there was in fact verbal agreement on a deal when they all were in NY that last time. However, at the last second the low revenue guys got cold feet and pulled out. That never made the media reports.
Jerry was never the problem, he was an asset to getting the deal done.That led to Tags extending the deadline and the big owner's meeting in Dallas where they twisted some arms and got it done.

 

[silverbear]

Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.

So, you're saying that you don't believe anything unless you hear it from some "mainstream guy"??

Well, 'scuse me, but I find Chris Mortensen and John Clayton and Len Pastabelly and the rest of them to be JOKES... they get some right, they get way too many wrong... so just because I haven't read from one of the "mainstream guys", I'm not gonna assume it's not true...

But hey, you go ahead and believe your gurus, if you think they're infallible...

 

[Concord]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.

 

[lspain1]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.

I agree with this sentiment (even though I am pretty tired already with the TO 'saga'). If a deal is to be made, I want both parties happy with it. If that means TO needs to test the market then so be it. That's exactly what we did with Keyshawn. Key wanted more money and the Cowboys didn't think it was right, so "Go test the market with our blessing, if it doesn't work out come back and we'll talk." If the Cowboys had dug in their heels they would have had an unhappy player.

You can draw 'bad attitude' conclusions from this and many already have. Folks, this is business. Players want to be paid for their services and I don't blame them. I still think Dallas and TO make a good fit and a deal will come together. We'll see.

 

[vicjagger]

A rumor isn't a real rumor unless you spend $79.95/year to get it from a professional rumor monger.

 

[Echo9]

Seriously one of my sources told me to look out for Miami as a possible place for T.O. to land.

Really? My source has told me that he's gonna be a Packer.
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Of course, my source is just a voice in my head that only whispers in the dark of the night....so take it for what it's worth.
:drunk:

:wink2:

 

[DLCassidy]

I agree with this sentiment (even though I am pretty tired already with the TO 'saga'). If a deal is to be made, I want both parties happy with it. If that means TO needs to test the market then so be it. That's exactly what we did with Keyshawn. Key wanted more money and the Cowboys didn't think it was right, so "Go test the market with our blessing, if it doesn't work out come back and we'll talk." If the Cowboys had dug in their heels they would have had an unhappy player.

You can draw 'bad attitude' conclusions from this and many already have. Folks, this is business. Players want to be paid for their services and I don't blame them. I still think Dallas and TO make a good fit and a deal will come together. We'll see.

Best post in the thread IMO.

 

[lspain1]

Best post in the thread IMO.

Thanks DLCassidy


so, always listen to lspain1. He's wise, thoughtful, handsome to women, and above all, modest!

 

[Doomsday101]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

I hope this is the case and Dallas passes on him, you have an idiot player and an idiot agent that is a bad combination.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.

Good point. Rosenhaus may be saying hey I've now got to see what he's worth on the open market.

 

[Redball Express]

Maybe it's the best thing that can happen for us all around.

It let's all the parties involved take a deep breathe and reassess their directions.

If there was a deal in place with Dallas and TO to trade and now that TO is released he wants a different deal, that tells Dallas exactly what we knew going into this.

Anything TO agrees to is subject to change whenever any other player in the NFL gets a better contract.

This is what got the 9ers into a mess with him and then the Iggles.

TO will not and cannot honor his contracts.

I'm also doubtful about giving all this money involved to a player that only played half a season and coming off an injury from the previous year.

As I recall, he played in that 1st game we played the Iggles in last year and he was a non-factor.

So do we really jump off a cliff with wanting him if he's not the player he was before the ankle injury in 2004 and he's still not capable of honoring his contracts or implied contracts..?

I'd say not.

BP and company will immediately do an about face and look for other opportunities in FA or the Draft or both.

Or even by trade if something shakes loose.

Key might be an option. But I think he's going to go somewhere else after all this has happened. Returning to Dallas after being released just doesn't sound like his style.

And the contract demands he left on the table before his departure in Dallas or threats to retire will still be an impediment.

Look, I don't think this changes all that much for us for 2006.

We definitely needed to get younger at WR. Maybe the Dallas braintrust finally agrees now.

And maybe they are looking at moving towards resolving that quickly rather than later.

Yeah..!!

I'd like us to draft a young WR #1 or #2 if the value is better and get that done and then sign a guy like Moulds if he gets free or somebody else that might drop from the sky after other teams draft and have to cut their current WR's when they draft.

If this TO thing drags out, I think Dallas starts to look at other options and this TO panic attack starts to cool quickly.

I'm not going to freak.

You have to also wonder this.

Does Dallas think that Crayton was going to challenge Key anyway this season..?

His name hasn't been mentioned too much at Key's departure, but I wonder if that's because they hope he can step up but don't want to put the spotlight on him yet and place additional pressure on him at this point.

We had all heard that Dallas was wanting to groom him for the possession WR slot anyway for when Key wasn't going to be here.

Realizing his ankle injury last year, is Dallas willing to take a chance that Crayton can do Key's job and just moving him up at this point..?

I haven't heard anybody mention his recovery once the season ended. I'm supposing the Cowboys have the latest reports.

So as we continue to hear that Key's release wasn't connected to TO and that Key's future was in doubt here in Dallas with retirement concerns..

..that makes me beleive Dallas is leaning towards Crayton as a starter and probably drafting a WR to groom and bringing in a vet WR as the #3 guy as backup.

Could the team succeed with Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, Patrick Crayton and a rookie WR..?

I think we could if the rookie WR has skills that could get him about 10-15 snaps a ballgame and have him be the slot WR or split wide and bring Crayton inside to be slot.

Bledsoe is very capable of working with a new rookie WR and getting results.

Look what he was doing with Crayton before he got hurt.

Crayton was a raw as could be in his second season last year and Bledsoe had him playing like a Pro Bowl alternate.

So I think we are still OK at this point. We don't play a game for 6 months.

Good thing.

parcellswaterboy

 

[TX Cowboy]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

Link for proof

 

[Concord]

Good point. Rosenhaus may be saying hey I've now got to see what he's worth on the open market.

Of Course he is...He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.

 

[benny112980]

this doesn't mean we won't sign him. It just means we'll have to sign him to a higher contract than initially thought. I have a hard time believing this update, if Dallas had offered Philly a trade we would have heard about it on NFL Network, ESPN, or at least on one of the major sports sites. It's not like other teams are throwing offers at him, so there is no need for JJ to panic on signing him. TO and his agent are doing what every big name FA does, testing the market before signing.

 

[Ashwynn]

Of Course he is...He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.

Well let us not forget, Rosenhaus has obstensibly worked for free for two years, expceting a HUGE payday to 'back' pay him for thse two years. No way Rosenhaus lets Terrell sign a $700,000 contract. or whatever vet minimum is these days.

So when you consider Terrell, consider paying his agent for those two years of free service.

Just another negitive in the Terrell saga!

 

[Gamebreaker]

You guys are better off without this headcase. I guarantee if Bledsoe couldn't get along with Meshawn, he definitely won't get along with TO. Owens has had issues with every QB he's had. If you sign him, it won't be long before he tears your team apart.

 

[TX Cowboy]

You guys are better off without this headcase. I guarantee if Bledsoe couldn't get along with Meshawn, he definitely won't get along with TO. Owens has had issues with every QB he's had. If you sign him, it won't be long before he tears your team apart.

We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has

 

[Gamebreaker]

We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has

So it doesn't bother you, that in all likelihood, he'll make your passing attack better AND in two years split your locker room? That has been his history, and what's he's done for his two teams throughout his career.