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ABQCOWBOY;2599601 said:
I don't think he's terrible. I think he's been in NY, who didn't have a great deal of talent and I think he's been in KC where there was almost zero talent. I think he could be a good HC with the right coaching staff and talent base.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he uses the challenge flags in stupid ways, doesn't manage the clock well at all, and in a pathetically weak division had a team that looks awful despite a bevy of draft picks and a lot of cap room.
 

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Hostile;2599604 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he uses the challenge flags in stupid ways, doesn't manage the clock well at all, and in a pathetically weak division had a team that looks awful despite a bevy of draft picks and a lot of cap room.

And those were his good qualities.
 

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Alexander;2599590 said:
No, restore order and discipline to a talented team that needs it. If Barry Switzer can autopilot talent to a Super Bowl, I am pretty sure a quality coach like Shanahan can too.


Dude, you keep coming up with this different analogies and NONE of them make sense.

This situation is no where similar to when Tuna took over, or when Insignificant Sideline Personel ( aka Switzer ) took over, or when Jimmah Jenius took over, or when any other former Cowboys head coach took over for that matter. As a matter of fact, none them were similar to each other in just about anything except that it involved the Dallas Cowboys.

Mike Shanahan is not the same coach that I.S.P. was, or the same as Tuna, or Jimmah. Shanahan is a hands on coach. Where ever he goes, he's going to control the offense, at the very least, which means he's going to want to install HIS system. At this stage of his career, with all the money he has, he doesn't need to adjust to anybody and the Dallas Cowboys currently don't have the personel to fit Shannahan's system, period.

Could the Cowboys use somebody like him ? Absolutely. If it wasn't for the fact that the Cowboys have 4 out of their 5 starting offensive lineman tied up to long term contracts, and it would be equivalent to just about starting things over, he'd be a great fit. Hell, I wish he was available 2 years ago when Tuna quit. But since reality is different, the Cowboys would be better off looking for somebody in the Bill Cowher mold, for example, who is more of a delegating disciplinarian than a hands on task master.
 

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Randy White;2599637 said:
Dude, you keep coming up with this different analogies and NONE of them make sense.

This situation is no where similar to when Tuna took over, or when Insignificant Sideline Personel ( aka Switzer ) took over, or when Jimmah Jenius took over, or when any other former Cowboys head coach took over for that matter. As a matter of fact, none them were similar to each other in just about anything except that it involved the Dallas Cowboys.

I never said the situations were identical.

I simply used Coach Parcells to illustrate that a veteran quality coach does not always have to have his system from day one. Eventually it can and will get there.

I used the Switzer example simply because it applied. If an ineffective undisciplined coach like Switzer can get a ring, imagine if a disciplined head coach applying his abilities to a team this talented could do. You asked if he can be expected to win a Super Bowl without making adjustments, that is exactly what Switzer did. He brought no system. He brought practically nothing. The talent took over. It is clear this talent cannot do it and needs discipline. That is what Shanahan can provide.


Mike Shanahan is not the same coach that I.S.P. was, or the same as Tuna, or Jimmah. Shanahan is a hands on coach. Where ever he goes, he's going to control the offense, at the very least, which means he's going to want to install HIS system. At this stage of his career, with all the money he has, he doesn't need to adjust to anybody and the Dallas Cowboys currently don't have the personel to fit Shannahan's system, period.

I hate to break this news to you, but every coach worth their salt is "hands-on" and wants to install HIS system. If not, you have a worthless puppet.

Could the Cowboys use somebody like him ? Absolutely. If it wasn't for the fact that the Cowboys have 4 out of their 5 starting offensive lineman tied up to long term contracts, and it would be equivalent to just about starting things over, he'd be a great fit. Hell, I wish he was available 2 years ago when Tuna quit. But since reality is different, the Cowboys would be better off looking for somebody in the Bill Cowher mold, for example, who is more of a delegating disciplinarian than a hands on task master.

How would Cowher be any different from Shanahan? He has his own system and way he wants to do things also.

Under him, Pittsburgh had a trap blocking scheme where guards need to be as nimble as tackles to be able to pull. I guess he could not take over here either because 4 out of our 5 starting offensive lineman are tied up to long term contracts and we would have to just start over.

Cowher would be an even worse fit systemically. He would want the kind of control Jerry Jones would never allow. He would want to bring his own personnel guys with him. That's been made pretty clear and it is one of the main reasons he left Pittsburgh to begin with.

It is very conceivable that Shanahan, like Holmgren, understands now that being a coach/GM is harder than it looks and is willing to partner up with someone like Jones.
 

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Hostile;2599604 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he uses the challenge flags in stupid ways, doesn't manage the clock well at all, and in a pathetically weak division had a team that looks awful despite a bevy of draft picks and a lot of cap room.

Challenge flags and TOs are not the be all end all. I would not call him my first choice but I do believe he demands the things that I believe are important from his players. He's a guy who I believe gets players to play for him. JMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2599670 said:
Challenge flags and TOs are not the be all end all. I would not call him my first choice but I do believe he demands the things that I believe are important from his players. He's a guy who I believe gets players to play for him. JMO.

I tend to agree, he is very much about the players but he's never been called a softie. I don't know that I'd want him as our head coach, but there are worse guys out there.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2599670 said:
Challenge flags and TOs are not the be all end all. I would not call him my first choice but I do believe he demands the things that I believe are important from his players. He's a guy who I believe gets players to play for him. JMO.

TheCount;2599698 said:
I tend to agree, he is very much about the players but he's never been called a softie. I don't know that I'd want him as our head coach, but there are worse guys out there.
If he were the Head Coach here the first time he threw an ill advised challenge flag eyeballs would get sprained people would roll them so fast.

The guy is a great DBs coach, a bad Head Coach. Give me him and fire Campo...I'm on board. Him as Head Coach? I'd honestly rather get kicked in the fellas, and I am not fond of getting kicked there.
 

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Hostile;2599706 said:
If he were the Head Coach here the first time he threw an ill advised challenge flag eyeballs would get sprained people would roll them so fast.

The guy is a great DBs coach, a bad Head Coach. Give me him and fire Campo...I'm on board. Him as Head Coach? I'd honestly rather get kicked in the fellas, and I am not fond of getting kicked there.


I don't know that I'd enjoy a shot to the nards either. However, I do believe there are a lot worse coaches out there. Ther truth of the matter, at least for me is, if we were a team that was well coached, less penalized, better tackling, a team that payed more attention to balance offensively and didn't turn the ball over, I really wouldn't care much about challenge flags. Heck, I do not mind losing to a better team. Don't get me wrong, I don't like losing ever but if we are beaten by a better team, then I can live with that. Losing is part of life after all. If we had a coach who could bring that to our team, then I wouldn't care if they were poor with the read flag. Clock management is a need but if you have a good OC, then you really shouldn't have to worry about that.

Heck, to me there are far more important things wrong with this team then poor challenges or clock management.

But I am with you in the area of protecting the Good Fellas. I think that should be high on the priority list for everybody.

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If Jerry wanted Shanahan it would have been a done deal prior to the Senior Bowl...
 
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