Herm Edwards Fired

[Dhragon]

1. Have Jerry say that we hired Shanahan earlier today to 'our staff' and the Chiefs are colluding with someone under contract and didn't interview a minority.
2. ????
3. Profit! (3rd overall pick)

But where are the underpants in all of it?

 

[Ren]

Who blames them? They love football as much as anybody, but they're not going to pay to see a bad product. If anything, not showing up showed how much they were displeased with the product and let ownership know they wanted change. If Dallas goes 2-14 for a couple of years, nobody should be coming to games. Why give the owner your money when he failed to live up to the expectations of the fans?

I agree but i doubt that would ever happen in Dallas, as much as people bash the team, Jerry, Wade, red Jesus and the players we'll all love them again come august blinded by our homerism and all those empty promises Jerry will make

 

[big dog cowboy]

oh so your changing the common parameters that everyone uses to measure fans, the biggest one being Do they show up when the team is bad?

Not at all. The fans of KC have supported this team the last several years when they clearly had very little to play for. It was late December. It was cold. The temperature at the noon kickoff was 10 degrees with a wind chill of minus-12. Gimme a break.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Good move by KC and if they really do get Mike that's a great hire for them. If he turns them around it will be hilarious if he spends the next several years kicking Denvers butt.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I'll throw up if this happens. Jerry Jones is an idiot.

 

[ajk23az]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen has backed off his report that the Chiefs are in contract negotiations with Mike Shanahan.
Adam Schefter took Mort to school. After Mort said earlier Friday that Shanhan was close to joining the Chiefs, Schefter categorially said that Shanahan isn't returning to coaching in K.C. Mort now admits some of his "five sources" say a marriage is unlikely and the sides may not have even spoken. There looks to be interest from Kansas City's side, but it doesn't appear to be mutual. Scott Pioli can't be enjoying this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3855917

 

[big dog cowboy]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen has backed off his report that the Chiefs are in contract negotiations with Mike Shanahan.
Adam Schefter took Mort to school.

Now I'm hearing the same thing. Sounds like Mort really screwed up here. Give it another 24 hours and see what each side is reporting. Someone will be back tracking.

 

[ajk23az]

Now I'm hearing the same thing. Sounds like Mort really screwed up here. Give it another 24 hours and see what each side is reporting. Someone will be back tracking.

I trust Schefter more than any other reporter in every aspect of NFL news.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I trust Schefter more than any other reporter in every aspect of NFL news.

As a general rule I do also. But there are exceptions to every rule.

 

[CF74]

Hurry up, Garrett. Get to KC and interview. Tell them you will work cheap.

Another chance for Garrett to leave. Please make it happen!

+1ray:ray:ray:

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I didn't think Shanahan would go to the Chiefs... I believe he or Holmgren will be the next head coach of the Cowboys.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Well this gave me a good ol fashioned SCARE.

 

[prowess]

the title gave me a shock

 

[wileedog]

One thing that should concern you is that one of our olinemen and opne that perhaps may start was gotten rid of by Shanahan. That tends toward the the train of thought that you dismiss out of hand..

He also started for him the year before. They got rid of Holland because he showed up to camp ridiculously out of shape. Just because he ate himself off the team (not a problem here in Dallas) doesn't mean he doesn't fit in Shanny's system.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

I didn't think Shanahan would go to the Chiefs... I believe he or Holmgren will be the next head coach of the Cowboys.

me too... maybe Jerry has already spoke to Shanny and told him to take the year off and he will be the coach in 2010. Can we sign him as a consultant though and just promote him?

 

[Hostile]

I changed the title again. It went from all kinds of Shanahan speculation to that isn't happening. I wish they would make up my mind.

 

[Randy White]

I bet those four seconds of watching the Broncos OL really served you well as you waited for Cutler to find Marshall.

As oppossed to your 2 seconds in 5 years ? Going by your arguments it looks like I've watched more Broncos' games than you have football games at all.

All you have to do is use logic. Anyone who sits there and says they dissected Bronco OL game film is lying. So let reasoning guide you. Why was Montrae Holland signed as a free agent by Shanahan if he did not fit?

Nobody said anything about dissecting Denver's Oline. But after watching them for many years, even YOU would pick up some tendencies that they have.. Well, in your case, maybe..

As for why he picked Holland coulld it be because he took a gamble on his potential, just like ALL the other teams do when they sign players ?

Don't waste time worrying about why he was traded (we all know he got too fat). Answer the question.

Oh, you mean he got too fat and lost his ability to perform the duties that he required of his O-line ? You just answered your own question.

Is he stupid? Does he not know what his own offensive line system is?

Yea, he does, which is why he traded Holland.

I heard the same rubbish when Coach Parcells took over. We didn't have the 3-4. That's what he likes!

You're CONVINIENTLY forgetting that Tuna was taking over a franchise coming off 3 straight 5-11 seasons, cupboard almost bare of talent, and loads of cap room.

As opposed to Shannahan who'd be taking over one of the most talented teams in the league, LOADED with long term contracts.

Mike Zimmer had never coached the 3-4 in his life. He still stuck around for the whole ride.

So Shannahan is going to come to the Cowboys with no assistant coaches, very little IF ANY personnel that fits his system, either adjust to the team's personnel OR force his system on the current staff and do what ? Go to the Superbowl ?

 

[wileedog]

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Oh, you mean he got too fat and lost his ability to perform the duties that he required of his O-line ? You just answered your own question.



Yea, he does, which is why he traded Holland. \?

How long did Holland sit on our bench while Proctor was out there imitating a turnstile?

He was too out of shape to do any duties that were required of him, even the stand there and don't let anyone get by you duties we require. The Holland argument is not relevant.

Holmgren ran a similar blocking system with bigger lineman than Shanny. No, that doesn't mean Davis or Flozell are ever going to be great in it, but to not take a great coach because a few players are less than ideal for the system is extremely short-sighted.

 

[Alexander]

As for why he picked Holland coulld it be because he took a gamble on his potential, just like ALL the other teams do when they sign players ?

No, it couldn't.

It makes zero sense to sign a player in free agency who simply is so far out what you supposedly want to do that you are gambling on "potential". He was not a bargain. He was a moderately priced free agent who they signed because they were concerned about the size they had at guard to begin with.

Oh, you mean he got too fat and lost his ability to perform the duties that he required of his O-line ? You just answered your own question.

No, he got too fat and was cut because he wasn't in shape and to wake up a team that needed it.

Per you and everyone else with this ridiculous OL concept believes that he just had to have "undersized" players. Holland has never been and will never be in that category.

When he was signed, the organization was in the process of re-evaluating their thought process on the line and that meant getting bigger more stout players in front of Cutler. They wanted more bulk with their blockers on the interior because teams were overloading the middle against them. Signing players like Holland along with a blocking-first TE Daniel Graham was part of that effort.

So either Shanahan was an imbecile when he signed him or quite possibly, he was looking to add bigger players and the scheme was something he was not completely married to, especially to the point it kept him from taking anyone not tailor-made for it.

And how exactly would he have to remake this OL? Davis is a former tackle who can move if he is in shape and Kosier is perfect for it. So we have to replace Flozell Adams? Won't we be doing this in two years or less anyways? Who thinks Colombo will finish out the next three years?

Are we not going to draft a single offensive lineman simply because we are set? The rebuilding, even if he had to have it, could start now. Coach Parcells started collecting pieces for his 3-4 early. His first draft brought him Bradie James. It was not until one single draft in 2006 that the team got the two ends and OLB it needed. They did not just have to have it right away from the first minute.

Any team changing schemes can't do it quickly. You are talking a three year window. You have to compromise and improvise until then. And you can still win while doing it.

You're CONVINIENTLY forgetting that Tuna was taking over a franchise coming off 3 straight 5-11 seasons, cupboard almost bare of talent, and loads of cap room.

I am not "CONVINIENTLY" forgetting anything. If anyone is forgetting anything it is you when you believe we had "loads" of cap room in Coach Parcells first two years. We were not big spenders until 2005 when we had run through all the dead money that Jones had wasted on his prized veterans.

Teams can and do change gradually and also win at the same time. You don't have to be at rock bottom, scrap everything and have to start over that way.

If Shanahan just simply can't come here because of the OL, then he's going to be practically unhireable anywhere unless the team wants him to rebuild a bad team. He has said all along he wants to play for an established team. The poor fellow just has no idea what is good for him, does he? He signs bad fits as free agents and is not smart enough to realize he can't coach anywhere where there are established players signed for the long term. I feel sorry for him.

As opposed to Shannahan who'd be taking over one of the most talented teams in the league, LOADED with long term contracts.

And why would that be a bad thing? Because he would take one look at the roster and go, "oh, bad fits, got to cut them to get my kind of player".

No, a quality coach can fit talent into the system. Yes, in a perfect world, you want to have a synergy between the two. But teams can and do win with coaches with divergent philosophies. Everyone thought Tomlin was going to scrap the 3-4 defense when he took over Pittsburgh. Instead, he did not fix was wasn't broke and is just fine. Eventually, they could switch but it can be a gradual effort.

So Shannahan is going to come to the Cowboys with no assistant coaches, very little IF ANY personnel that fits his system, either adjust to the team's personnel OR force his system on the current staff and do what ? Go to the Superbowl ?

No, restore order and discipline to a talented team that needs it. If Barry Switzer can autopilot talent to a Super Bowl, I am pretty sure a quality coach like Shanahan can too.

I can guarantee you he'd win a playoff game. At this stage, that would be a massive improvement over what we have right now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think he's a terrible head coach.

I don't think he's terrible. I think he's been in NY, who didn't have a great deal of talent and I think he's been in KC where there was almost zero talent. I think he could be a good HC with the right coaching staff and talent base.