Herm Edwards Fired

[Randy White]

He's not Wade.

Sense enough for me.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir when it comes to Pillsbury.

However, you also don't want to destroy the whole house and rebuild it again just because the Butler allowed the kids to throw a party that got out of hand.

Jerrah needs to consider the long term consequences as well as the short term consequences and proceed with caution. Lord knows that hiring in a rush is what got us Pillsbury to begin with.

 

[Alexander]

Jerrah needs to consider the long term consequences as well as the short term consequences and proceed with caution. Lord knows that hiring in a rush is what got us Pillsbury to begin with.

That was hardly a rush.

Jones did his due diligence in that search. He picked the coach he thought was proper.

It was a poor choice, but I would not say he was rushed into it.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

This news sucks....

Shannahan's left nad has more spunk than JG's playcalling.

 

[Alexander]

I see what you're saying, but if Jerrah is doing that, know that it's not entirely a bad idea.

Shannahan's demeanor is exactly what the Cowboys are missing, but his philosophy is just about completely opposite of the talent the Cowboys have on their roster. They're not a good match unless Shannahan would be willing to change his style considerably and if he does, one has to wonder how effective he'd be then ? .

and then there's the question of Garrett. What do you with him and the 9 million dollars he has left on his contract ? Getting rid of Pillsbury is not a huge problem because he has only 1 year left, but Garrett is a different story.

and on top of that hiring, basically, a new coaching staff to accomodate Shannahan at this time ?

Doesn't make sense.

Again, there are a lot of preconceived notions about Shanahan that I feel safe in saying are not entirely accurate.

Be honest with yourselves. How many times have you intently watched a Broncos game in the last three years? Not much.

Not many of us have. But we still associate Shanahan with the same teams that he won trophies with. Small OL, anyone at RB ripping off 1000, weak defense. Perhaps he is willing to reinvent himself as well.

As far as "hiring a new coaching staff" I disagree. Jerry Jones has never been bashful about forcing assistants on anyone. If Shanahan agrees to it, there is no problem.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

This is pretty interesting..Two highly credible people conflicting reports..Who do we believe? I want to believe Shefter so bad..I REALLY hope he's right..WAKE UP JERRY!! YOU JUST GOT A WAKE UP CALL!! DUMP THAT CUPCAKE!!ray:

 

[Randy White]

That was hardly a rush. Jones did his due diligence in that search. He picked the coach he thought was proper. It was a poor choice, but I would not say he was rushed into it.

I think he was. There was a sense of urgency to get him because the Chargers had fired Marty and Pillsbury was in line to get that job. He would have gotten it had Jerrah chose Norv instead of him.

Jerrah wanted Wade the DC more than Wade the HC, but he couldn't have that scenario.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Hurry up, Garrett. Get to KC and interview. Tell them you will work cheap.

Another chance for Garrett to leave. Please make it happen!

 

[theebs]

Wow! I mean, the Chiefs haven't been winning, it's true, but that was a very bad football team he started with.

Well, I'd think about him as a HC. He might be a real good coach for a young team who needs discipline.

carl peterson was a gm on the same level as Jerry Jones...overmatched.

His teams havent won a playoff game in as long as ours and the coach got fired and the gm forced to resign.

What do they get?

Scott pioli, maybe the best personell man in the business....or maybe another guy making a name of of belichicks intelligence...I dont know....but I would trade jerry jones for scott pioloi every single time.

and they kicked out a blowhard at head coach.

I am not a big fan of shanahans but he would be a huge hire for the chiefs.

hey look on the brightside. We will probably end up in KC in december this year for a wade vs shanahan matchup where shanahan will beat us 21-13, but wades defense will get 6 sacks and wade will talk about it all day on monday...we had 6 sacks...!

 

[Randy White]

Again, there are a lot of preconceived notions about Shanahan that I feel safe in saying are not entirely accurate.

Be honest with yourselves. How many times have you intently watched a Broncos game in the last three years? Not much.

Actually, quite a bit. For a long time now. I'm a fantasy football geek and I usually like Bronco's receivers and even though is a freaking fantasy nightmare, I'm a little addicted to their running backs. I also gambled that Cutler was going to have a break out year this past season.

Serves me right for being that dumb. :laugh1:

Not many of us have. But we still associate Shanahan with the same teams that he won trophies with. Small OL, anyone at RB ripping off 1000, weak defense. Perhaps he is willing to reinvent himself as well.

The size of the O-line is not really the problem. It's the abilities. His O-linemen are angle/zone blockers who are light on their feet. They are not maulers who ware down D-linemen with their size. That's where his system is based on.

As far as "hiring a new coaching staff" I disagree. Jerry Jones has never been bashful about forcing assistants on anyone. If Shanahan agrees to it, there is no problem

But that's another obstacle that Shannahan would then have to overcome. Not only NOT having the personel that fits his system, but not having the assistants who even if they believe it in, might not know how to teach it.

 

[dmoore]

I can't force myself to be unhappy with the news. I'd love Shanahan, but I really want to see KC get a quality guy in there to turn that franchise around. Those Chiefs used to be great teams year in year out, and the fans are top notch. The folks of Kansas City deserve a winner again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, there are a lot of preconceived notions about Shanahan that I feel safe in saying are not entirely accurate.

Be honest with yourselves. How many times have you intently watched a Broncos game in the last three years? Not much.

Not many of us have. But we still associate Shanahan with the same teams that he won trophies with. Small OL, anyone at RB ripping off 1000, weak defense. Perhaps he is willing to reinvent himself as well.

As far as "hiring a new coaching staff" I disagree. Jerry Jones has never been bashful about forcing assistants on anyone. If Shanahan agrees to it, there is no problem.

Fine then your preconceived notions are just as worthless.

One thing that should concern you is that one of our olinemen and opne that perhaps may start was gotten rid of by Shanahan. That tends toward the the train of thought that you dismiss out of hand.

There are arguments to both sides and I for one am quite ambivalent about Shanahan. About the only thing going for him is that hes definitely better than Wade but thats kind of like saying that a meal is better than a ham sandwich.

 

[theebs]

I can't force myself to be unhappy with the news. I'd love Shanahan, but I really want to see KC get a quality guy in there to turn that franchise around. Those Chiefs used to be great teams year in year out, and the fans are top notch. The folks of Kansas City deserve a winner again.

I always hear about these great fans in KC.

20,000 people showed up to their final home game this year against the dolpins, the entire upper deck was empty.

so the great fans in kc thing might need to be revisited.

 

[Alexander]

Actually, quite a bit. For a long time now. I'm a fantasy football geek and I usually like Bronco's receivers and even though is a freaking fantasy nightmare, I'm a little addicted to their running backs. I also gambled that Cutler was going to have a break out year this past season.

Serves me right for being that dumb. :laugh1:

I bet those four seconds of watching the Broncos OL really served you well as you waited for Cutler to find Marshall.

All you have to do is use logic. Anyone who sits there and says they dissected Bronco OL game film is lying.

So let reasoning guide you.

Why was Montrae Holland signed as a free agent by Shanahan if he did not fit?

Don't waste time worrying about why he was traded (we all know he got too fat).

Answer the question.

Is he stupid? Does he not know what his own offensive line system is?

The size of the O-line is not really the problem. It's the abilities. His O-linemen are angle/zone blockers who are light on their feet. They are not maulers who ware down D-linemen with their size. That's where his system is based on.

Was. Were. There is nothing from his lips that says this. But that is popular contention.

I heard the same rubbish when Coach Parcells took over.

We didn't have the 3-4. That's what he likes!

Well, it can be acquired.

But that's another obstacle that Shannahan would then have to overcome. Not only NOT having the personel that fits his system, but not having the assistants who even if they believe it in, might not know how to teach it.

Mike Zimmer had never coached the 3-4 in his life.

He still stuck around for the whole ride.

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

crapola.

 

[dmoore]

I always hear about these great fans in KC.

20,000 people showed up to their final home game this year against the dolpins, the entire upper deck was empty.

so the great fans in kc thing might need to be revisited.

Who blames them? They love football as much as anybody, but they're not going to pay to see a bad product. If anything, not showing up showed how much they were displeased with the product and let ownership know they wanted change. If Dallas goes 2-14 for a couple of years, nobody should be coming to games. Why give the owner your money when he failed to live up to the expectations of the fans?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I always hear about these great fans in KC.

20,000 people showed up to their final home game this year against the dolpins, the entire upper deck was empty.

so the great fans in kc thing might need to be revisited.

They are likely the greatest fans in the NFL. Just because you don't support a team that goes 2-14 on the last home game of the year takes anything away from that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

**** us all

 

[theebs]

They are likely the greatest fans in the NFL. Just because you don't support a team that goes 2-14 on the last home game of the year takes anything away from that.

oh so your changing the common parameters that everyone uses to measure fans, the biggest one being Do they show up when the team is bad?

 

[Cowboys2008]

I'm tired of all the drooling over Shanny. Would he possibly be a good fit here? Possibly. There's no guarantees though. And besides that how as of lately has he been any better than what we've already had? I don't think much, if any at all. Recent memory of Broncos dominance doesn't really splash out at me.

What, cause he screams and his face gets red, vs that of giggles?

Right now I'm torn, I don't know who I want here. All I do know is a change would be nice, but I'd sure like us to finally get it right for once instead of just knee-jerking into it again. And Shanny would have been exactly that, a knee-jerk.

Personally though, I'm starting to think it's all being lined up for Holmgram in a year. Or just stay the course and it's Garrett as planned. Most likely, if Jason gets a job elsewhere, either this off season yet or next, hire Holmgram- if not, Jason gets his shot.

 

[Doomsay]

Unbelieveable is the fact you cannot grasp even the simplest of concepts.

Shanahan was a symbol. So is Mike Holmgren. So is Bill Cowher.

In other words, they are respected NFL head coaches with solid resumes that might make Jerry Jones think twice before interfering like an imbecile like he has done since Coach Parcells had enough.

Another option for 2010 is probably gone.

But that is a reason for you to feel smug or satisfied?

Congratulations. We have another year of Wade Phillips which guarantees another year of futility. If he even makes it through that year.

If you want to rejoice in that, be my guest as well.

No need to type, spot on!