Hernandez v Brent

[Zordon]

Guys we need to appreciate we have a much more "player's friendly" owner. The way the Patriots treat their players is disgusting.

 

[Teague31]

Agenda? So you endorse having a person who killed his teammate on this team? The Cowboys should have cut him a long time ago. They could have provided assistance to him but he shouldn't be on this team. Is he Demarcus Ware? No. He's an average player that has no business being here. Again, the Cowboys should provide counseling at their expense.

Read the post. I never said people who want Brent off the team have an agenda. That's a legitimate opinion. I said its an agenda to compare Brent to Hernandez because they are no where near the same thing.

 

[AbeBeta]

Hard to compare what is, allegedly, commission of murder to involvement in a reckless accident that resulted in a death. Intention is important to those with some form of higher cognitive function.

More importantly, with Brent many in the organization likely feel a "there but the grace of God, go I" reaction. I expect that many of us on this board have been in situations that could have ended up like Brent's. I doubt that many of us put ourselves in situations like Hernandez.

Of course, I'm going to now have to read a bunch of drivel about how both cases are the same because someone died.

 

[Doomsday101]

So I've been going back and forth with a Patriots fan today over the Hernandez situation. Pats fan says you gotta tip your hat to the organization for cutting Hernandez. I think it's a no win situation and the fact that the Pats drafted a guy with character issues they, ended up losing the gamble.

So someone remind me why Josh Brent is still on this team?

I think both are bad situation I don't know the facts with Hernadez right now as for Brent he was devastated that his closest friend lost his life and he was responsible.

 

[jterrell]

Shooting someone in the head and destroying tons of evidence is a bit different than driving drunk and recklessly hurting yourself and killing your best friend.
Going to the funeral and crying inconsolably on the shoulder of the deceased's mom is quite a bit different than what Hernandez did.

NFL regulations make it advisable for Dallas to act this way. The league will refund them salary under the cap this season and they maintain the rights of a valuable football asset.

Dallas had Hernandez off the board and wouldn't tough him out of the draft.

NE did take him but has zero tolerance now. Both effective policies for dealing with players.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

because he didnt take a gun and shoot someone.

Oh, how naive: In Texas, those who kill while under the influence is just as bad. But less tidier.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So I've been going back and forth with a Patriots fan today over the Hernandez situation. Pats fan says you gotta tip your hat to the organization for cutting Hernandez. I think it's a no win situation and the fact that the Pats drafted a guy with character issues they, ended up losing the gamble.

So someone remind me why Josh Brent is still on this team?

At any rate, bet the Patriots don't allow Hernandez on the sidelines, before or after he was waived.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wait, are you talking about Hernandez here?

Shhhhh. But the OP did make a comparison between he and Brent, a Cowboy.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Right......He just was drunk driving a car....I guess that is not a conscious decision.

There is always the chance that the deceased might have forced Brent to get liquored up and speed in the car. A trial might still bear this out.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, how naive: In Texas, those who kill while under the influence is just as bad. But less tidier.

Without knowing all facts on Hernandez not sure anyone can make claims. No doubt there was no intent on the part of Brent, that does not excuse his action but it was an accident.
Odin Lloyd, who was found shot execution-style that is premeditated murder, now if Hernandez did do the crime and you can't comprehend the difference you got some issues.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Oh, how naive: In Texas, those who kill while under the influence is just as bad. But less tidier.

Are you a lawyer? Because I am, and this post is utter nonsense.

 

[AbeBeta]

NFL regulations make it advisable for Dallas to act this way. The league will refund them salary under the cap this season and they maintain the rights of a valuable football asset.

Are you sure about that? I've read the immediate release gives NE less leeway to get the money back. Certainly a cap rebate would go against a stated policy of penalizing teams for player misconduct

 

[speedkilz88]

Time to try out that new ignore button.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

This is such a dumb comparison for reasons stated in other posts. But the thing that gets me is all the media hypocrisy about the Pats being a model franchise for doing this and not mentioning they hired Donte Stallworth no to long ago after being involved in a fatality involving alcohol and driving a car.

This is BS in it's purest form.

its because they win championships so therefore its "okay"

 

[Ultra Warrior]

Right......He just was drunk driving a car....I guess that is not a conscious decision.

The passenger who died, also made a "conscious decision" to get into the vehicle, knowing the driver was drunk. Sucks that he died but part of this tragedy was his fault as well.

 

[jterrell]

Are you sure about that? I've read the immediate release gives NE less leeway to get the money back. Certainly a cap rebate would go against a stated policy of penalizing teams for player misconduct

It has been reported the immediate release prevents any salary cap relief.
I guess it is possible there are means to challenge that and recoup lost cap totals but that wasnt indicated this morning on ESPN.

From a Cowboys standpoint we know they can recoup money for Brent while maintaining his rights by simply doing nothing and letting the league office take action.

 

[kirkjrk]

While you could argue all day about the nature of the crime, I think the biggest difference is that the Cowboys are letting the legal system do its job before making a decision.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ESPN has just reported that Hernandez has just been charged with Murder in the 1st degree.



http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-charged-murder

ATTLEBORO, Mass. -- Aaron Hernandez has been charged with murdering his friend after the two had a dispute during a trip to a nightclub.

Hernandez was arrested Wednesday and charged with the first-degree murder of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, a semi-pro football player whose body was found in an industrial park about a mile from the former New England Patriots tight end's home.

Hernandez, who was released by the Patriots less than two hours after his arrest, pleaded not guilty and has been ordered to be held without bail. Hernandez also faces five gun-related charges, which were revealed Wednesday afternoon in Attleboro District Court.

 

[kirkjrk]

While you could argue all day about the nature of the crime, I think the biggest difference is that the Cowboys are letting the legal system do its job before making a decision.

Or the Cowboys are letting the legal system make the decision for them--Probation he's kept time to be served he's released.

While you could argue all day about the nature of the crime, I think the biggest difference is that the Cowboys are letting the legal system do its job before making a decision.

 

[rash]

If Brent stays on the team, we ought to go out and get Hernandez...