Hernandez v Brent

[AbeBeta]

I could see keeping Brent on the team given the situation. Now I think that with him allegedly failing a drug test, he doesn't deserve any more chances from the organization.

I agree with this part -- I've said a few times before that the best thing the team could do for Brent was to try to help him however they could. They can't do that with him off the roster. Obviously stuff like him being on the sidelines was a total screw up (although I believe Garrett didn't know about that beforehand).

The failed drug test should have been the final straw. However, I can see why we might be treading lightly here. We had an issue before with cutting a guy who failed a drug test and it cost us cap space for sometime

 

[Keifer]

Right......He just was drunk driving a car....I guess that is not a conscious decision.

Talk about a reach. How the two are even remotely similar is beyond me. Right or wrong thousands of people get behind the wheel of a vehicle every week impaired and I guarantee you every one of them think nothing bad is going to happen to them and that they can handle it. There is no comparison to someone who willingly took another mans life whether he pulled the trigger or not.
Drunk driving is dangerous and there should be consequences for those that do it but it is far less dangerous than texting while driving. Do you think along with Brent we should cut any player caught using his cell phone behind the wheel?

 

[CashMan]

Yeah you are so correct. DWI is exactly the same thing as murder. Especially a murder that is planned out and evidence destroyed by a suspect afterwards.

And no one said Brent acted correctly. But to compare the 2 events is idiotic.

It amazes me, that some of you think drinking and driving, is ok. Killing someone when it is not an accident is killing someone in my book. Drinking and driving is a planned event. Brent, had many outs, he could of called his agent, an NFL official, a Dallas Cowboys official or a cab to come pick him up. But, because he is a Dallas Cowboy, its ok. I am not comparing a DWI and a murder, I am comparing the stupidity of the two, they are both things that require a thought. If he were driving without alcohol in his system and got into an accident, I would say, no big deal, but he was DRUNK.

 

[dfan32]

You have no idea, who pulled the trigger, we know who killed Jerry, and he made a conscious choice to drink and drive. Josh Brent should never play in the NFL again.

I do not like Aaron Hernandez, and I hope he does go to jail for a long time, but until he is convicted, you can not say he killed someone. If he is charged like Ray Lewis was, I don't think he should be allowed to play in the NFL.

I read where the charges stated that he had "orchestrated the murder". If this is true, it's the same as pulling the trigger and still leaves open the possibility he did pull the trigger. I have a gut feeling the police and the patriots know exactly what happened from start to finish in this one.

 

[CashMan]

Talk about a reach. How the two are even remotely similar is beyond me. Right or wrong thousands of people get behind the wheel of a vehicle every week impaired and I guarantee you every one of them think nothing bad is going to happen to them and that they can handle it. There is no comparison to someone who willingly took another mans life whether he pulled the trigger or not.
Drunk driving is dangerous and there should be consequences for those that do it but it is far less dangerous than texting while driving. Do you think along with Brent we should cut any player caught using his cell phone behind the wheel?

You are comparing DWI vs DWI with homicide(or something like that).

 

[CashMan]

I read where the charges stated that he had "orchestrated the murder". If this is true, it's the same as pulling the trigger and still leaves open the possibility he did pull the trigger. I have a gut feeling the police and the patriots know exactly what happened from start to finish in this one.

I wrote that, before I heard that on the radio.
I said in another post, I thought he did it.

 

[tantrix1969]

The thing that I guess I don't understand very well is how Hernandez got so screwed up? I mean, he's from Bristol Ct.. I am not all that familiar with Bristol but I don't recall it being a real crime wave hot spot. I know he went to Florida and I'm certain that there are elements there that can lead you in the wrong direction but this seems like it's a little deeper then that. He seems to have a destructive sort of behavior about him and I am just wondering where that developed? It's kinda weird to me but whatever.

Never would of thought Bristol was a rough city either but I read an article couple days ago at the start of this mess saying he was hanging around wrong type of kids from his hometown that were bad enough his coaches in college worried every time he went home.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It amazes me, that some of you think drinking and driving, is ok. Killing someone when it is not an accident is killing someone in my book. Drinking and driving is a planned event. Brent, had many outs, he could of called his agent, an NFL official, a Dallas Cowboys official or a cab to come pick him up. But, because he is a Dallas Cowboy, its ok. I am not comparing a DWI and a murder, I am comparing the stupidity of the two, they are both things that require a thought. If he were driving without alcohol in his system and got into an accident, I would say, no big deal, but he was DRUNK.

It amazes me that you seem to be unable to accept the fact that society sees cold blooded murder as more brutal then Drinking and Driving or Vehicular homicide. I have yet to see anybody post that it's OK to kill somebody in a car while drinking or drunk. This is not what one single person has said, to my knowledge.

Where is this coming from?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Never would of thought Bristol was a rough city either but I read an article couple days ago at the start of this mess saying he was hanging around wrong type of kids from his hometown that were bad enough his coaches in college worried every time he went home.

That's crazy right?

 

[Tezz]

Its simple Josh Brent is on a cheap contract and the Cowboys think he can help them in the future. I dont buy into the trying to help him, to appease Jerry Brown's mother and all that stuff... Same goes with Aaron Hernandez if he had a cheap contract and the Patriots thought he could help them in the future I think he would still be on the roster.

 

[Doomsday101]

It amazes me that you seem to be unable to accept the fact that society sees cold blooded murder as more brutal then Drinking and Driving or Vehicular homicide. I have yet to see anybody post that it's OK to kill somebody in a car while drinking or drunk. This is not what one single person has said, to my knowledge.

Where is this coming from?

I agree. No one has justified Brent actions and as bad as it was and as stupid as it was, it was still and accident. That is much different than pre-meditated murder unless some do not know what pre-meditated means

 

[AbeBeta]

Its simple Josh Brent is on a cheap contract and the Cowboys think he can help them in the future. I dont buy into the trying to help him, to appease Jerry Brown's mother and all that stuff... Same goes with Aaron Hernandez if he had a cheap contract and the Patriots thought he could help them in the future I think he would still be on the roster.

Really? His contract expires after 2013. He obviously won't play in 2013, so you'd expect he'd be a free agent regardless.

Hernandez is the one you'd think would be more likely to not get cut given the massive salary cap hit the Pats take by cutting him. In contrast, Brent's cap hit for getting cut is 14k.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its simple Josh Brent is on a cheap contract and the Cowboys think he can help them in the future. I dont buy into the trying to help him, to appease Jerry Brown's mother and all that stuff... Same goes with Aaron Hernandez if he had a cheap contract and the Patriots thought he could help them in the future I think he would still be on the roster.

Contract has nothing to do with it. Hernandez is being charge with a capital murder, if guilty he goes away for a long time. Football is the least of his problems.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree. No one has justified Brent actions and as bad as it was and as stupid as it was, it was still and accident. That is much different than pre-meditated murder unless some do not know what pre-meditated means

LOL!!

I guess maybe we are all a bunch of Darren Hambricks.

 

[Tezz]

The Patriots think he isn't going to contribute in the near future and he signed a 7 year deal last year

 

[tantrix1969]

That's crazy right?

yea I knew there were concerns about his attitude when he was drafted hence him falling but nothing like this

 

[Doomsday101]

LOL!!

I guess maybe we are all a bunch of Darren Hambricks.

It is amazing. What Brent did was tragic but was still an accident. If Hernandez did what he is accused of that is just down right cold blooded.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is amazing. What Brent did was tragic but was still an accident. If Hernandez did what he is accused of that is just down right cold blooded.

Yep. The send people to the Chair for things like that in some states. Totally different situation IMO but I guess everybody sees things differently.

 

[Idgit]

The passenger who died, also made a "conscious decision" to get into the vehicle, knowing the driver was drunk. Sucks that he died but part of this tragedy was his fault as well.

I'd be tempted to take that a step further. One of them had his decision making alcohol impaired. The other was under the legal driving limit, but allowed his friend to drive, anyway. And then also didn't put is own belt on. Both of them are guilty of horrendous judgement. And Brown paid the ultimate price for it while Brent walked away, but it could easily have been the other way around. Given that one had his decision making impaired and the other did not (sufficiently), who's more at fault? Note, I"m not asking who paid the heavier price.

 

[Keifer]

Really? His contract expires after 2013. He obviously won't play in 2013, so you'd expect he'd be a free agent regardless.

Hernandez is the one you'd think would be more likely to not get cut given the massive salary cap hit the Pats take by cutting him. In contrast, Brent's cap hit for getting cut is 14k.

Can the Patriots get out of the hit if he is convicted? As much as I dont like the Pats, it seems kind of unfair to still have to pay the guy in this situation