Hernandez v Brent

[5Stars]

Can the Patriots get out of the hit if he is convicted? As much as I dont like the Pats, it seems kind of unfair to still have to pay the guy in this situation

That is a good question and I think the Pats are going to see about that. But, we don't know what or how his contract is structured or what is in it.

 

[Keifer]

You are comparing DWI vs DWI with homicide(or something like that).

The guy who drove drunk and made it home safely and the guy who drove drunk and killed somebody made the same conscious decision. One was just luckier than the other.

 

[AbeBeta]

Can the Patriots get out of the hit if he is convicted? As much as I dont like the Pats, it seems kind of unfair to still have to pay the guy in this situation

Unlikely - guaranteed money is just that. You might say it is unfair to have to pay the guy, however it is also reasonable to argue that it is unfair that the NFL is the only professional league in which you are not on the hook for the full value of a contract when you cut a player. Situations like this are the trade off for being able to cut guys and not having to pay out the entire deal.

Also, most of the cap hit is from money he was already paid. I suspect they will have a difficult time getting that back.

 

[Primetime42]

I'm just passing through, so forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but the Patriots already knew what was coming, which is why they made the move. This has nothing to do with "The Patriot Way" or any of that nonsense. If they felt he'd still be able to contribute, they'd have kept him.

This is the same organization that drafted Alfonzo Dennard after he assaulted a cop and signed Donte Stallworth. Please.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is a good question and I think the Pats are going to see about that. But, we don't know what or how his contract is structured or what is in it.

Actually we do mostly. The dead money on his deal is about 4 mill this year and 8 the next. Those are the hits related to the remaining pro-rated signing bonus (about 10 mill of the whole thing) and other guaranteed money. They might be able to fight a little on the guaranteed money -- i.e., refuse to pay -- but I don't think that is going to affect their cap. If it did, we'd be talking about only about 2 mill in cap space. The big chunk is already paid.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

have you ever drank and sat behind the wheel of a car?

I half but after 2 hours Ms. Busty yelled at me to stop sitting in the car parked in the driveway. I was out of corn squeezins by that time anyways.

 

[landroverking]

If NE is the model what does that make the Ravens and Ray Lewis? Totally different than the Cowboys with a drunk on the team.

 

[5Stars]

Actually we do mostly. The dead money on his deal is about 4 mill this year and 8 the next. Those are the hits related to the remaining pro-rated signing bonus (about 10 mill of the whole thing) and other guaranteed money. They might be able to fight a little on the guaranteed money -- i.e., refuse to pay -- but I don't think that is going to affect their cap. If it did, we'd be talking about only about 2 mill in cap space. The big chunk is already paid.

Well, either way, if the fool is found guilty he will never ever be able to spend any of it. His attorneys will make a fortune off of him trying to defend him, but I wonder where the rest of his money will go? Do they have some sort of beneficiary in cases like this?

 

[Keifer]

Unlikely - guaranteed money is just that. You might say it is unfair to have to pay the guy, however it is also reasonable to argue that it is unfair that the NFL is the only professional league in which you are not on the hook for the full value of a contract when you cut a player. Situations like this are the trade off for being able to cut guys and not having to pay out the entire deal.

Also, most of the cap hit is from money he was already paid. I suspect they will have a difficult time getting that back.

Thanks for the explanation. I don't even try to understand the cap anymore. It makes my brain hurt.

 

[5Stars]

I half but after 2 hours Ms. Busty yelled at me to stop sitting in the car parked in the driveway. I was out of corn squeezins by that time anyways.

A good woman would have drove you for some more shine.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, either way, if the fool is found guilty he will never ever be able to spend any of it. His attorneys will make a fortune off of him trying to defend him, but I wonder where the rest of his money will go? Do they have some sort of beneficiary in cases like this?

I expect that money is going to get him far more "justice" than many people in that situation would receive.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The guy who drove drunk and made it home safely and the guy who drove drunk and killed somebody made the same conscious decision. One was just luckier than the other.

There are a lot of factors that go into a DD charge. When you plan to shoot somebody in the head, I'm not sure you can say that.

 

[5Stars]

I expect that money is going to get him far more "justice" than many people in that situation would receive.

I totally agree with that! His reputation is already ruined even if he is not found not guilty. And, what blows me away is that even if he is guilty he will go to prison a millionaire.

It seems that a lot of players coming out of Miami are nothing but thugs.

 

[Keifer]

There are a lot of factors that go into a DD charge. When you plan to shoot somebody in the head, I'm not sure you can say that.

Exactly. Big difference between someone who made a bad decision and a cold blooded killer.

 

[5Stars]

Exactly. Big difference between someone who made a bad decision and a cold blooded killer.

OJ and Ray Lewis disagree...

 

[TwoDeep3]

Wonder what the victims would say about the similarities of their fate?

 

[Nightman]

I'm pretty certain that teams can recoup signing bonuses in situations like this. He can't play football because of decisions he made outside of football. It's similar to retiring, you don't get to keep the signing bonus. They may never get any of the money back after all of his legal expenses and lawsuits, but I don't think they will let it go without a fight.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This is such a dumb comparison for reasons stated in other posts. But the thing that gets me is all the media hypocrisy about the Pats being a model franchise for doing this and not mentioning they hired Donte Stallworth no to long ago after being involved in a fatality involving alcohol and driving a car.

This is BS in it's purest form.

So, you denigrate the Pats for Stallworth, yet the Brent issue is almost exactly the same. Except Stallworth did not know his victim.

So where is the BS in this again?

 

[5Stars]

Wonder what the victims would say about the similarities of their fate?

Which victims? The dead ones or the families of the dead ones?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Which victims? The dead ones or the families of the dead ones?

The dead ones.