Hernandez v Brent

[burmafrd]

I'd have disliked both of those moves. Those players are too good to cut for episodes of bad judgement. You can't build a team by lopping off limbs over infractions you can work with.
In Brent's case, the consequences of his actions were enormous. But the error in judgement that led to them is probably something nearly every player on the team has probably been guilty of at some point.

like how you toss a dead team mate away as an infraction

and also how much a difference it is if he is a good player

pretty sad on your part

 

[yentl911]

Yes both incidents resulted in the unfortunate loss of life of a young man but the nature of implementation is not comparable. Driving home with your best friend after drinking is nothing like taking a friend out to the woods with the intent of shooting him - five times - the last two execution style.

 

[yentl911]

One more thing. Brent's *** should have been flushed the second his DUI/manslaughter became public. Then to have him on the sidelines? Come on. People need to realize there are consequences for your actions.

Jerry should have said:

"Mrs. Brown we are so very sorry for your loss and we as an organization will support you in any way we can to help in the loss of your son but we will not support Mr. Brent in any way. We as an organization need to distance ourselves from individuals that make these kinds of poor decisions."

 

[aikemirv]

This is such a dumb comparison for reasons stated in other posts. But the thing that gets me is all the media hypocrisy about the Pats being a model franchise for doing this and not mentioning they hired Donte Stallworth no to long ago after being involved in a fatality involving alcohol and driving a car.

This is BS in it's purest form.

The other hypocrisy is that people in here will condemn Brent even though they have been guilty of driving drunk as well, even if they were not caught or did not hurt anybody while doing it.

 

[conner01]

Right......He just was drunk driving a car....I guess that is not a conscious decision.

are you seriuosly comparing a pre meditated murder to a person who got drunk and killed someone. really?

 

[visionary]

are you seriuosly comparing a pre meditated murder to a person who got drunk and killed someone. really?

are you seriously excusing repeatedly driving drunk that eventually results in someone dead?

 

[visionary]

The other hypocrisy is that people in here will condemn Brent even though they have been guilty of driving drunk as well, even if they were not caught or did not hurt anybody while doing it.

so, doing the wrong thing is OK if several people are doing it?

just trying to get my facts straight

the real hypocrisy is making up stuff like you did to excuse a repeat offender who killed someone

 

[Doomsday101]

The other hypocrisy is that people in here will condemn Brent even though they have been guilty of driving drunk as well, even if they were not caught or did not hurt anybody while doing it.

If I did what Brent did I would expect to face the punishment of my actions. I'm not going to say I have never drove a car while under the influence and it was stupid on my part and had I been in an accident and someone was killed then I would have to suffer the consequences of my actions. Claiming that because many people have driven drunk does not somehow make it alright.

 

[Frozen700]

So I've been going back and forth with a Patriots fan today over the Hernandez situation. Pats fan says you gotta tip your hat to the organization for cutting Hernandez. I think it's a no win situation and the fact that the Pats drafted a guy with character issues they, ended up losing the gamble.

So someone remind me why Josh Brent is still on this team?

Why do you care?

If this was never reported you wouldn't talk about it

 

[conner01]

are you seriously excusing repeatedly driving drunk that eventually results in someone dead?

not at all. i think brent should go to prison. i don't think he should get the death penalty. there is a reason why in one of these cases the defenddant will face the death penalty and the other won't. if you don't see these are two totally different degrees of crime then i don't think i will ever be able to explain it to you

 

[8FOR!3]

You guys are talking like Jerry Brown didn't make the conscious decision to let Josh Brent drive/get in the car with him in the first place.
I'm not trying to pretend Josh Brent didn't do anything wrong and Jerry Brown isn't a victim, but you can't compare that case to Hernandez's. As stupid as Josh's decision was, Aaron's was way worse. And the scary thing is Brent was probably drunk when he made that decision, Hernandez wasn't.

 

[visionary]

not at all. i think brent should go to prison. i don't think he should get the death penalty. there is a reason why in one of these cases the defenddant will face the death penalty and the other won't. if you don't see these are two totally different degrees of crime then i don't think i will ever be able to explain it to you

i agree
morality is a tough concept for many to grasp

 

[xwalker]

Agenda? So you endorse having a person who killed his teammate on this team? The Cowboys should have cut him a long time ago. They could have provided assistance to him but he shouldn't be on this team. Is he Demarcus Ware? No. He's an average player that has no business being here. Again, the Cowboys should provide counseling at their expense.

This comes across as Self Righteous Indignation.

 

[FiveRings]

It was a little cold of the Patriots to cut him when they did. I don't mean towards him, but people are forgetting, amidst all the jokes and media coverage that someone lost their life here.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was a little cold of the Patriots to cut him when they did. I don't mean towards him, but people are forgetting, amidst all the jokes and media coverage that someone lost their life here.

I think Pats could be privy to a bit more inside information on what is going on as to why they cut him when they did. 2 hours after the arrest

 

[CashMan]

not at all. i think brent should go to prison. i don't think he should get the death penalty. there is a reason why in one of these cases the defenddant will face the death penalty and the other won't. if you don't see these are two totally different degrees of crime then i don't think i will ever be able to explain it to you

The difference is, a lot of people drink and drive, and because of that, the sensitivity of it is lessened. These players have many more outs than the common person when it comes to finding a designated driver, agents, team, nfl ect..

 

[Idgit]

like how you toss a dead team mate away as an infraction

and also how much a difference it is if he is a good player

pretty sad on your part

'Infraction' was a poor word choice. I was looking for something akin to 'negative incident,' but thought most people would understand what I"m getting at. Either way, it wasn't meant to lighten the severity of the incident in any way.

That said, I was as clear as I can be that Brent's actions are subject to both criminal and civil liability. And that they should be. So save yourself the trip to the moral high ground. What was at question in my post was whether or not the league should be in the business of handing our retributive punishment in this case, or whether substance abuse counseling and allowing the courts to handle the matter is sufficient. Nevermind the fact that that happens to be consistent with Jerry Brown's family's wishes and that it's in the long term financial best interest of Jerry Brown's young child.

I'm pretty comfortable saying here that what I'm suggesting is a lot better resolution for all parties, if the team is willing to continue to invest in the player, as they seem to be willing to do. In that context, of *course* it matters how good the player is. When the discussion is whether or not we should be carrying him on the roster despite his circumstances, it's obviously highly relevant.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The moment Brent got behind the wheel drunk, there was an intent to drive, taking a chance on a result that could turn drastic, and violate the law and common sense.

To suggest because they call traffic collisions accidents that absolves him of a conscious decision to drive drunk is absurd. The court will confirm how absurd your position is on this subject - save for some intervention by the team, a good lawyer, or the pleadings of the victim's Mother. Which in my opinion would be a travesty that underscores our society's lack of judgment in abetting athletes and celebrities bad behavior because they are famous.

Had Brent been nothing more than a drunk driver in another car that killed the victim who was driving his own car sober, the temperament on this site would be quite different.

We are a society of freedom of choice. But with freedom goes a responsibility to make good decisions that do not adversely effect others.

He made a choice that negatively impacted both the victim and his family, as well as Brent and his family. Painting this as some random event that was unavoidable or faultless by calling it an accident enables those who drive drunk to believe if you don't crash, then it is okay.

He is an adult, and with his driver's license comes a responsibility to all other drivers and passengers he may come upon.

He has absolutely no excuse for his behavior. And suggesting he is not as culpable as Hernandez, even with the dichotomy of willful intent - although Brent did practice willful intent when he chose to drive - is a ridiculous and unsustainable point.

What's the penalty on a crime like the one Brent is facing? Typically between 10 to 20 with a reduced sentence for good behavior? Murder in the 1st degree is what, Life without the possibility of parole or the Death Penalty? If it's the same, then why does the law look at it differently?

I mean, I understand that people are passionate on the subject but the Law says it's different and the majority of the people also see it differently. Those are just simple facts.

 

[tecolote]

So, you denigrate the Pats for Stallworth, yet the Brent issue is almost exactly the same. Except Stallworth did not know his victim.

So where is the BS in this again?

I am not denigrating the Pats, I'm calling out all the hypocritical people who say the Pats are a great organization for releasing Hernandez while the Cowboys are not for not doing the same with Brent, all the while forgetting the Stallworth hire.

That is BS.

 

[Doomsday101]

What's the penalty on a crime like the one Brent is facing? Typically between 10 to 20 with a reduced sentence for good behavior? Murder in the 1st degree is what, Life without the possibility of parole or the Death Penalty? If it's the same, then why does the law look at it differently?

I mean, I understand that people are passionate on the subject but the Law says it's different and the majority of the people also see it differently. Those are just simple facts.

Yeah that is a pretty big differance in terms of punishment. Involuntary manslaughter or in Brent case intoxication manslaughter is quite different than capital murder

http://www.dfwdwi.com/intoxication-manslaughter/

In my opinion I think Brent career is pretty much over