Hernandez v Brent

[links18]

If I did what Brent did I would expect to face the punishment of my actions. I'm not going to say I have never drove a car while under the influence and it was stupid on my part and had I been in an accident and someone was killed then I would have to suffer the consequences of my actions. Claiming that because many people have driven drunk does not somehow make it alright.

You should go turn yourself into the nearest police station, immediately.

 

[Idgit]

What's the penalty on a crime like the one Brent is facing? Typically between 10 to 20 with a reduced sentence for good behavior? Murder in the 1st degree is what, Life without the possibility of parole or the Death Penalty? If it's the same, then why does the law look at it differently?

I mean, I understand that people are passionate on the subject but the Law says it's different and the majority of the people also see it differently. Those are just simple facts.

A defense lawyer in my office who handles a handful of such cases a year told me at the time that he was fairly sure that, in Texas, Brent would end up with between 6 and 18 months of time in this situation, and that was because of the offense and not because of who he was or the attention the case is going to get. He said that was common for the cases he handles, except that California tends to be fairly strict when it comes to drinking and driving cases. FWTW. Again, because it will get misinterpreted on purpose, this is not to make light of the fact that somebody died in the incident, and it's not a reflection on what I think of Josh Brent's judgement in the matter. It's just what a defense lawyer told me at a Christmas party as the time that this happened.

 

[Doomsday101]

You should go turn yourself into the nearest police station, immediately.

I never killed anyone and I was arrested, convicted and served time in County for a DWI, I had no one to blame but myself. I did not run around hollering it is not fair I messed up I paid for my actions. I'm not one to avoid personal responsiblity for what I do. You got anymore comments?

 

[Idgit]

Regarding the possibility of the plan being for Brown to drive that's a fair comment, over here car insurance is for the driver - ie I'm insured to drive my car and my partners car, any other car I would be driving without insurance - so I had forgotten that you insure the car. That scenario had therefore not occurred to me. The second one of him not intending to drink as much as he did I still think is completely irrelevant, particularly if he does as you suggest have a problem with his drinking. In that case he should be aware that drinking is liable to cloud his judgement and remove the temptation of driving, if I and thousands of others can make alternative arrangements I'm sure someone with his money can.
Just because something used to be very common and still happens doesn't make it acceptable. If anything it suggests harsher penalties may be required as people seem to still be willing to act in such a fashion.
The comment about if Hernandez was drinking was meant to highlight the stupidity (at least in my opinion) of the argument that causing a death through drink driving was down to nothing more than bad luck not a serious suggestion that a drunk guy shooting and killing someone should be treated leniently. Apologies if that was unclear.
Your last paragraph I more or less agree with.

I have friends who are Scots in their 20s, and they drink like fish. I know they were pretty surprised when they came out to the States to see that drinking and driving enforcement is relatively lax compared with Europe. And, I agree, that Europe is right in this regard. It's another of those rootin' tootin' American Cowboy things, in a way. I don't want to invite commentary about whether or not that's how it should be, because that can get political pretty quickly. I'm just suggesting that it is the case and something that you may or may not be aware of.

And, I hope I've made it clear that what Brent did wasn't in any way acceptable in my book. All of this is in the context of putting lives back together, and all of it assumes the criminal and civil processes apply and that the wishes of the Brown family are taken into account.

I'm particularly sensitive with this topic, because I know there are people on this board who have been directly affected by drinking and driving issues, and I've got nothing but sympathy for all of them.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A defense lawyer in my office who handles a handful of such cases a year told me at the time that he was fairly sure that, in Texas, Brent would end up with between 6 and 18 months of time in this situation, and that was because of the offense and not because of who he was or the attention the case is going to get. He said that was common for the cases he handles, except that California tends to be fairly strict when it comes to drinking and driving cases. FWTW. Again, because it will get misinterpreted on purpose, this is not to make light of the fact that somebody died in the incident, and it's not a reflection on what I think of Josh Brent's judgement in the matter. It's just what a defense lawyer told me at a Christmas party as the time that this happened.

Regardless of what one person or perhaps another may think of how DD is viewed in this country, I believe it all comes down to the want of the people. Those who contend that DD should be viewed the same as shooting a man in the back of the head execution style are probably very much like those who believed Prohibition was the right way to go in the 30s. The reality is that the people just don't want to outlaw drinking and so, as a nation, we will tolerate where this issue is concerned.

Here's the funny part to me thou. It's not just the average Joe SixPack that doesn't want to see it go away. It's also every city, county and state in this country. Local Governments are making a fortune off of DWI laws and convictions. They absolutely want to make it tougher but I'm not convinced at all that they to stop it. They want stiffer laws and penalties because they want more conviction in order to make more money.

That, to me, is the sad part of this whole debate. I honestly believe that.

 

[FiveRings]

I think Pats could be privy to a bit more inside information on what is going on as to why they cut him when they did. 2 hours after the arrest

Eh I doubt it, like I said before, this is a legitimate legal case, not some injury report or something. Whatever information is available is going to be available to all parties, including the public.

 

[Doomsday101]

Eh I doubt it, like I said before, this is a legitimate legal case, not some injury report or something. Whatever information is available is going to be available to all parties, including the public.

I don't think police talking before arresting Hernandez with his employers aka the Pats is that far fectched in an investigation. The statement handed out by the Pats sounds to me that they feel Hernadez is guilty

 

[khiladi]

So I've been going back and forth with a Patriots fan today over the Hernandez situation. Pats fan says you gotta tip your hat to the organization for cutting Hernandez. I think it's a no win situation and the fact that the Pats drafted a guy with character issues they, ended up losing the gamble.

So someone remind me why Josh Brent is still on this team?

Th Patriots in the end are only losing lik 2.5 million dollars guaranteed for cutting him. He's due 3 million left from his signing bonus.

 

[Doomsday101]

Aaron Hernandez investigated in 2012 double slaying

(CNN) -- Aaron Hernandez, the former NFL tight end charged with murder in the death last week of an acquaintance, is now being investigated in connection with a double slaying in Boston's South End in July 2012, a law enforcement source close to the investigation told CNN.

The source gave no indication whether there was any connection between that investigation and Hernandez's current murder charge.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/us/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


It keeps getting worse for Hernandez

 

[khiladi]

Thy probably knew things were brewing which explain the hiring the 'good old boy' Tim Tebow....

 

[xwalker]

Th Patriots in the end are only losing lik 2.5 million dollars guaranteed for cutting him. He's due 3 million left from his signing bonus.

Not exactly...

8/27/2012: Signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. The deal contains $16.4 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million signing bonus.

 

[FiveRings]

I don't think police talking before arresting Hernandez with his employers aka the Pats is that far fectched in an investigation. The statement handed out by the Pats sounds to me that they feel Hernadez is guilty

The way I see it, the Pats run a no b-s operation, even if he was found innocent the Pats wouldn't keep him just because of the association.

 

[Doomsday101]

The way I see it, the Pats run a no b-s operation, even if he was found innocent the Pats wouldn't keep him just because of the association.

I think the no BS operation is more preception than reality.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The way I see it, the Pats run a no b-s operation, even if he was found innocent the Pats wouldn't keep him just because of the association.

Then explain them signing Aqib Talib.





YR

 

[Doomsday101]

Then explain them signing Aqib Talib.

There are some others with checkered past as well. Pats are not immune from taking problem players especially if they have good talent. As for Henandez he has a lot on his plate right now and the Pats are not going to wait around for him. heck he will likely not see a court room for months before the trial gets underway.




YR

 

[FiveRings]

Then explain them signing Aqib Talib.





YR

Are you suggesting one move trumps the way the entire organization has been run under Craft/Belichick?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

A good woman would have drove you for some more shine.

I agree. you are a clear-thinking American, but Ms. Busty says I should quit hanging wit you because you and the rest of the unwashed here are bad influences.

 

[dillinger319]

Well , it looks as though Brent is back in jail after failing a drug test for the second time.... He shouldn't be on the Cowboys roster IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

Regardless of what one person or perhaps another may think of how DD is viewed in this country, I believe it all comes down to the want of the people. Those who contend that DD should be viewed the same as shooting a man in the back of the head execution style are probably very much like those who believed Prohibition was the right way to go in the 30s. The reality is that the people just don't want to outlaw drinking and so, as a nation, we will tolerate where this issue is concerned.

Here's the funny part to me thou. It's not just the average Joe SixPack that doesn't want to see it go away. It's also every city, county and state in this country. Local Governments are making a fortune off of DWI laws and convictions. They absolutely want to make it tougher but I'm not convinced at all that they to stop it. They want stiffer laws and penalties because they want more conviction in order to make more money.

That, to me, is the sad part of this whole debate. I honestly believe that.

I can guarantee you once you lost someone close to you because of drunk driving your attitude changes real fast. I have never driven even slightly under the influence at all; and everyone here boasting about drinking and driving like they have make me sick.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Right, but it is not in his best interest to give police information that can/will incriminate him. I am not saying I agree with it, but it is his right.

This post is one of the dumbest I've ever read. No one is obligated to voluntarily turn over evidence that incriminates themself. Requiring anyone to do so would violate their right against self incrimination. They do not, however, have the right to destroy evidence of the commission of a crime committed by themselves or anyone else. That is a crimial act in and of itself. Big difference betwee the two.