Honest board question...Trade up to #2?

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after you just drop your eggs...that and probably a lot of runny yellow stuff to boot...did YOU crack up on US...?:lmao2:

No, what I was heading towards, was a feeling that the Cowboys could use some upgrades, starting, at linebacker. More speed and side line to side line play in a player like Patrick Willis would be a very good addition in the interior, for Dallas. Additionally, I think that a true pass rusher, that is adapted to the 3-4 outside linebacker role, is the rout to go. I don't think, no matter how attractive, and I used the top receiver in this year's draft, to drive home the point....the receiver, isn't the most important part for this year's team. I somewhat dismiss the top level approach to the solution, unless that was their prime approach.

Earlier in the thread, I had supported a similar scenario that involved a lower level approach to the 'move-up' potential in the draft. I even pinpointed the players that I realisticly would attempt to acquire at that level...yet, I don't really see that as being necessary for this team. I therefore, am awaiting, since NFL starting or close to that status quarterbacks are moving around, am anxious to see how that affects the makeup of this year's draft. There may be a run on players that we are somewhat not expecting at present....

none-the-less, and no less for the toil, we are slowly defining a target group of players, that will either be within reach of the Cowboys, or that will fill a specific need of the Cowboys at present. I don't think that the current talent at wide receiver is so dynamic that Dallas must 'gamble' due to a projected future need at the position...if you are really as analytical as some of you attempt to parade around spouting to be, you would probably see that this approach is as vain as wanting to move all the way up in the draft...the difference is, although, if the subject is NOT breached, then YOU are not being realistic in an appraisal and are hiding behind stereotypes...as it is still a possibility, and as such, not stupid, just for discussion sake....for after a mental decision is made by an individual, it should not be an insult or frustrating just to see the consideration evolve....

My favorite target for this draft, right now.....Jarvis Moss, but would I get upset for Dallas not having the ability to acquire him, nope, but that is just who I like.....

as to moving up to 'just' get a little piece, a Hall of Famer, (cough), don't naive a prime time move, that is still valid, but not needed here and now. I doubt that ANY rookie receiver will supplant TO, or for that sake-:lmao2: Glenn at present....so don't feel so pompous on some of the wry strutting that goes through the threads....:bow: :shoot2: for the Cowboys are in the process of reloading for another season...and yet another receiver that would SIT behind both TO and Glenn isn't needed...if you want ANOTHER and YOUNGER receiver, at least get one that can be developed up over a period of two to three season...which, if you aren't hunting for the 'holy garile'...might just already be on the team...with the exception of a true barn burner to replace Glenn when he departs....yet, not ALL teams are totally disfunctional, only having a pair of #2 type receivers, and a very good possession receiver. Dallas, although, prefers to have a true barn burner....

Just to add a little of the present into this discussion, which has PROGRESSED and not just lamely dwindled into a recoil from a reasoned perspective......if the Cowboys go ahead and sign Hamlin to a solid contract, which would be the apparent direction that this thing is heading...and locks him up for a period of four years...does anyone still think that Dallas is heading towards a top level cornerback or safety in round one? If they do, then what does that immediately say about Anthony Henry...and I'm NOT ready to toss THAT player on the scrap heap as of yet....are YOU?:rolleyes: :shoot4:

No, I think that this will be an aggressive draft, where the team makes some defineable strides at a variety of positional groupings. I don't think that fullback is at a satisfactory state for what the team would like to do.....also, after the Texas Pro Day, I think that Justin Blalock will be a very hard player to pass up at the first pick slot for Dallas.

All said and done, Dallas needs to add one and probably TWO linebackers in this draft...and they should at least be prominently selected...as to a wide receiver, I would, in anticipation, look for Dallas to realisticly start searching at round level two to four, in this draft, similarly to what may be done for quarterback, unless the present 'invitee' is put on contract, then your guess is as good as my perspective at present....Brock Berlin?

As to the slickie boys running around through the thread, you don't get a Congressional appointment to the Air Force Academy and spend twenty plus years in the service, by being a bumbling fool...think about it...:cool: :violin: :lombardi:
 
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CCBoy;1429497 said:
and if the actual differences between really great players and top-notched is actually in the longer term accumulation of fine points, then price would be a closer approximation as to actual value of a specific player...where productions are not that far apart...and carrying this a step further...I would place resources more closely atuned, to dominating the majority of the field, and elevate the pass rush, interior linebacker speed, and intensifying the strength of the offensive line...that way, the already bought and paid for pieces, that function already at a full NFL level of efficiency, have the greatest potential to carry, over the length of an entire season...the Cowboys to the Super Bowl...this team isn't that far away from total success, and even the loss of increased speed at interior linebacker and outside pressure from a very high visibility player, would, in sequence of reason, actually be MORE important than the addition of a categorical, first round receiver, although young....fair?:p:

That's what the vikings thought when they traded for Walker. How did that work out for them?
 

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A lot different scenario, as Walker already had a pretty strenuous AFL life before coming to the Cowboys, and later, on to the Vikings...a tad 'difrent';) ...do you want Jim Brown after year nine?
 

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CCBoy;1429366 said:
would you be willing to do a Tony Dorsett type of a trade, to move up to the #2 draft slot and acquire WR Calvin Johnson? Say, give up this year's first and second round as well as next year's first and second rounders....?

No. I do not believe any player in this draft is worth that type of deal and a WR NEVER is. Far and away the most overrated position in the NFL IMO. Giving up that many picks for one player is never a good idea.

PS. I played WR a lot when I was younger so this isn't about hatin on them. I just think there are much more important positions on the team that you should fill first with OL & QB at the top of the list (that's for any team, not just ours).

That said, I do believe we should go WR with our 1st pick if one of the top guys is there for us. My preference is Jarrett because I believe he will be a great player in the NFL. At least as good as Keyshawn in his prime but a better deep threat.
 

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CCBoy;1429366 said:
would you be willing to do a Tony Dorsett type of a trade, to move up to the #2 draft slot and acquire WR Calvin Johnson? Say, give up this year's first and second round as well as next year's first and second rounders....?
The Cowboys were Tony Dorsett away from winning the Sper Bowl, great trade. The Cowboys are not Calvin Johnson away from winning the Super Bowl.
 

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Didn't Keyshawn win a superbowl, and came close a 2nd time? I think he lived up to his #1 status if winning the super bowl is the ultimate prize.
Maybe we should wait till the team that drafts him doesn't want him anymore then.
 

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valid points, and I have to admit that I am steadily warming up to the idea of a receiver, and even, specificly Jarrett, but LOL, there are quite a few teams that could be in the market for just the similar type of players, that we are batting around as to potential first round targets....

I must say, that I wouldn't mind having Jarrett, Bowe, Meachem, and Ginn on the Cowboys....

I guess at this point, my two favorite targets for Dallas, this year, in this draft, are Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, and Justin Blalock OG/OT...just too much real football talent for me to pass by and could be in the region of where Dallas should be picking....that's my favorite...
 

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No dog....no, sounds a little pitchy to me.
I would LOVE to have Calvin Johnson on the team, but not at the expense that you are talking about. Sure he's a top athlete with good character, but unless the #2 comes at a more inviting price, I wouldn't give up two #1 picks for him. There are other athletes on the board. Wait and be patient.
You just don't spend that kind of picks (you were talking giving up 4 high picks for one player.....no, it don't make sense.)
 

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the price for securing the services of the top WR in this class, could go up even higher, if Oakland does something, like get into the market for Drew Brees....the whole dynamics of the draft might evolve...and the resulting price of Calvin Johnson would then become totally unbearable and unrealistic to move up and acquire....
 
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