Hope is not a strategy

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by BAT, Aug 29, 2014.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I don't have to do research, Mike. I knew your response before you said it. You said nothing at the time or in the following years. You were right with the others reciting the handbook. Oh, you know more than the team? They must see something. Wait and see. You couldn't possibly know now.

    But now we can blame those years. It's far enough away and under a slightly different regime. It doesn't threaten the fantasy that the team currently is fine and now making smart decisions.

    Here's a newsflash for you, Mikey. We don't draft any better now than we did then. I won't talk about 2013 and 2014 as that's far too soon to come to a conclusion but the impact the team has gotten from the 2010-2012 drafts is just as bad as that huge hole you're lamenting about previously.
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  2. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Moderator

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    And I knew your response before you said it.

    Hyperbole... blah... blah... Jerry sucks.

    Got it.
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  3. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    I was a huge fan as well. Comparing talent is subjective because it is not just the talent on the team but in the whole league that is different from then and now. But the influence that a vet with championship pedigree can provide is invaluable for ANY team, not just teams that are in championship contention right now.

    And I go where I want Mike.
  4. DandyDon1722

    DandyDon1722 It's been a good 'un, ain't it?

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    Yeah Bat I have to agree on this point -- this is all about next year. We are going to (hopefully) have a small window with Romo for two or three years starting next season and beyond with a dynamic offense and a good defense that we will build through the draft and that will be it--

    Until we get our next QB.
  5. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    Bob Sturm wrote an article about it a few seasons ago.

    He used a perfect analogy saying it was like plugging holes in dam and once a hole got plugged another would pop right up somewhere else.
  6. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Moderator

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    I'd say it started before then. We've been chasing holes for quite awhile.
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  7. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Moderator

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    Except in two instances

    1. Draft and UDFA
    2, rescue and/or obtain VFA/cuts

    The latter is really difficult and the former just difficult.
  8. windward

    windward NFL Historian

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    Dez,Tyron and Demarco are all better than anything we drafted from 2006-2009. That's not even consisting the additions of Frederick or Martin.

    It's a marked difference tbh.
  9. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    What are are you talking about? Hasnt it worked brilliantly since the mid 90's?
  10. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Moderator

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    Do we really need to keep making multiple posts about the FO suckage? Anymore will be deleted or worse. Talk about the players please. That's plenty to discuss.
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  11. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Conversely, look at the defensive players added (or not) during that same time period.

    Partly explains why we have half of a team.
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  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    What you say makes sense.

    In a season like this one, I just don't want to keep a Nick Hayden over a Ken Bishop even if Hayden is slightly better at this minute. If they could get a Seymour type to replace Hayden, then that would be different, but it's probably too late for that. Also, if that Seymour type costs 10M for this season and 10M next season, then I would prefer to just wait and spend the 20M on 2 guys of that caliber next season when some other positions are hopefully more resolved.
  13. windward

    windward NFL Historian

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    oh it's not perfect, but the 06-09 drafts have helped put us in this position. I'd argue that our recent drafting has helped us stay near .500 then being 6-10 or worse.
  14. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    While I would counter with the fact that players acquired under Parcells had a lot to do with that too.

    Unfortunately, that window has closed...
  15. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    If you don't want to deal with injuries then I recommend following a different sport. And your level of analysis is mostly emotional generalizations like scrub, jag, etc. Sorry if I find that worthless.

    Who is to say they have not entertained trade offers or pursuing some? Like I said people have no clue how to handle uncertainty.

    If you want to have a discussion about trades for specific players that are known to be available as well as the opportunity cost then fine but your quick fix scheme sounds like the type of thought that led to awful WR trades in the past. Sustainable success in the NFL is done through the draft. Lawrence was not hurt when they drafted him.

    By all means rant some more though.
  16. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    What is amusing is the notion that one trade is going to magically make the defense work.

    Our corner depth especially without Oscan is suspect. Our S depth sucks. We have a bunch of young development guys in the front 7.

    Some people think a guy like 2012 Seymour -who OAK gave up a 1st for- is going to fix that. This mentality that a quick fix has to exist is childish frankly.
  17. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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    Hope is all you get when your strategic blueprint for your organization doesn't exist.

    3 defensive coordinators in three years. 3 offensive coordinators in three years equal no vision at all. Knee jerk reactions.
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  18. MarionBarberThe4th

    MarionBarberThe4th Well-Known Member

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    Suh for witten ! Escobar has gained strength and is ready to go!
  19. Sinister

    Sinister Well-Known Member

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    Your argument that I think is fallacious is the idea that just bringing in players means that the Cowboys 'have done what counts.'

    What I'm saying is that the Cowboys moves have no strategy (or that their strategy in regards to the defense has been poor), they pick up players that they hope (as OP stated in the beginning of this thread) have the talent to succeed in this defense. Drafting 7th round defensive lineman and bringing in UDFA and hoping they succeed is not a good strategy. Drafting tight-ends in the second round multiple years when the need is on defense in not a good strategy. Drafting small school/undersized defensive backs in multiple drafts is not a good strategy.

    I have no problem with some of their picks on offense what I have a problem is the fact that their just doesn't appear to be a cohesive strategy (as OP stated).
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  20. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    That is not a fallacy. You don't agree but that is not the same thing. Try harder.

    Must suck to have to hate Escobar. He is playing well.

    Drafting multiple front 7 players including one at the top of the second round doesn't count because two of them got hurt.
    Signing Melton, Mincey, Coleman and McClain don't count because you don't feel good about them.
    Trading for McClain doesn't count because he isn't a sure thing.

    They draft TE multiple times to go for a 2 TE base. They draft OL early 3 out of 4 years. You don't see a strategy. I think that speaks more about you then it does the organization.

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