How can anyone defend these coaches?

[jterrell]

The offense hardly has any injuries and they're every bit as weak as the defense.

If by hardly you mean except Miles Austin, Brian Waters and a just returning DeMarco Murray.
There's also the back spasms Dez is having during games and whatever knee issues are bothering Leary.
No team is really healthy by this time of year but the offense is definitely feeling losses.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm glad we won but my gosh we are poorly coached.

It's so sad that we're wasting so many players careers.

I don't know about anyone else but the only coach I'm routinely defending right now is Rod. What he's doing with a patch work D-Line is pretty incredible to me.

 

[ufcrules1]

The OL wasn't good but you're kidding yourself if you don't see teams with bad Oline play still having success.

Just an FYI.. our Oline is currently ranked #8 in the league. I would say a top 10 oline is good enough to win in this league. For years we have had sub par Olines but this this year it is certainly good enough. It won't stop people from crying about our Oline though and trying to blame it for everything.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&tabSeq=2

 

[ufcrules1]

I don't know about anyone else but the only coach I'm routinely defending right now is Rod. What he's doing with a patch work D-Line is pretty incredible to me.

Yes, nobody better say squat about Rod. He is doing an amazing job with what he has to work with. Not to mention he has these guys looking for turnovers all the time. Too bad the offense rarely takes advantage of them though.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, nobody better say squat about Rod. He is doing an amazing job with what he has to work with. Not to mention he has these guys looking for turnovers all the time. Too bad the offense rarely takes advantage of them though.

Exactly... A good coach can do this. That is why we desperately need a good head coach.

 

[ufcrules1]

Exactly... A good coach can do this. That is why we desperately need a good head coach.

I agree with you. The problem is a new coach will have old dogs to work with. Guys who are used to being average. I'm not saying the ship can't be corrected, but it will take a ton of work. Also, Jerry is such an ego maniac that a true head coach would never be able to do his job right without Jerry getting in the middle of things. Just frustrating to see my team this way for so long.

 

[jobberone]

The OL wasn't good but you're kidding yourself if you don't see teams with bad Oline play still having success.

When you're as basic as we are and you don't try to coach around a weakness you have then it's going to be way worse than it should be.

We did absolutely nothing in the past to help take pressure off this Oline. In fact I think we put an incredible amount of pressure on them.

Limited running, no misdirection, no screens, limited short passing, formation tendencies that give away the play, and consistently making them sit in their stance for 15 seconds before they ever come off the ball.

I'm not saying the entire problem is the OL. But just take the OL as an example of the entire team. This team had to be rebuilt and its still being done. Look at the OL for 2010 and then at the present one. That's a decent sized part of the problem....acquiring and keeping talent.

I also don't buy into the idea that you can win consistently without good lines. I keep hearing the mantra that GB does well without a good OL. Their line isn't bad IMO. In fact right now it is the 5th ranked OL in the entire NFL. They've given up 74 pressures and we 100. NE has given up 109. They have a positive run blocking ranking as well.

I agree we don't always do everything we can to help the offense but the vast majority of the pressure on the offense is our defense as it is with most teams.

 

[ufcrules1]

I keep hearing the mantra that GB does well without a good OL. Their line isn't bad IMO.

They have had horrible Olines in the past and were still successful. This year apparently is very different with GB and they do have a quality line right now. You can still win without real good olines. You can win with middle of the road olines.

I'm not saying the entire problem is the OL

That is good, because you would be wrong if you did. Our Oline is currently ranked #8 in the entire league. Our Oline is far down the list of problems in Dallas right now. Poor/vanilla play calling is VERY high on the list. Sure, our defense sucks, but they are still generating turnovers and have had some decent games this year (KC, Washington, Philly, Rams, etc) Our offense has been sucking pretty bad since the Denver game.

This team has holes of equal size on the offense, defense, and coaching staff IMO.

 

[perrykemp]

This year apparently is very different with GB and they do have a quality line right now. You can still win without real good olines. You can win with middle of the road olines.

Green Bays line is different this year than last year only in that they lost Bulaga their LT and replaced him with a 4th round draft pick.

I think the major difference is Lacy who forces the defense not to simply pass rush every play. I believe this isn't so much the Packers OL getting better -- it's really about what kind of impact a difference making RB can make.

 

[dallasdave]

Just an FYI.. our Oline is currently ranked #8 in the league. I would say a top 10 oline is good enough to win in this league. For years we have had sub par Olines but this this year it is certainly good enough. It won't stop people from crying about our Oline though and trying to blame it for everything.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&tabSeq=2

Good point and we got some young guys, so were only going to get better.

 

[dallasdave]

Yes, nobody better say squat about Rod. He is doing an amazing job with what he has to work with. Not to mention he has these guys looking for turnovers all the time. Too bad the offense rarely takes advantage of them though.

Rod has done a good job and knows how to train young DL, and to make quick decisions on if they have what it takes to play DL in the NFL.

 

[jobberone]

They have had horrible Olines in the past and were still successful. This year apparently is very different with GB and they do have a quality line right now. You can still win without real good olines. You can win with middle of the road olines.



That is good, because you would be wrong if you did. Our Oline is currently ranked #8 in the entire league. Our Oline is far down the list of problems in Dallas right now. Poor/vanilla play calling is VERY high on the list. Sure, our defense sucks, but they are still generating turnovers and have had some decent games this year (KC, Washington, Philly, Rams, etc) Our offense has been sucking pretty bad since the Denver game.

This team has holes of equal size on the offense, defense, and coaching staff IMO.

I've posted several things about the OL this year including some individual stats. We're still get a little too many hurries and making to many mistakes. We are also not doing that well with the run game obviously and that's a part of the OL as well so the ranking you posted is for passing efficiency only. We don't have a top OL at all if you look at passing and running.

 

[jobberone]

I guess I haven't said it well. But some of you are putting way too much emphasis on coaching and not enough on talent. It's the players on the field. You guys have no problem admiring the talents of QBs but then seem to think you can just coach up the rest. Just replace some coaches et al and we're in the promised land. This league is about match ups and talent. Put them in the right place in the right scheme with the right game plan and coaching and see what the soup tastes like. Sure it's some on coaching but a lot of that is in the organization of the team and the details as well as coaching positions along with Xs and Os. In some aspects the game is simple. But overall it's complicated.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Those are good points what would u do different ly?

Well, I would absolutely run more. Even if we are not averaging 4.5 YPC, I would commit to it. It's really more about making the defense believe that they have to account for the run game. If you know that we are only going to run 10 times at most, the smart thing to do, as a coordinator is to play for the other 80% of tendency and bet that I will be successful.

We all know, especially anybody who has actually played or coached on the OL, that it is, in fact, easier to run block then pass block. You ask your OL to pass block 50 times a game and you are asking for trouble. Injuries sustained by simple fatigue become problematic. Over the course of an entire year, you see your OL break down. You see more injuries IMO. The math is pretty simple here. You have to be able to save your OL. Running the ball does this, even if it is not as exciting as throwing the ball 50 times or seeing Dez go for 150 yards, etc. Coaches like Parcells know this and believe in this. I'm not sure that our coaching staff does. You run the quick tempo offense with a lot of passing and it's great if it works but how many times do we see our team make mistakes, especially when they get tired? Those mistakes kill drives and what we see are poor down and distance presented to our defense. They are on the field too long, early in games and they wear down late. We see it every single week almost. Running helps that and so does tempo. We don't have to always be running quick tempo passing offense, especially when it isn't working.

The OL can be a powerful aid to a QB. Let them wear down the defense. Don't put it on the QB to beat the blitz by simply making fantastic plays downfield. Let the OL physically punish these smaller defenses we see so much in the NFL. Allow them to do what other teams are doing to our Defense. That will help the QB more then any 4.3 6'5" WR will.

JMO

 

[ufcrules1]

Well, I would absolutely run more. Even if we are not averaging 4.5 YPC, I would commit to it. It's really more about making the defense believe that they have to account for the run game. If you know that we are only going to run 10 times at most, the smart thing to do, as a coordinator is to play for the other 80% of tendency and bet that I will be successful.

We all know, especially anybody who has actually played or coached on the OL, that it is, in fact, easier to run block then pass block. You ask your OL to pass block 50 times a game and you are asking for trouble. Injuries sustained by simple fatigue become problematic. Over the course of an entire year, you see your OL break down. You see more injuries IMO. The math is pretty simple here. You have to be able to save your OL. Running the ball does this, even if it is not as exciting as throwing the ball 50 times or seeing Dez go for 150 yards, etc. Coaches like Parcells know this and believe in this. I'm not sure that our coaching staff does. You run the quick tempo offense with a lot of passing and it's great if it works but how many times do we see our team make mistakes, especially when they get tired? Those mistakes kill drives and what we see are poor down and distance presented to our defense. They are on the field too long, early in games and they wear down late. We see it every single week almost. Running helps that and so does tempo. We don't have to always be running quick tempo passing offense, especially when it isn't working.

The OL can be a powerful aid to a QB. Let them wear down the defense. Don't put it on the QB to beat the blitz by simply making fantastic plays downfield. Let the OL physically punish these smaller defenses we see so much in the NFL. Allow them to do what other teams are doing to our Defense. That will help the QB more then any 4.3 6'5" WR will.

JMO

Excellent post.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not saying the entire problem is the OL. But just take the OL as an example of the entire team. This team had to be rebuilt and its still being done. Look at the OL for 2010 and then at the present one. That's a decent sized part of the problem....acquiring and keeping talent.

I also don't buy into the idea that you can win consistently without good lines. I keep hearing the mantra that GB does well without a good OL. Their line isn't bad IMO. In fact right now it is the 5th ranked OL in the entire NFL. They've given up 74 pressures and we 100. NE has given up 109. They have a positive run blocking ranking as well.

I agree we don't always do everything we can to help the offense but the vast majority of the pressure on the offense is our defense as it is with most teams.

But even when the defense causes turnovers we still don't have as much success as we should.

I've never seen a team be +4 in turnovers and lose like we did against the Lions.

 

[dallasdave]

How can anyone defend these coaches? Answer plead total insanity.

 

[tantrix1969]

So he averages 1 yd a run except for one 27 yd run and the rest of the gang averages minus yardage and you want to pound the ball into the teeth of what appeared to be run blitzing? And many people are saying it appears they knew what we were running and when we were running. I can see Garrett now saying, "Keep pounding the rock guys. Every tenth carry we might break another one for 20 or 30. In the meantime it doesn't matter that we're three and out."

why do yall keep saying he only had one good run?Murray got the 27, -2 ,0,and a 6(on 3rd&1 which I call a good run)so two of his four runs were effective

 

[jobberone]

why do yall keep saying he only had one good run?Murray got the 27, -2 ,0,and a 6(on 3rd&1 which I call a good run)so two of his four runs were effective

I was only looking at one set of data so there could easily be a mistake with it. The point remains even is one datum is wrong that the Cowboys haven't been able to to run the ball well. But I don't deny your information is correct.

 

[BHendri5]

how can anyone not defend these coaches