How can anyone defend these coaches?

[dallasdave]

If this is the Cowboys' crazy criteria for success, they will never run the ball successfully again.

And no, it wasn't 'obvious' to anyone other than you and Dumb and Dumber - as in Garrett and Callahan.

Any other team would be thrilled when their starting running back had 31 yards after 4 carries, but not in Dallas! "Pack it in boys, we can't run against this 'wall'"



Spare me the victim card. I'm having a discussion on this topic, not mocking you. I have respect for the energy and enthusiasm you've brought here, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with the case you're trying to make.



Fair enough, thanks for the spirited debate!

STASHEROO RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jobberone]

I just don't understand how anyone can think this coaching staff is acceptable for what should be one of the best franchises in in pro sports.

Dallas should have top notch guys. Instead our coaching staff is near the bottom of the league as far as game planning and playcalling.

The only advantage we ever have on teams is our talent and Romo's ability to buy time.

Giving reasons why they didn't run more is hardly an endorsement. But casually demanding a change in the coaching staff is foolish. As I've said before I dont know if Garrett is the right guy but he's been so handicapped by the defense u can't really properly evaluate him. People are crying about the records given up. Well that's defense and understandable. The offense may set records before its over. This is not a simple situation altho people are welcome to make it such

 

[jobberone]

jobberone put on a clinic.

For what its worth, jobb, you aren't entirely alone in your line of thinking. There are others of us who have the same viewpoint.

Thaks for the compliment.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We're not even going to win the NFC East unless we show the ability to run the ball.

I hear what you are saying. But we've won 3 of our last 4 games (and should have beat Detroit) without running the ball.

 

[texbumthelife]

Jobberone, I appreciate what you have done in this thread and I always enjoy reading your posts.

After reading through most of this it seems you're ok with abandoning the run when the defense has dictated to you and they are selling out to stop it. I can get behind that and agree with you. If they are going to stack the line every play and make you beat them with the pass, well then with all the weapons we have I say do it.

However, throughout the majority of the second half, the Vikings played a four man front and either zoned or manned up their linebackers. In fact, one of the few times they sold out against the run was the failed run in the third quarter on 3rd and 1, where Romo moved the ball. Otherwise, it was the exact opposite of what you're saying. They baited us to run almost the entire second half by showing pass defense the entire game. And why wouldn't they, this team has proven all season it's not willing to commit to the run.

So, in light of this, what reasons can you give why Murray had one carry in the second half? It certainly had nothing to do with how the defense was playing us.

(I say all of this with respect for conversations sake. I am not trying to come across as arrogant or crass. Genuinely looking for your opinion.)

 

[Rockport]

I hear what you are saying. But we've won 3 of our last 4 games (and should have beat Detroit) without running the ball.

I'm talking NFC East, playoffs and Super Bowl. You can't tell me after week 9 that we're nothing more than a 8-8 team. That might win the NFC East, but how far do you think we'll go? With an offensive philosophy change to where we practice the run more and thus run the ball more effectively in games, we could make some noise.

 

[jobberone]

[qhaven't"texbumthelife, post: 5284622, member: 11053"]Jobberone, I appreciate what you have done in this thread and I always enjoy reading your posts.

After reading through most of this it seems you're ok with abandoning the run when the defense has dictated to you and they are selling out to stop it. I can get behind that and agree with you. If they are going to stack the line every play and make you beat them with the pass, well then with all the weapons we have I say do it.

However, throughout the majority of the second half, the Vikings played a four man front and either zoned or manned up their linebackers. In fact, one of the few times they sold out against the run was the failed run in the third quarter on 3rd and 1, where Romo moved the ball. Otherwise, it was the exact opposite of what you're saying. They baited us to run almost the entire second half by showing pass defense the entire game. And why wouldn't they, this team has proven all season it's not willing to commit to the run.

So, in light of this, what reasons can you give why Murray had one carry in the second half? It certainly had nothing to do with how the defense was playing us.

(I say all of this with respect for conversations sake. I am not trying to come across as arrogant or crass. Genuinely looking for your opinion.)[/quote]

I haven't even looked at the coaches film. Should be out today so I'll try and look at it. I've been speaking in general as to why they may have not run.

Yes the D dictates the call at the LOS. to actally know why you'd have to ask Romo, Callahan and Garrett. Having said that my guess would be they decid ed at half time to run the ball in certain situations only. I'm on phone so let me look at the film and the premium and signature stats before making a better Guess.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I'm no genius, but if a team runs the ball , many things happen.
The DL has to keep tackling guys and getting dirty and keep getting their fat butts up from the ground,
They will get tired and slow their pass rushing ability. A pass rush is essentially a tiny wind sprint.
Who wants to do wind sprints after you have been getting piled on all day?
A run game is physical stuff. Maybe we shy away b/c we are light on the OL?
I do know this, your OL is better b/c they become the aggressor on a running play. It gives the OL a chance to go North instead of hold the fort.

 

[dallasdave]

I'm no genius, but if a team runs the ball , many things happen.
The DL has to keep tackling guys and getting dirty and keep getting their fat butts up from the ground,
They will get tired and slow their pass rushing ability. A pass rush is essentially a tiny wind sprint.
Who wants to do wind sprints after you have been getting piled on all day?
A run game is physical stuff. Maybe we shy away b/c we are light on the OL?
I do know this, your OL is better b/c they become the aggressor on a running play. It gives the OL a chance to go North instead of hold the fort.

Good point and I love that picture of the cheerleader-very hot.

 

[ufcrules1]

I hear what you are saying. But we've won 3 of our last 4 games (and should have beat Detroit) without running the ball.

First off, lets not count Detroit because we lost that game. So we won 3 games against teams that were all below .500. Out of the 3.. 2 of them were WAY below .500. Not really a good indicator that we can win without running the ball much.

 

[dallasdave]

First off, lets not count Detroit because we lost that game. So we won 3 games against teams that were all below .500. Out of the 3.. 2 of them were WAY below .500. Not really a good indicator that we can win without running the ball much.

Well said, stay thirsty my friend.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We don't do things to save our QB. We don't do things to save our Defense. We don't do things to save our OL. We don't do things to make it harder on the other team's defense.

We don't do these things and because of this, we allow teams to play with us when those teams really have no business staying with us. We've been this kind of team for several years now. This is what it appears we will continue to be.

 

[jobberone]

We don't do things to save our QB. We don't do things to save our Defense. We don't do things to save our OL. We don't do things to make it harder on the other team's defense.

We don't do these things and because of this, we allow teams to play with us when those teams really have no business staying with us. We've been this kind of team for several years now. This is what it appears we will continue to be.

Those are good points what would u do different ly?

 

[Tabascocat]

Those are good points what would u do different ly?

Install a new offensive approach(scheme) that may or may not include Garrett and Callahan in the off-season.

 

[CATCH17]

Giving reasons why they didn't run more is hardly an endorsement. But casually demanding a change in the coaching staff is foolish. As I've said before I dont know if Garrett is the right guy but he's been so handicapped by the defense u can't really properly evaluate him. People are crying about the records given up. Well that's defense and understandable. The offense may set records before its over. This is not a simple situation altho people are welcome to make it such

I've just seen year after year the same thing with this team and I don't think Jason Garrett really knows how to get his team over the hump.

With the players we have I do not feel like we should have struggled in mediocrity for this long with quality coaching.


Having coaches that believe we're supposed to line up and out athlete teams like its 1993 isn't going to work in this NFL for you because it's to hard to build an amazing team with depth and stay healthy. It's just not possible for anyone.

So we can keep on making excuses for the mediocrity or we can go out and get a coach that knows how to give his team an edge when everything isn't perfect because if everything was always perfect than anyone could coach.

 

[CATCH17]

We don't do things to save our QB. We don't do things to save our Defense. We don't do things to save our OL. We don't do things to make it harder on the other team's defense.

We don't do these things and because of this, we allow teams to play with us when those teams really have no business staying with us. We've been this kind of team for several years now. This is what it appears we will continue to be.

If I could I would sit here and hit the like button for about an hour.

Our coaches give us absolutely no edge. Our game plan is be basic and go and try to win your battle. If you don't win than we'll just blame execution.

Drew Brees will rip us to shreds bigtime this sunday. You know why? Because he will be 1 step ahead of us all week because he knows exactly that what he has seen on film is exactly what he is going to get on gameday.

All of our tendencies are there for teams to take advantage of anytime they want it.

Funny how Philly kept getting Carter stuck on the wheel routes over and over again right? It didn't work but they knew how to constantly get that matchup against us after looking at San Diego.

 

[jobberone]

I've just seen year after year the same thing with this team and I don't think Jason Garrett really knows how to get his team over the hump.

With the players we have I do not feel like we should have struggled in mediocrity for this long with quality coaching.


Having coaches that believe we're supposed to line up and out athlete teams like its 1993 isn't going to work in this NFL for you because it's to hard to build an amazing team with depth and stay healthy. It's just not possible for anyone.

So we can keep on making excuses for the mediocrity or we can go out and get a coach that knows how to give his team an edge when everything isn't perfect because if everything was always perfect than anyone could coach.

I agree its old. If you go back and look at the players on the OL over the last few years you'll get your answer for the most part. Some of the problem for not running is on the coaches and some on the players. You decide who owns what.

 

[dallasdave]

We need a man like Jimmy Johnson to lead the Cowboys back to the promised land

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can't tell me after week 9 that we're nothing more than a 8-8 team.

We could be. We could not be. No one knows. But I do know that looking back on history the last few years, not many could have predicted which team would win the super bowl only 9 weeks into the season.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree its old. If you go back and look at the players on the OL over the last few years you'll get your answer for the most part. Some of the problem for not running is on the coaches and some on the players. You decide who owns what.

The OL wasn't good but you're kidding yourself if you don't see teams with bad Oline play still having success.

When you're as basic as we are and you don't try to coach around a weakness you have then it's going to be way worse than it should be.

We did absolutely nothing in the past to help take pressure off this Oline. In fact I think we put an incredible amount of pressure on them.

Limited running, no misdirection, no screens, limited short passing, formation tendencies that give away the play, and consistently making them sit in their stance for 15 seconds before they ever come off the ball.