How can anyone defend these coaches?

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At least several more attempts for him.

4 carries is inexcusable and indefensible.

No player would be able to prove anything either way with so few opportunities.

Any this team will never be able to perform in the key area of rushing if they never even try.

I dare anybody to bring a cogent, persuasive argument to this backed with something tangible. Real numbers. Real strategy. Not conjecture and guess-work.

I triple-dog dare anybody.

I 100% agree with you, Stash and I would love to see someone step up and give a GOOD argument against this- someone saying this was sound strategy.

Yeah- they won. But the deep-seated problems with this team have gone nowhere. Nay- they are being confirmed.
 

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It's not discounted at all. The median is a better stat first of all. And it's not hard to understand that roughly 1 run in ten was successful. The fact he got 27 on that one is irrelevant to the fact that they were stonewalling the run game; all but one run. You only get so many offensive possessions a game. You can't hope the run game eventually gets off the ground and waste two or three offensive possessions. Not when it appears they are not just stonewalling the run but know when you're going to run and even where the ball is going. That may or may not be true but it should be obvious we couldn't run the ball against them nor against most teams and they were at the very least run blitzing and coming downhill on the run. Esp with our defense.

My last post to you as it's obvious you'll go down with the ship rather than even look at any reason why the Cowboys didn't run the ball but Garrett is stupid yada. No you and your little posse would rather mock anyone who doesn't have your narrow point of view on this subject.

I'm out of here as even silent majority don't need either you or me repeating ourselves on this matter any further. I've explained it so most can understand.

You can't expect the run game to get off the ground in four carries.

Next argument...
 

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You can't expect the run game to get off the ground in four carries.

Next argument...

Wasn't four carries. But not a lot more. There's lot more to it than that though. Not going to explain it again. Our run stats are out there for anyone to see for the entire year and you can look at just the last game.
 

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Wasn't four carries. But not a lot more. There's lot more to it than that though. Not going to explain it again. Our run stats are out there for anyone to see for the entire year and you can look at just the last game.

No need to repeat yourself- I read your posts.

You're right- more than four carries and you're right- not many more.

I watched their season long futility in the run game just like you have.

I still completely disagree with abandoning it. There's more to it than YPC.

It's also about setting up other plays strategically. It's also about TOP. It's about not letting the defense tee off on you every play. It's about making your play-actions not seem like a joke.

I completely disagree with disavowing the run game. No matter the futility.

No need to come back at me- we know each other's stance and we know re-hashing this yet again is rather pointless.

I respect your opinion like I'm sure you respect mine.
 

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No need to repeat yourself- I read your posts.

You're right- more than four carries and you're right- not many more.

I watched their season long futility in the run game just like you have.

I still completely disagree with abandoning it. There's more to it than YPC.

It's also about setting up other plays strategically. It's also about TOP. It's about not letting the defense tee off on you every play. It's about making your play-actions not seem like a joke.

I completely disagree with disavowing the run game. No matter the futility.

No need to come back at me- we know each other's stance and we know re-hashing this yet again is rather pointless.

I respect your opinion like I'm sure you respect mine.

I agree with everything you said. You simply need a running game to make teams play you st8. However, if a team is going to play to shut down the run then that ought to create opportunities in the passing game. And it has. And they have exploited it. Just not consistently. We are averaging almost 30 a game. I would have jumped for joy at that before the season started. Unfortunately it's not quite enough with our defense.

After the KC game I said you just saw what as many teams as can will do now. You can expect as much or more from NO, Chi, and Wash again. Romo needs to consistently beat that pressure to the run and pass game and not get rattled. Some of his quick and off target throws are from hurrying too much and feeling the pressure and heat.

You need a running game but you can't just blindly say they gave up on the running game because they're stupid or not even think about why did they do that.
 

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What is alarming is that this team is setting franchise records left and right this season.

Record low rushes in a game, record low rushing yards in a game, most 400 yard passers, first opposing 300 yard receiver, and yet you still have people thinking that the coaching is sound.

Yes, there are injuries, but these are historic performances, and not in a good way. How can you defend that? This is not the first time the talent has been poor. Even the 1-15 Johnson teams did not set records like this.
 

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What is alarming is that this team is setting franchise records left and right this season.

Record low rushes in a game, record low rushing yards in a game, most 400 yard passers, first opposing 300 yard receiver, and yet you still have people thinking that the coaching is sound.

Yes, there are injuries, but these are historic performances, and not in a good way. How can you defend that? This is not the first time the talent has been poor. Even the 1-15 Johnson teams did not set records like this.

Or the Dave Campo All-Seaworld teams. Let that sink in.
 

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What is alarming is that this team is setting franchise records left and right this season.

Record low rushes in a game, record low rushing yards in a game, most 400 yard passers, first opposing 300 yard receiver, and yet you still have people thinking that the coaching is sound.

Yes, there are injuries, but these are historic performances, and not in a good way. How can you defend that? This is not the first time the talent has been poor. Even the 1-15 Johnson teams did not set records like this.

Exactly.

We've effectively maxed out our credit card for the next several years and we're setting these kinds of records.

Records in futility.
 

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Good news: Next week, Garrett gets another opportunity to prove he's better than a .500 coach.
Bad news: Next week's opponent is the Saints coming off a loss.

Im actually wondering if Sean Payton and Drew Brees can set a record against this defense next week. Whats the record for total yards in a game?

  • Most Yards Gained, Single Team, Game, 735
Los Angeles Rams vs New York Yanks, Sep 28, 1951

Can they break the record next week?
 

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What is alarming is that this team is setting franchise records left and right this season.

Record low rushes in a game, record low rushing yards in a game, most 400 yard passers, first opposing 300 yard receiver, and yet you still have people thinking that the coaching is sound.

Yes, there are injuries, but these are historic performances, and not in a good way. How can you defend that? This is not the first time the talent has been poor. Even the 1-15 Johnson teams did not set records like this.

Because you (you collectively Alexander not really even you primarily) think they're doing something because they have to is not condoning all their actions. This team is having to contort itself to stay in ball games. What you should be thinking, IMHO, is how in the hell does this offense score roughly 30 points a game with an OL that can't run block worth a crap, one very good TE along with two most don't like and still don't play well, one WR throwing tantrums on the sidelines when he's not dropping passes, Williams a rookie who still is learning to run routes properly, Beasley who looks like a rag doll my Boxer shakes to kill when he's tackled, and Austin who...never mind he never actually plays. Oh, and PS: the guy you guys are moaning about not getting the ball is the same one most of you said needed to go because he can't stay healthy.

Or how is this defense with 3/4 scrubs on the DL getting decent pressure as often as they do? And how is it that teams aren't scoring 35+ pts most every game with that pass defense consisting of Webb a rookie from 'I have no idea where that is U', UDFA Heath from 'if they even knew where I'm from they'd have to look it up' small ball U, I'm too slow to play zone Carr, busted shoulder I can't tackle Claiborne, and OScan who most people have complained about for years esp the contract. And don't forget Church who has played how many games in the NFL. And let's not leave out the hated Sims or even Durant who doesn't play 1/2 the defensive snaps. And don't forget the starting FS is a rookie from GA Southern where he played QB, WR, and RB until his last year in college at a FCS school. But he's out, too.

I'm exaggerating but the above is the nonsense I hear constantly. There isn't one person on this board who wants to run more than I do. And I don't want to run the ball nearly as much as I'll bet Callahan does or even....gasp....Garrett not to mention Romo who'd like some frackin' help once in awhile. And as evidence I point to the StL game where Murray got 175 yards. And another I forget close in the 80s. So they run when they can. They just don't run the ball well most of the time.

Garrett's not the idiot. Nor is Callahan. You really think those guys got this far in football not ever understanding the importance of running the ball. Anyone who really believes they don't understand is the idiot.

All some of you do is go from one topic to the next complaining every single game....no every single day you're on this site....about Garrett, Romo, Callahan or the I can't believe those stupid jerks________ fill in the blank for the soup de jour.

Again not directed at you I just used your post as a spring board to go on this rant.

I'm going on vacation and I'm not saying where and I'll let you know if and when I'll be back when I get ready.
 

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Garrett's not the idiot. Nor is Callahan. You really think those guys got this far in football not ever understanding the importance of running the ball. Anyone who really believes they don't understand is the idiot.
Understanding is not the problem. They have already acknowledged it over and over. It is having the nerve to stick to the running game. In this case, there is more stubbornness going on and it is becoming almost denial the more they talk about the need, yet do not even make an attempt to be balanced.

At any rate, I was not concentrating on the running specifically as much as how some people can continue to defend the coaching staff (offense and defense) when they are setting records left and right for futility and ineptitude.

To me, when you break franchise records in that kind of fashion, it is impossible to excuse away.

This is not the first Dallas Cowboys team to have injuries. This is not the first to be undermanned personnel-wise. It is also not the first to be "unlucky".
 

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Understanding is not the problem. They have already acknowledged it over and over. It is having the nerve to stick to the running game. In this case, there is more stubbornness going on and it is becoming almost denial the more they talk about the need, yet do not even make an attempt to be balanced.

At any rate, I was not concentrating on the running specifically as much as how some people can continue to defend the coaching staff (offense and defense) when they are setting records left and right for futility and ineptitude.

To me, when you break franchise records in that kind of fashion, it is impossible to excuse away.

This is not the first Dallas Cowboys team to have injuries. This is not the first to be undermanned personnel-wise. It is also not the first to be "unlucky".

That's fair about the records. That's hard to take. You can choose to blame the coaches and they certainly do some things that have not just you and others but me scratching their heads. I just gave that one side of the equation because some seem to think that's the only side. There's nothing I said that's not true although others may certainly interpret the data differently. Things aren't peachy keen in Dallas. We know it and they know it.

Maybe they could run the ball more if they kept at it. If they did and kept getting 1 Y/C or less then they'd complain about why don't they throw the ball. I'd certainly like them to average 4.5+ Y/C but that's a pipe dream right now. I'd love to be able to run the ball inside the ten. I'd like to be able to run the clock out when necessary. Same thing picking up short yardage first downs. I'm sick of seeing us needing 1.5 yds and lining up in a spread shotgun. So when have you seen them be able to run the ball well? 1995 or so??

If they want to talk about why are we seeing Romo in the shotgun and an empty backfield on lots of running downs then I'm wondering what they have to say. I'd like to know. Or why are we throwing short on so many 3rd down conversions.

You play the cards in your hand and you do the best you can. We are playing not with a busted flush but an unpaired rainbow.
 

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Some really good arguments- Alexander and Jobberone.

These are posts that make me think about both sides long and hard.

I can't say I've out and out blamed the coaching staff, but I have been questioning them.

And fairly, from my point of view. You guys expand my horizons- football-wise.

Great posts, guys- I appreciate them.
 

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I just don't understand how anyone can think this coaching staff is acceptable for what should be one of the best franchises in in pro sports.

Dallas should have top notch guys. Instead our coaching staff is near the bottom of the league as far as game planning and playcalling.

The only advantage we ever have on teams is our talent and Romo's ability to buy time.
 

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I just don't understand how anyone can think this coaching staff is acceptable for what should be one of the best franchises in in pro sports.

Dallas should have top notch guys. Instead our coaching staff is near the bottom of the league as far as game planning and playcalling.

The only advantage we ever have on teams is our talent and Romo's ability to buy time.

The Cowboys need a coach who is a leader, motivator, knows how to draft, knows college football players, and is not an old has been. We need to find the next Jimmy Johnson and sign him and get rid of coaches we have now, and turn this team into a dynasty.
 

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Exactly.

We've effectively maxed out our credit card for the next several years and we're setting these kinds of records.

Records in futility.

Time to pay our debts on our credit card and get some new blood in Dallas . If people can't see this they need to go to the eye doctor.
 

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The Cowboys need a coach who is a leader, motivator, knows how to draft, knows college football players, and is not an old has been. We need to find the next Jimmy Johnson and sign him and get rid of coaches we have now, and turn this team into a dynasty.


See I actually think Garrett is a good leader and motivator but he is just completely awful when it comes to game planning and attacking defenses.
 

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jobberone put on a clinic.

For what its worth, jobb, you aren't entirely alone in your line of thinking. There are others of us who have the same viewpoint.
 

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See I actually think Garrett is a good leader and motivator but he is just completely awful when it comes to game planning and attacking defenses.

If you can rewatch the 2 superbowls where the Cowboys beat the Bills and watch Jimmy Johnson. This is what the Cowboys need and need quickly.
 
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