How Do the Eagles Have This Much Cap Space?

[Portnoy1]

Parsons will cost more than dak. We should trade him to the bears for their #9 and second rd pick. They would take it in a second. Could get two top offensive lineman and real dt. Cple that with a lb with our 2nd and rb I’m the third. Then get depth. We be set. But that just makes too much since.

Parsons? I want two first and a second at minimum

 

[birdwells1]

The sad thing is....their ayers are taking less to stay there. Our players want to all break the bank to stay here.

Culture.

And also....they know Jerruh is easily bested in any negotiation...so why not fleece him.

Tyron Smith and Diggs took less to stay here but what is the front office doing with the savings?

 

[birdwells1]

The Eagles have one player hitting the CAP over $20 million and that is Haason Reddick at about $21 million.

The Cowboys have Dak at nearly $60 million. That almost a $40 million difference which is why the Eagles are $34 million under the CAP this year.

If the signed him that would be much less, this is on the Joneses for dragging their feet.

 

[baltcowboy]

So what does “all in” mean exactly. If it’s just resigning their own guys then that is weak *** bs.

“All in” means let’s get more attention to the Cowboys gravy train. Plenty of Cowboys YouTubers and content creators made money off of that comment by Jerry. ESPN used the comment for 3 weeks now.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Why are we trying to trade All pro players? We draft a player hopes he becomes all pro and then turn on him because he well……turns all pro. This is crazy, no other teams work this way.

Yes they do, they evaluate what they've got and acknowledge value (eg Tyreek). You don't want too many highest played players....and those you do have better be earning that contract.

Also the cap goes up every year

The CAP goes up for everyone, hence all contracts go up. Restructuring will catch up with that team .....as it will will Eagles in 4/5 years time on Hurts deal, but by then they would have 'recycled' their present stars into draft picks (= on cheap rookie deals).

 

[CowboyoWales]

So what does “all in” mean exactly. If it’s just resigning their own guys then that is weak *** bs.

First problem is ....never listen to Jerry.
Second, as for ALL-IN, you better do it well (the Jones' don't have the accumin to do it).
Thirdly, 2023 was the ALL-IN year and the Gilmore and Cooks (with Pollard back), should have given us the chance (with reinforcements at the deadline) .... then the massacre in SF probably gave the jolt that we weren't close enough.
Yes, we need a GM that evaluates players by talent not popularity, but ALL-IN last year was (as GB proved) was a potential disaster, even greater than the one we're facing.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If the signed him that would be much less, this is on the Joneses for dragging their feet.

Are you sure, it appears that France is holding all the aces, just as he did last time (on length, NTC and F.Tag).
Dragging feet, is of benefit to Dak, why sign early when 'market setting' will pay him more money?

 

[Ranching]

They are better at the cap than us
And their QB isn't taking 60 million of it

Our QB is at 60 because of the restructures by the FO...that's not on him...unless the blame Dak blinders are on.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Our QB is at 60 because of the restructures by the FO...that's not on him...unless the blame Dak blinders are on.

So if the FO don't restructure how do we have three 12 winning seasons....you can't have if both ways. The restructuring is there, in part, as funding the roster at the moment in time.

 

[The Fonz]

Our Cap Boy is incompetent. same goes for our GM.

 

[kskboys]

They are better at the cap than us
And their QB isn't taking 60 million of it

Hurts did what Dak refused to do. Sign a longer contract so the team could work w/ it.


Cap number for Hurts in 2024: 13 mil and change.
Dak's cap number for 2024: 59 mil.

That right there, Mr. Das, is the difference.

 

[Proof]

So why make a comment like, Hurts has a bigger contract, without quantifying the aspects of the contract which really matters....ie - difference in length and deferred bonus payments.
.....and that Eagles work on Boom/Bust, we work on Perpetual Relevance (and hope).

uhh the quantifying isn’t my burden. pointing out that contracts can be manipulated however a team needs. paying dak his “big contract” isn’t the reason we can’t do what the eagles are doing. as evidenced by … what the eagles are doing after signing jalen to a bigger contract than daks

 

[kskboys]

It does effect the Cowboys though. It's not Daks fault though, its the structure of the contract along with the general philosophy of our front office. Dak is 4 years + 2 void years at $40M per year. Hurts is 5 years + 4 void years at $51M per year. The structure of Daks contract from the start was terrible for the Cowboys. Hurts despite being a larger AAV will never have the cap hit the Cowboys have this year. They'll come close in 2028, but they have plenty of flexibility to move his cap number around. Granted they'll be paying it off for a longer period of time odds are $10M in 2032 is the going rate for a backup QB by then.

You are forgetting that Dak refused to sign a longer deal. This is 100% Dak's fault.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Hurts did what Dak refused to do. Sign a longer contract so the team could work w/ it.


Cap number for Hurts in 2024: 13 mil and change.
Dak's cap number for 2024: 59 mil.

That right there, Mr. Das, is the difference.

Also another big point no one is mentioning is that Hurts agreed to to an extension immediately after year 3. That means his initial roster and signing bonuses hit while he was still on his rookie deal, whereas Dak was under his second franchise tag, so they all hit while he was going into his new deal.

That with the length of Hurts’ deal allowed his signing bonus cap hits to come off the books while the current contract is still going. Dak’s signing bonus from the last contract will still be hitting the dead cap when (if) he’s on his next deal

 

[CowboyoWales]

uhh the quantifying isn’t my burden. pointing out that contracts can be manipulated however a team needs. paying dak his “big contract” isn’t the reason we can’t do what the eagles are doing. as evidenced by … what the eagles are doing after signing jalen to a bigger contract than daks

Just look at the comparative breakdowns and CAP hits of the contracts (not just the amount in cash). Hurts contract gave 3/4 competitive years.
The Eagles are also willing to trade away or release popular players who can no longer perform to their contract....in a way that's what we're doing.

 

[Ranching]

So if the FO don't restructure how do we have three 12 winning seasons....you can't have if both ways. The restructuring is there, in part, as funding the roster at the moment in time.

Exactly, that's why I'm not crying and complaining about....I was just stating a fact. Some blame Dak for everything....over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[eromeopolk]

I just read that Josh Sweat has restructured his contract despite higher offers from other teams? Something isn't right. We can't afford players and Howie signs whoever he wants?

They have a real football GM. Also, that real GM is not the defacto Head Coach and Owner of the team.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Yet the same culture was a disaster last year. It was far worse in Philly than Dallas.

Both teams were blown out in the first round of the playoffs. It’s not a “culture” problem in Dallas or Philadelphia. Their respective coaching staffs did not have their teams prepared to play and they both got beat. Cowboys and Eagles are reassessing their teams and think they’re doing what is necessary to improve their chances of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. I would not bet my money either team winning the next one.

 

[StarOfGlory]

They know how to manipulate the cap, we do not or refuse to. It's why they've been in two SBs in 6 years and we haven't sniffed one in 27.

What Howie does is basically load cap hits into future years and essentially banks on the cap going up and up to eat up some of that pushed money. Sure, there is a risk there but unlike our two dopes, Roseman tries to be all in every year.

This, in a nutshell is what the Eagles do. They are working the system, taking interest-free loans, betting on the cash cow NFL to keep raising the cap. For example, those 4-5 year contracts with massive void years means that the years the players are playing are with artificially low cap hits. The big hit comes five or six years later. If the cap increases an average of 10-20% annually then when that big hit is paid, the actual salary cap will be over 2x or more what it is was year one, so it’s not as impactful. They also seem to plan for it really well, carrying over cap space annually.

These long term, back-loaded contracts only work if the players stay healthy and are good throughout the contract. Unfortunately, it seems like most of their core players play well into their mid-30s, retaining both trade value and comp pick value when released. Another risk is if they have to accelerate a contract because the player is no longer with them, a potentially crippling situation. But Roseman seems to be a master of dumping bad contracts onto idiot GM's around the league, so they rarely eat a bad contract.

 

[KingCorcoran]

uhh the quantifying isn’t my burden. pointing out that contracts can be manipulated however a team needs. paying dak his “big contract” isn’t the reason we can’t do what the eagles are doing. as evidenced by … what the eagles are doing after signing jalen to a bigger contract than daks

I think “manage” the cap, not manipulate, is more accurate. The Eagles will pay Hurts a lot of money and it will be accounted for under the salary cap at some point. But they locked him down and half the league will be paying their QB more than Hurts is getting before his deal is done. He’s not the highest paid QB right now. Dak and Tua are about to leap frog him, Lawrence will soon after. It might turn out to be a smart deal if Hurts can manage to be a top 15 QB in the league. They’ll know this season. He can’t say he doesn’t have weapons. They can escape his deal after the 2025 season, albeit costly. And his no trade clause will haunt them similar to Dak’s and the Cowboys right now.