How do you feel about the Cowboy's future?

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Have to build through draft. Look for Cowboys to draft DT and guard in first four rounds of draft.

that be great - but does Jerry know that's they way to build a foot ball team

I don't expect the OG until the 4 rd but he has to get a DT or DE this draft
 

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that be great - but does Jerry know that's they way to build a foot ball team

I don't expect the OG until the 4 rd but he has to get a DT or DE this draft

I don't see a DE in draft, and think we have people now, and OG and DT more pressing. Hatcher is toward end of career and a free agent.
 

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Optimistic.

As much as I don't like Garrett as a coach, I do think he has had a very positive effect on Jones player personnel decisions. It seems to me that Garrett finally has Jones realizing that football is won and lost in the trenches (Smith, Frederick) with a Defense and a running game. Only one of the best 3 teams in the NFL is a pass happy team (Denver). Seattle and San Fran are both defense and running game. Look at the 2 teams that made the Superbowl last year...defense and running game. Ever since the Jimmy Johnson days Jones has been too fixated on flashy position players rather than beef up front (with maybe the exception of Parcells era). I don't care about not having cap money for free agents (which I think is being blown out of proportion). They rarely work out anyway. We have a young enough core that if they just focus on the O-line and D-line next year I think we could be right in the Superbowl discussion honestly.

I want to see them franchise Hatcher, let Spencer go, let Miles go, let Berny go, let Durant go, and then hopefully go DE in round 1, OG in round 2, and RB in round 3 (sick on Murray getting hurt but he would make a fantastic 3rd down back).

Then next year let Hatcher walk and go DT/DE in rounds 1 and 2.

O-line would be rebuilt and young. D-line would be rebuilt and young. Then we would still have Lee, Carter, Carr, Claiborne, Scandrick, Wilcox on D.

and...Romo, Dez, Williams, Beasley, Harris, Witten, Smith, Frederick, Free, and Murray on O.

The O-line is almost rebuilt already. Even with Berny in for Waters it seems to be light years better than last year with a better Free, Frederick over Cook, and Leary over Livings.
 

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that be great - but does Jerry know that's they way to build a foot ball team

I don't expect the OG until the 4 rd but he has to get a DT or DE this draft

We need a guy like Saul as GM;).
 

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So you believe Garrett's players are UNDERACHIEVING? Which ones? Anthony Spencer, Miles Austin, Demarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Brian Waters? I've heard a lot of criticisms about Garrett but I never heard one that he doesn't get more out of his talent. You could argue he gets TOO much out of it. He has a .500 roster with injuries at 5-4.

But I guess this goes back to how fans underrate their talent. I actually tuned into Deadskins radio and I couldn't believe how many people calling in felt like Shanahan was underachieving and that the Deadskins had enough talent to be a Super Bowl contender. I guess every teams fans feel this way though. I guess its because most fans don't really get a grasp of what other teams are throwing out there since its hard to watch all their games.

Of course not even I blame him for the players who are hurt. Not even sure why you'd mention them.

But I don't know why you think we have a .500 roster. So we're playing to our maximum potential, really? I'll give you Denver, but no other coach could have won the San Diego or Detroit game? Are you sure about that? (And I'm going on the last three years now anyway, not just this year.)

And on your point about overrating our talent because they don't grasp what other teams have... Actually I think it's the opposite. I think some are so focused on this team that they don't realize that in this era especially, every other teams has holes. Every other team has injuries. Just look at the team we're playing today. They suffered a rash of injuries on defense before the season even started, and a lot of those starters weren't even particularly good to start with. I mean, they were counting on Kenyon Coleman, who has bounced all over the league, and Victor Butler to start. Victor Butler, who could barely get on the field here! So the guys behind them aren't even as good as those two were.

And we do have a lot of talent on offense with Dez, Wi, talent so many teams would love to have, especially at QB. I don't see how anyone can seriously deny that.

I'll try not to keep this going, as most people know I think Garrett offers us no advantages on the field and is a replacement level coach. It only really bugs me because I think we're wasting the prime (or now late prime) of a bunch of good players like Witten and Ware and especially Romo.
 

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Nice post! I see our team getting stronger next year. We will have some restructures in place to free up some money. If we were to get a FA on defense I'd go for Jared Allen on a 2 yr deal. I know he wants to win and he would bolster our Dline immediately. He would have an impact with the other Dlinemen in the same manner in which Waters was for the Oline.

I would also look at a 1 yr deal with Waters and draft another guard as well. He would come cheap for the impact he has on the line.

I wonder how much it would take to sign Jared Allen. He'll be 32 at the beginning of next season, but he has not missed a game since 2007. He's made a ton of money already, including 14 million for just this season.

I see Waters as insurance. If things don't work out to upgrade the Guard position in the off-season, then they can call up Waters just as the season is ready to start. If they get a legit starter to replace Bernadeau, then they won't need Waters, IMO.

I've only just started reviewing players for the 2014 draft, but the guy that I find most interesting that might be available for the Cowboys is Guard Cyril Richardson (6-5, 340). He has overwhelming size and is a good enough athlete to have played LT in college. He'll probably end up going off the board before the Cowboy pick, but it's hard to know at this point in time. I'm not overly impressed with the DLinemen that project to the late 1st round.
 

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The biggest question to me is the play calling which could easily be solved with a new O-Coordinator.

What do you think Jerry will do ?
He has already taken the play calling away from JG.
Do you see him bringing in an OC to redesign the offense ?

I have no idea about the play calling issue.

They (Callahan and Garrett) have to know that the run/pass is very predictable based on shotgun/under-center but continue to do it anyways. It's just too obvious to think that they don't know that their doing it.

If the Cowboys make the playoffs, then that might be enough to satisfy Jerry. He's already acknowledged that Bernadeau is not good enough when he signed Waters. On defense, he knows it's the 1st year in a new scheme and that the injury situation is drastic, especially the loss of Spencer and Ratliff.

Regardless of the final season outcome, Jerry will probably be happy with the player development side of the coaching effort. They're getting good play from many 1st time starters and contributions from many other young players. I think he would be very hesitant to put Romo, Dez, etc.. into a new offensive system.
 

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Our needs this coming offseason are DT, DE, OG. IF by some miracle we get one of each that really produces then we are in good shape for 2014.
After that who knows.
 

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So you believe Garrett's players are UNDERACHIEVING? Which ones? Anthony Spencer, Miles Austin, Demarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Brian Waters? I've heard a lot of criticisms about Garrett but I never heard one that he doesn't get more out of his talent. You could argue he gets TOO much out of it. He has a .500 roster with injuries at 5-4.
Of course not even I blame him for the players who are hurt. Not even sure why you'd mention them.

But I don't know why you think we have a .500 roster. So we're playing to our maximum potential, really? I'll give you Denver, but no other coach could have won the San Diego or Detroit game? Are you sure about that? (And I'm going on the last three years now anyway, not just this year.)

And on your point about overrating our talent because they don't grasp what other teams have... Actually I think it's the opposite. I think some are so focused on this team that they don't realize that in this era especially, every other teams has holes. Every other team has injuries. Just look at the team we're playing today. They suffered a rash of injuries on defense before the season even started, and a lot of those starters weren't even particularly good to start with. I mean, they were counting on Kenyon Coleman, who has bounced all over the league, and Victor Butler to start. Victor Butler, who could barely get on the field here! So the guys behind them aren't even as good as those two were.

And we do have a lot of talent on offense with Dez, Wi, talent so many teams would love to have, especially at QB. I don't see how anyone can seriously deny that.

I'll try not to keep this going, as most people know I think Garrett offers us no advantages on the field and is a replacement level coach. It only really bugs me because I think we're wasting the prime (or now late prime) of a bunch of good players like Witten and Ware and especially Romo.

You make valid points. I even agree with some. I do agree to an extent that may we do undervalue our talent at times.

In regards to the Aint's, I personally believe having a efficient offense helps their defense more than any personnel they could have. They score so many points a game that teams have to be one dimensional just to compete with them. And you go into a shootout with them and Drew Brees? Chances are you will lose and teams have.

In regards to the Denver and Chargers game? I didn't think it was a lack of coaching or not getting the most out of his players. I just feel we lacked execution. We lacked depth. When we need guys to step up its usually inexperience players. That's going to happen when you are sort of in this rebuilding stage the Cowboys are in. In the Detroit game by the time the 4th quarter came we were relying on Jakar Hamilton, Jeff Heat and Webb to get a defensive stop for us.

Offensively, yes, we do have talent. But how much more talented is our offense than the Chargers? Or the Bengal's? Or the Deadskins?

In regards to wasting Romo, Ware and Witten's primes.....I don't think that's Garrett that's more so them. When a 4th quarter play was needed in our 4 losses this year ask yourself what did Ware, Witten and Romo do to try and pull out that win? That's what it comes down to. We can talk about the players on this team but when a stop is needed or a play is needed to be made do you feel these guys are making them?
 

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Pretty much what you have seen the last 15 years. Mediocrity. Won't suck enough to ever have a terrible record outside of when Romo went down for the year and not good enough to really ever compete for a top spot in the NFC. As long as Garrett is here and has his offensive gameplan, we will be stale, predictable and no identity.

Ware and Witten are not getting younger. We are in salary cap hell. Spare me the restructuring of the contracts. That's just putting a bandaid on a broken leg. At some point, all that money we keep pushing back will have to be paid. Either suffer the consequences now or later. Jerry Jones has operated under the notion he's all about the here and now. And maybe that's today's NFL where things change in a hurry and all the pressure is to win now. But he has handed out so many bad contracts to scrubs and people with age. And it's hurting us. We have no money to spend. We don't even have enough to hardly keep our own guys. And we also have draft picks to worry about come next year.
 

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I think that the longer we keep Tony Romo, the longer our Super Bowl drought will continue. This guy is exciting during the regular season for a few games, outside of that, he's a guy that gets by on explosive plays from receivers. If you can't methodically and slowly walk down the field consistently, which he's not been able to do his entire career, you can't beat great defenses, or shall I say, smart defenses. He's not going to be there when it's time to do great things (playoffs, etc). He can't put together more than a couple of wins in a row, maybe 3 at the most. And if you can't do that, no way you can win a Super Bowl.

The only way to get this thing rolling towards a Super Bowl, and not just exciting regular season wins, we have to find a way to trade this guy since the genius locked him up for 5 or 6 years. His arm is getting weaker, and he's not moving nearly as quick as 2 or 3 years ago. We need to draft a 1st round quarterback, and get a top notch coach in here, and then, and only then will we have a shot at the glory years again. This post will go un-noticed and chastised, but I've preached this for 5 years, and so far, I'm still correct. No matter how you feel about it, he or teams surrounding him, aren't good for the post season.
 

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I don't see a DE in draft, and think we have people now, and OG and DT more pressing. Hatcher is toward end of career and a free agent.

DE is a more important position than OG. And more of a need.
 

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DE is a more important position than OG.

Yes, but later in the 1st round you might be choosing between the top rated Guard and the 5th rated DE.
And more of a need.
I don't know about that.

Selvie >> Bernadeau.

Based on last weeks game, even Everett Brown looked like a better NFL player than Bernadeau.
 

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Assuming we can continue to find young talent as we have the last few years (Dez, Lee, Smith, Fred, etc.), we MUST find a good, young QB/DE to take over the reins from Romo/Ware, because by the time this team has filled the holes, IMO, Romo/Ware will be way past their prime.

It's sad, actually, that having filled two (QB/DE) of the most critical positions (QB/DE/LT/CB) in football for as long as they were here, we've not been able to build a good team around them.

Obviously, I think Witten is in the same boat as Romo/Ware, but I HOPE (pray actually) that Escobar will be a decent replacement. I'm not holding out hope that he's a HOF-caliber TE, but above-average would be nice.

I said a long time ago, that the team was wasting Romo/Ware's careers, and it looks like it's coming to pass. By the time this team is ready to compete for a championship, I don't think Romo and Ware will be, so the next two/three years are critical to the next decade for the Cowboys.
 

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For sake of argument, I am referring to the next 2 years.
In my opinion, what you see is what you got.
Because of the high cap hits we are carrying on the older vets, I don't see us as players
in free agency the next 2 years.
Stephen Jones has said as much.
We will be doing well to tie up our good young players like Dez.

I also have concern about our older players declining in performance due to age and injury, ie D. Ware.

Really the only potential changes I see would be draft picks coming in , and , or coaching changes.

So do you feel optimistic or pessimisic about our future ?

What facts would support your position ?
 

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I think that the longer we keep Tony Romo, the longer our Super Bowl drought will continue. This guy is exciting during the regular season for a few games, outside of that, he's a guy that gets by on explosive plays from receivers. If you can't methodically and slowly walk down the field consistently, which he's not been able to do his entire career, you can't beat great defenses, or shall I say, smart defenses. He's not going to be there when it's time to do great things (playoffs, etc). He can't put together more than a couple of wins in a row, maybe 3 at the most. And if you can't do that, no way you can win a Super Bowl.

The only way to get this thing rolling towards a Super Bowl, and not just exciting regular season wins, we have to find a way to trade this guy since the genius locked him up for 5 or 6 years. His arm is getting weaker, and he's not moving nearly as quick as 2 or 3 years ago. We need to draft a 1st round quarterback, and get a top notch coach in here, and then, and only then will we have a shot at the glory years again. This post will go un-noticed and chastised, but I've preached this for 5 years, and so far, I'm still correct. No matter how you feel about it, he or teams surrounding him, aren't good for the post season.

same old same old Romo hate

Romo is crap
Romo is the problem
Get rid of Romo and we will be fine

Total complete BS
 
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