How Elite Has Tony Romo Been?

[DFWJC]

Here's another one. Consecutive seasons with a passer rating of at least 90:

http://cover32.com/cowboys/2015/02/26/how-elite-has-tony-romo-been/

That's cool.
That's a record that, this year, he could actually take (or tie for) the all time NFL lead.

 

[KJJ]

I would like to see the article that places him behind Cutler. Hard to believe anyone could be that stupid.

Can't be a recent article or they are stupid.

 

[percyhoward]

There is a huge disconnect between Aaron Rodger's QB rating in the 4th quarter (which is very good) and his win/loss record (which is very poor) in those situations - shockingly so. The delta is so huge is almost defies logic.

I think that's because he doesn't take risk, to win games late you have to take shots, and he doesn't. At least that's what I believe.

That's a big part of it. Another big part of it is that in the late-and-close situations in which the Packers actually do come out on top, Rodgers' rating is through the roof.

Some numbers to illustrate how QB play can sometimes be too conservative. "Big play" refers to the percentage of 3rd- or 4th-down completions that gained 15+ yards.

Late in close losses, 3rd or 4th down
Rodgers
sack percentage: 11.8%
big play percentage: 22.0%
yards per attempt: 6.6

Romo
sack percentage: 5.4%
big play percentage: 41.3%
yards per attempt: 8.6

On 3rd or 4th down of close games that these QB's teams ultimately lost, Rodgers has been more than twice as likely as Romo to be sacked. Romo has been about twice as likely to complete a big play as Rodgers. Where Rodgers typically takes the sack or the completion short of the first down, Romo takes the shot (and sometimes the INT) more often than Rodgers.

 

[percyhoward]

Really? 2 wins in 6 playoff appearances and you bring this?

One minute we're talking about Romo's decision-making, the next we're talking about the team's playoff performances?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I feel like Romo could have won multiple Super Bowls in the right situation. Certainly, if a vastly inferior talent like Russell Wilson can come a play away from winning two, Romo is capable of it.

The problem you have is you're a frustrated fan and the QB is the face of the franchise. So he takes the criticism.

Frustrated yes. Clear headed in these thoughts yes.

He is taking criticism because he was a big part of why we have not gone deep into playoffs.
Please recognize that if we do not get gift in Detroit game that he is one and done again. Couple that with the win and you are in (loss) situations. 3 times?

 

[percyhoward]

That's cool.
That's a record that, this year, he could actually take (or tie for) the all time NFL lead.

That information is wrong for a couple of reasons, and also misleading because of differences in era, as stated above. What Romo could do this year is have a 9th consecutive season in which he ranked among the top 10 in passer rating. Rankings don't depend on era, except that the bigger the league, the more the ranking means.

Manning has done it 15 consecutive seasons, Brady has 11, and nobody else has ever had more than 8.

 

[5Stars]

Frustrated yes. Clear headed in these thoughts yes.

He is taking criticism because he was a big part of why we have not gone deep into playoffs.
Please recognize that if we do not get gift in Detroit game that he is one and done again. Couple that with the win and you are in (loss) situations. 3 times?

Maybe someday you will learn the game of football! smh

(kids now days)

 

[percyhoward]

So basically what you're saying is that Rodgers is just light years beyond every other QB in an era considered the 'golden era' of QBs. I know after the Patriots Super Bowl this year everyone was asking is Brady the GOAT now? But really they were asking is Brady the 2nd best of all time. Because right now barring injury Rodgers will smash every QB record, while also cashing in a couple rings.

Top 5 All-Time Career TD/INT Ratio
Rodgers 226/57 3.96
Brady 392/143 2.74
PManning 530/234 2.27
Romo 242/110 2.20
Young 232/107 2.17

This is where Rodgers is doing his Bob Beamon impersonation. Rodgers has led the NFL in this category three times, which already ties him with Staubach for the most ever.

 

[BIGDen]

Top 5 All-Time Career TD/INT Ratio
Rodgers 226/57 3.96
Brady 392/143 2.74
PManning 530/234 2.27
Romo 242/110 2.20
Young 232/107 2.17

This is where Rodgers is doing his Bob Beamon impersonation. Rodgers has led the NFL in this category three times, which already ties him with Staubach for the most ever.

Rodgers TD:INT ratio is insane. Almost 4:1. That's like....Romo's postseason TD to INT ratio.

I KNOW it's a much smaller sample size. Just wanted to say it

 

[NeonDeion21]

That information is wrong for a couple of reasons, and also misleading because of differences in era, as stated above. What Romo could do this year is have a 9th consecutive season in which he ranked among the top 10 in passer rating. Rankings don't depend on era, except that the bigger the league, the more the ranking means.

Manning has done it 15 consecutive seasons, Brady has 11, and nobody else has ever had more than 8.

If you don't count Peyton's 2011 season, then he will have 15 straight.

 

[DFWJC]

One minute we're talking about Romo's decision-making, the next we're talking about the team's playoff performances?

He's comically clueless on this topic and specifically in that regard.

He's so far off on this stuff that I'm trying real hard not to devalue ALL of his input regarding the game of football in general.
Right now, I'm not yet doing that. But it really is getting more difficult.

 

[percyhoward]

If you don't count Peyton's 2011 season, then he will have 15 straight.

Manning didn't have a 2011 season to count, and he already has 15 consecutive Top 10's (1999-2010, 2012-2014).

 

[DFWJC]

That information is wrong for a couple of reasons, and also misleading because of differences in era, as stated above. What Romo could do this year is have a 9th consecutive season in which he ranked among the top 10 in passer rating. Rankings don't depend on era, except that the bigger the league, the more the ranking means.

Manning has done it 15 consecutive seasons, Brady has 11, and nobody else has ever had more than 8.

Of course I realize this but it's always good to point it out.
Was just trying to throw Tony the rare bone there.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Frustrated yes. Clear headed in these thoughts yes.

He is taking criticism because he was a big part of why we have not gone deep into playoffs.
Please recognize that if we do not get gift in Detroit game that he is one and done again. Couple that with the win and you are in (loss) situations. 3 times?

First, I want to say that thought that your posts about rooting for Romo and all of us all being Cowboy fans were very good and I do believe you're sincere about all of it. Once in awhile I need to catch myself so I don't get too personal even when strongly disagreeing. I would hope that if any of us found ourselves at an Eagles game and we were in some trouble, we would have each other's back.

Okay, back to the disagreement. See, here's what many of us just don't get--

Your post above reveals a lot about your mindset and gets right to the heart of the problem many of us have.

It's "WE" (the Cowboys) if we don't get a gift in the Detroit game..."
But it's... "HE" (Tony) is one and done again.

That's what drives everybody crazy. Russell Wilson should've won another Super Bowl and because of a coach's decision he didn't. Does that go down as "HE" lost a Super Bowl? It such a disingenuous and inaccurate label. As I've said, nobody would have a problem with the stance that the Cowboys haven't won a Super Bowl in 1994 and you believe part of that reason is Romo's play.

But to say we haven't won a Super Bowl because of him and defend that stance day in and day out is simply unfair and honestly feels personal.

 

[percyhoward]

Of course I realize this but it's always good to point it out.
Was just trying to throw Tony the rare bone there.

There are 23 Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and only Joe Montana had more consecutive Top 10 seasons than Tony Romo has already.

Montana had 13 straight seasons when he ranked in the top 10 at the time, but he was 10th in 1986 in a 28-team league, which is the equivalent of 11th or 12th today. So adjusting for league size, nobody in the Hall of Fame right now has more consecutive Top 10's than Romo. And playing in a pass-happy era doesn't make it easier to put together Top 10 seasons.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

First, I want to say that thought that your posts about rooting for Romo and all of us all being Cowboy fans were very good and I do believe you're sincere about all of it. Once in awhile I need to catch myself so I don't get too personal even when strongly disagreeing. I would hope that if any of us found ourselves at an Eagles game and we were in some trouble, we would have each other's back..

True. I am sincere.
I would have you or anyone else's back in a time of need. Cowboys fan makes that twofold.

Okay, back to the disagreement. See, here's what many of us just don't get--

Your post above reveals a lot about your mindset and gets right to the heart of the problem many of us have.

It's "WE" (the Cowboys) if we don't get a gift in the Detroit game..."
But it's... "HE" (Tony) is one and done again.

That's what drives everybody crazy. Russell Wilson should've won another Super Bowl and because of a coach's decision he didn't. Does that go down as "HE" lost a Super Bowl? It such a disingenuous and inaccurate label. As I've said, nobody would have a problem with the stance that the Cowboys haven't won a Super Bowl in 1994 and you believe part of that reason is Romo's play.

But to say we haven't won a Super Bowl because of him and defend that stance day in and day out is simply unfair and honestly feels personal.

My mindset is easy to understand. He has singlehandedly lead us to "exit stage right" in more than a few games.

Here's the thing: Romo has true greatness. His kryptonite has been, at times, between the ears "certain decisions". The part of him that is Favre-like will get you stats will also gets early exits.


Anyway, we agree. It's cool.

Maybe all this goes away next year.

I won't be the guy that still has issues with Romo if he wins a Super Bowl. THAT.... won't do even if he goes 15. of 18 for 150 yards with zero TD's.

Just want #6

 

[CF74]

Yeah, that was pretty meaningless. None of those players would have won a Super Bowl here with Romo's supporting cast over the years. So all your response proved is how irrational fans can be.

I'm not a fan boy for anyone. I have no connection to any of these players. I just call it as I see it and IMO, there isn't a better QB in the NFL today than Tony Romo. He was the rightful MVP of the league. Something I never said before in his career. In 2014 he deserved it.

Numbers-wise he's up there with Rodgers but skill-wise he can't make the same throws as Rodgers..

Romo has Dez and Dez is a far superior athlete to Jordan, it's not even close.. It's a good trade off and each talent elevates and balances out the other..

Teams don't fear Romo they fear Dez and Murray. They either double and triple Dez all day or they stack the box to stop Murray..

I should just shut up and let you silly homers have your fun...

#Ignoranceisbliss