How Elite Has Tony Romo Been?

[AzorAhai]

This Romo thread is the same as all other Romo threads. Same rule still applies for me. If you want to see how knowledgeable a football fan is, ask them about Tony Romo.

I can understand the debate between some who say all time great vs some who say only elite/very good but anyone who would argue on the Romo sucks side or he's easily replaced side is not someone worth debating with. You will not win. You will not change their mind. Data, statistics, game play has no merit to those on that side of the argument so just accept that to some fans, he will never be good enough because he's not wearing a SB ring...Yet.

 

[DallasEast]

This Romo thread is the same as all other Romo threads. Same rule still applies for me. If you want to see how knowledgeable a football fan is, ask them about Tony Romo.

I can understand the debate between some who say all time great vs some who say only elite/very good but anyone who would argue on the Romo sucks side or he's easily replaced side is not someone worth debating with. You will not win. You will not change their mind. Data, statistics, game play has no merit to those on that side of the argument so just accept that to some fans, he will never be good enough because he's not wearing a SB ring...Yet.

yep.

 

[burmafrd]

This Romo thread is the same as all other Romo threads. Same rule still applies for me. If you want to see how knowledgeable a football fan is, ask them about Tony Romo.

I can understand the debate between some who say all time great vs some who say only elite/very good but anyone who would argue on the Romo sucks side or he's easily replaced side is not someone worth debating with. You will not win. You will not change their mind. Data, statistics, game play has no merit to those on that side of the argument so just accept that to some fans, he will never be good enough because he's not wearing a SB ring...Yet.

yep. LIke all delusional fanatics reality is a foreign concept to Romo haters.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Here's another one. Consecutive seasons with a passer rating of at least 90:

http://cover32.com/cowboys/2015/02/26/how-elite-has-tony-romo-been/

 

[percyhoward]

Here's another one. Consecutive seasons with a passer rating of at least 90:

To qualify for a season, the player has to average at least 14 attempts in each of his team's games, or total at least 224 attempts over a season. So Manning has 11 consecutive seasons of a 90+ rating. He missed the entire 2011 season due to injury, so 2010 and 2012 were consecutive seasons for him. Also, Romo has 8 instead of 9, because 2010 was not a qualifying season in passer rating for him (11 attempts short), making his 2009 and 2011 consecutive seasons.

That said, Montana had 13 seasons in a row above an 80 rating in an era when the average rating was 10 points lower than it is now. Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.1, but neither of those players make it onto that list with Trent Green and Matt Schaub because of the difference in eras.

Looking at their average rank in passer rating in their seven best seasons: Staubach 3rd, Montana 3rd, Green 9th, Schaub 13th.

Romo 6th, btw.

 

[NeonDeion21]

To qualify for a season, the player has to average at least 14 attempts in each of his team's games, or total at least 224 attempts over a season. So Manning has 11 consecutive seasons of a 90+ rating. He missed the entire 2011 season due to injury, so 2010 and 2012 were consecutive seasons for him. Also, Romo has 8 instead of 9, because 2010 was not a qualifying season in passer rating for him (11 attempts short), making his 2009 and 2011 consecutive seasons.

That said, Montana had 13 seasons in a row above an 80 rating in an era when the average rating was 10 points lower than it is now. Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.1, but neither of those players make it onto that list with Trent Green and Matt Schaub because of the difference in eras.

Looking at their average rank in passer rating in their seven best seasons: Staubach 3rd, Montana 3rd, Green 9th, Schaub 13th.

Romo 6th, btw.

I used 10 attempts per season, just to get rid of non-QB qualifiers. I just found this interesting.

 

[percyhoward]

I used 10 attempts per season, just to get rid of non-QB qualifiers. I just found this interesting.

Definitely more interesting than an opinion, because it's empirical in nature. And it does provide some perspective about how remarkably consistent Romo has been, within his era.

 

[DandyDon1722]

This Romo thread is the same as all other Romo threads. Same rule still applies for me. If you want to see how knowledgeable a football fan is, ask them about Tony Romo.

I can understand the debate between some who say all time great vs some who say only elite/very good but anyone who would argue on the Romo sucks side or he's easily replaced side is not someone worth debating with. You will not win. You will not change their mind. Data, statistics, game play has no merit to those on that side of the argument so just accept that to some fans, he will never be good enough because he's not wearing a SB ring...Yet.

Great story I heard on Colin one morning. There's a GM of an NFL team who sometimes gets noticed in the city his team plays in. When engaged by a fan, he takes into consideration the time he has, the fan's demeanor (and politeness) and finally the fan's football IQ, before he will actually talk football.

His IQ test? Tony Romo.

He will ask the fan what he think of Romo. If he gets the "choker" or "loser" cliche's he finds a way to move on. There's just nothing there to converse about. If, on the other hand he gets an intelligent response, he says he will always talk football and answer questions. He does this because his father once told him he had a responsibility to his profession and the fans to let them peek into a world they are so passionate about. He never forgot that as he moved up the organizational ranks.

He told Colin Tony is the perfect barometer for him between knowledge and narrative.

If this guy ever attends the Cowboy Zone Christmas party - there a a few spots where he'll be able to move right along.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Romo, to me, is a top tier, elite QB. Right there with Brady, Rodgers and Manning. I will cling to his pant leg when he walks away from the game.

Let's see if we can do this without the panties getting all bunched up on this board...

Brady 4 SB wins
Rodgers 1 SB win
Manning 1 SB win

You could argue that Romo and his decision making (not just my opinion, but the opinion of many) would lead to less than the 6 SB wins ( you are already qualifying that the team around those QBs was good to very good to enable QB to win( which I disagree with but that's another thread)).

I think mayyyyybe he gets the one SB won that Manning got vs Bears. Maybe. But definitely not 6. One maybe.

 

[Risen Star]

Let's see if we can do this without the panties getting all bunched up on this board...

Brady 4 SB wins
Rodgers 1 SB win
Manning 1 SB win

You could argue that Romo and his decision making (not just my opinion, but the opinion of many) would lead to less than the 6 SB wins ( you are already qualifying that the team around those QBs was good to very good to enable QB to win( which I disagree with but that's another thread)).

I think mayyyyybe he gets the one SB won that Manning got vs Bears. Maybe. But definitely not 6. One maybe.

Yeah, that was pretty meaningless. None of those players would have won a Super Bowl here with Romo's supporting cast over the years. So all your response proved is how irrational fans can be.

I'm not a fan boy for anyone. I have no connection to any of these players. I just call it as I see it and IMO, there isn't a better QB in the NFL today than Tony Romo. He was the rightful MVP of the league. Something I never said before in his career. In 2014 he deserved it.

 

[percyhoward]

You could argue that Romo and his decision making (not just my opinion, but the opinion of many) would lead to less than the 6 SB wins.

One-score games, 4th quarter (2006-14)
among top 10 passers, includes playoffs

15:00 left
Rodgers 104.7
PManning 100.3
Romo 100.0
EManning 91.7
Brees 91.3
Roethlisbrgr 86.8
Brady 84.6
Ryan 80.9
Stafford 79.8
Rivers 78.0

10:00 left
Rodgers 104.8
PManning 104.2
Romo 96.6
Roethlisbrgr 90.1
Brees 89.9
EManning 89.1
Rivers 81.0
Brady 79.6
Stafford 79.4
Ryan 78.5

5:00 left
Rodgers 107.1
PManning 96.4
Roethlisbrgr 89.4
EManning 83.5
Romo 82.1
Stafford 80.6
Brady 74.7
Brees 74.4
Rivers 72.7
Ryan 69.9

2:00 left
Rodgers 94.2
Romo 83.5
Roethlisberger 87.1
PManning 77.0
EManning 74.7
Stafford 74.6
Brees 69.3
Rivers 68.1
Ryan 61.2
Brady 58.4

The only players in the top 5 at all if the time intervals are Rodgers, Peyton, and Romo. If there's supposed to be some kind of problem with Romo's decision-making, it isn't late in close games.

Maybe you're talking about decision-making in the first three quarters, or decision making in games that have already been decided?

 

[DandyDon1722]

One-score games, 4th quarter (2006-14)
among top 10 passers, includes playoffs

15:00 left
Rodgers 104.7
PManning 100.3
Romo 100.0
EManning 91.7
Brees 91.3
Roethlisbrgr 86.8
Brady 84.6
Ryan 80.9
Stafford 79.8
Rivers 78.0

10:00 left
Rodgers 104.8
PManning 104.2
Romo 96.6
Roethlisbrgr 90.1
Brees 89.9
EManning 89.1
Rivers 81.0
Brady 79.6
Stafford 79.4
Ryan 78.5

5:00 left
Rodgers 107.1
PManning 96.4
Roethlisbrgr 89.4
EManning 83.5
Romo 82.1
Stafford 80.6
Brady 74.7
Brees 74.4
Rivers 72.7
Ryan 69.9

2:00 left
Rodgers 94.2
Romo 83.5
Roethlisberger 87.1
PManning 77.0
EManning 74.7
Stafford 74.6
Brees 69.3
Rivers 68.1
Ryan 61.2
Brady 58.4

The only players in the top 5 at all if the time intervals are Rodgers, Peyton, and Romo. If there's supposed to be some kind of problem with Romo's decision-making, it isn't late in close games.

Maybe you're talking about decision-making in the first three quarters, or decision making in games that have already been decided?

LOL - and I'm sure you'll be ready for him if he comes back with that nonsense.

 

[Risen Star]

LOL - and I'm sure you'll be ready for him if he comes back with that nonsense.

Percy's the Ronda Rousey of the board. If you charge him with supposed facts, he just judo tosses you to the ground and collects your arm.

 

[perrykemp]

One-score games, 4th quarter (2006-14)
among top 10 passers, includes playoffs

15:00 left
Rodgers 104.7
PManning 100.3
Romo 100.0
EManning 91.7
Brees 91.3
Roethlisbrgr 86.8
Brady 84.6
Ryan 80.9
Stafford 79.8
Rivers 78.0

10:00 left
Rodgers 104.8
PManning 104.2
Romo 96.6
Roethlisbrgr 90.1
Brees 89.9
EManning 89.1
Rivers 81.0
Brady 79.6
Stafford 79.4
Ryan 78.5

5:00 left
Rodgers 107.1
PManning 96.4
Roethlisbrgr 89.4
EManning 83.5
Romo 82.1
Stafford 80.6
Brady 74.7
Brees 74.4
Rivers 72.7
Ryan 69.9

2:00 left
Rodgers 94.2
Romo 83.5
Roethlisberger 87.1
PManning 77.0
EManning 74.7
Stafford 74.6
Brees 69.3
Rivers 68.1
Ryan 61.2
Brady 58.4

The only players in the top 5 at all if the time intervals are Rodgers, Peyton, and Romo. If there's supposed to be some kind of problem with Romo's decision-making, it isn't late in close games.

Maybe you're talking about decision-making in the first three quarters, or decision making in games that have already been decided?

There is a huge disconnect between Aaron Rodger's QB rating in the 4th quarter (which is very good) and his win/loss record (which is very poor) in those situations - shockingly so. The delta is so huge is almost defies logic.

 

[dstovall5]

One-score games, 4th quarter (2006-14)
among top 10 passers, includes playoffs

15:00 left
Rodgers 104.7
PManning 100.3
Romo 100.0
EManning 91.7
Brees 91.3
Roethlisbrgr 86.8
Brady 84.6
Ryan 80.9
Stafford 79.8
Rivers 78.0

10:00 left
Rodgers 104.8
PManning 104.2
Romo 96.6
Roethlisbrgr 90.1
Brees 89.9
EManning 89.1
Rivers 81.0
Brady 79.6
Stafford 79.4
Ryan 78.5

5:00 left
Rodgers 107.1
PManning 96.4
Roethlisbrgr 89.4
EManning 83.5
Romo 82.1
Stafford 80.6
Brady 74.7
Brees 74.4
Rivers 72.7
Ryan 69.9

2:00 left
Rodgers 94.2
Romo 83.5
Roethlisberger 87.1
PManning 77.0
EManning 74.7
Stafford 74.6
Brees 69.3
Rivers 68.1
Ryan 61.2
Brady 58.4

The only players in the top 5 at all if the time intervals are Rodgers, Peyton, and Romo. If there's supposed to be some kind of problem with Romo's decision-making, it isn't late in close games.

Maybe you're talking about decision-making in the first three quarters, or decision making in games that have already been decided?

So basically what you're saying is that Rodgers is just light years beyond every other QB in an era considered the 'golden era' of QBs. I know after the Patriots Super Bowl this year everyone was asking is Brady the GOAT now? But really they were asking is Brady the 2nd best of all time. Because right now barring injury Rodgers will smash every QB record, while also cashing in a couple rings. As for Romo, me personally this year he just had elevated him above Brees. Yes I know Brees has a ring and Romo doesn't, but I don't want to hear none of that nonsense. This sport is widely recognized as the ultimate team sport for a reason.

Rodgers

Brady
Manning

Romo
Brees
Roethlisberger
Luck

Flacco *Playoff performances elevate him*
Wilson
Rivers

Give me those guys in that order RIGHT NOW, you can have everybody else. I might even take Roethlisberger over Brees, I like his ability to extend plays, much like Romo.

 

[dstovall5]

There is a huge disconnect between Aaron Rodger's QB rating in the 4th quarter (which is very good) and his win/loss record (which is very poor) in those situations - shockingly so.

I think that's because he doesn't take risk, to win games late you have to take shots, and he doesn't. At least that's what I believe.

 

[erod]

Both Staubach and Aikman say Romo is every bit the QB they were, just not with as good of teams. I saw every one of their games, and I agree.

Most people on the internet can barely tie their shoes.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

One-score games, 4th quarter (2006-14)
among top 10 passers, includes playoffs

15:00 left
Rodgers 104.7
PManning 100.3
Romo 100.0
EManning 91.7
Brees 91.3
Roethlisbrgr 86.8
Brady 84.6
Ryan 80.9
Stafford 79.8
Rivers 78.0

10:00 left
Rodgers 104.8
PManning 104.2
Romo 96.6
Roethlisbrgr 90.1
Brees 89.9
EManning 89.1
Rivers 81.0
Brady 79.6
Stafford 79.4
Ryan 78.5

5:00 left
Rodgers 107.1
PManning 96.4
Roethlisbrgr 89.4
EManning 83.5
Romo 82.1
Stafford 80.6
Brady 74.7
Brees 74.4
Rivers 72.7
Ryan 69.9

2:00 left
Rodgers 94.2
Romo 83.5
Roethlisberger 87.1
PManning 77.0
EManning 74.7
Stafford 74.6
Brees 69.3
Rivers 68.1
Ryan 61.2
Brady 58.4

The only players in the top 5 at all if the time intervals are Rodgers, Peyton, and Romo. If there's supposed to be some kind of problem with Romo's decision-making, it isn't late in close games.

Maybe you're talking about decision-making in the first three quarters, or decision making in games that have already been decided?

Really? 2 wins in 6 playoff appearances and you bring this? Should actually be 1 win in 5 playoff appeases. Green Bay playoff game was a gift.

Yeah, that was pretty meaningless. None of those players would have won a Super Bowl here with Romo's supporting cast over the years. So all your response proved is how irrational fans can be.

I'm not a fan boy for anyone. I have no connection to any of these players. I just call it as I see it and IMO, there isn't a better QB in the NFL today than Tony Romo. He was the rightful MVP of the league. Something I never said before in his career. In 2014 he deserved it.

So you basically didn't comment on my post. You just flipped it.
Would Romo win 1 or all 6 of those Super Bowls?

You and others know that he would throw an int and lose some of them. Geez you guys act like what I post is made up. These crucial bad decisions make up most of his legacy. Like it or not. Stats aside,




I don't dislike anyone on here. We are all cowboys fans. I am not going to resort to name calling or call soneone out on their football knowledge.


But this is nonsense. A built in, ready for prime time excuse because he hasn't done well in playoffs, hasn't won a Super Bowl. If he retires without SB then it's already been written.

It was everyone else's fault.

 

[Risen Star]

Really? 2 wins in 6 playoff appearances and you bring this? Should actually be 1 win in 5 playoff appeases. Green Bay playoff game was a gift.






So you basically didn't comment on my post. You just flipped it.
Would Romo win 1 or all 6 of those Super Bowls?

You and others know that he would throw an int and lose some of them. Geez you guys act like what I post is made up. These crucial bad decisions make up most of his legacy. Like it or not. Stats aside,




I don't dislike anyone on here. We are all cowboys fans. I am not going to resort to name calling or call soneone out on their football knowledge.


But this is nonsense. A built in, ready for prime time excuse because he hasn't done well in playoffs, hasn't won a Super Bowl. If he retires without SB then it's already been written.

It was everyone else's fault.

I feel like Romo could have won multiple Super Bowls in the right situation. Certainly, if a vastly inferior talent like Russell Wilson can come a play away from winning two, Romo is capable of it.

The problem you have is you're a frustrated fan and the QB is the face of the franchise. So he takes the criticism.

 

[the_h0wey]

Here is a list of quarterbacks since 2000 who have thrown for at least 250 yards, 2 or more touchdowns with no interceptions and a yards/attempt of over 9:



Romo finishes 5th on that list, ahead of Brett Farve, Roethlisberger, Rivers, and even Kurt Warner. While that criteria is pretty impressive, we are going to crank up the critera some to show some even more elite games. Here is the list of quarterbacks, since 2000 who have thrown for at least 300 yards, 3 or more touchdowns, no interceptions with at least a 60% completion percentage:

Read the rest at: http://cover32.com/cowboys/2015/02/26/how-elite-has-tony-romo-been/

Good post, but the term elite when discussing QBs gives me tired head. All the ESPN idiots use it constantly. Tony is a HoF'er IMO so I guess that makes him "elite".