How has Tyron Smith looked?

[blueblood70]

Oh yeah I wasn’t saying I’d rather have Steele. Just replying to the post saying that he’s “just a good RT” as if that’s not enough. But yes Tyron has the higher ceiling.

agreed Free was much maligned by fans as well until he left and realized he was better then advertised.

 

[kskboys]

He looks a bit slow and stiff. However he is not totally healthy and certainly is rusty. PS. They lead the league in sacks. All 4 D line man will have 10 plus sacks. Part of that is the other teams have been behind and had to pass the ball. I think they and San Fran have the best D lines in the NFC. We are number 3.

#3? That is beyond nuts. Rams, WASH, NO, TB, CAR, all obviously better. Prolly MInny also, maybe GB.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Tyron was good at RT against the Jaguars. Yesterday, not so much. Switching sides is very hard and I really wonder if the Cowboys won't consider putting him back on the left side and have Jason Peters give RT a try the rest of the way.

 

[Robster8989]

#3? That is beyond nuts. Rams, WASH, NO, TB, CAR, all obviously better. Prolly MInny also, maybe GB.

Agreed.
We are very good at Edge, but our interior DL is well below average.
Osa is our highest ranked DT, and he is currently 59th out of 119 per PFF (so middle of the pack)
We have 3 guys near the very bottom (Gallimore, Hankins and Bohana).
Watkins and Gholston are depth guys at best.
Our DT position is a serious weakness

 

[terra]

Oh yeah I wasn’t saying I’d rather have Steele. Just replying to the post saying that he’s “just a good RT” as if that’s not enough. But yes Tyron has the higher ceiling.

a good RT is necessary for a team to compete with the best; too many teams can put serious pass rushers at both ends.
BUT if you can get a pro bowl or close one do it
If both your tackles can do their jobs without help that allows a lot more flexibility for the offense

 

[Cebrin]

From my eyes, the problem still remains in the middle of the OL. LG and C get pushed back on most downs, leaving very little pocket for Dak to step up in.

This is why Dak almost always escapes to the right side of the line (not just because of being right-handed). A narrow pocket to step in makes it easier for guys on the edge to get pressure. There's little room to step up away from the edge pressure.

It's also making runs in the middle difficult. I think our tackle play has been fine, especially with all of this diversity.

Defensively we're struggling with the same thing. The interior gets no push. So rhe edge rushers are having a tougher time getting home with a clean pocket.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Looks rusty, hope he gets better by the playoffs.

 

[DripTooHard]

Dak needs to step up in the pocket or to the right. The left side has been leaky lately. Tyron and Tyler both need to play better

 

[Aliencowboy]

Honestly, I think Steele is better. Tyron has to get back in the groove and moving to the right side is taking some getting used too.

For having not played all year, changing positions, being rusty haha...I think Tyron is playing decent.

Stee

Tyron is one of my favorite Cowboys of all time, but Reddick beat him like a drum yesterday.
The strip sack was 100% on Tyron, I'm not sure if Reddick's 2nd sack was on him or not, but Reddick was in the backfield all day, he was too much for Tyron to handle much of the day.
It's got to be hard to go in in a late season playoff type atmosphere and kill it, but he looks vulnerable (as he did late last season).

It's going to be a tough call on next year. I think we can clear almost 15 million by cutting him June 1. Is he worth that kind of money at this point? A lot will depend on Steele's recovery. I also thought it might be fairly likely we went OL again early in next years draft.

I like running mocks on pro football network, not that it has a lot of validity, but I ran a recent mock and got Skoronski in Round 1. Many say he is as good or even better than his former team mate Rashawn Slater. Imagine Skoronski at LT and Tyler Smith at LG, with Zack and Steele on the right side, and TB at C. We'd be set on the OL for years to come.

On day 2 I addressed our major defensive weakness, the middle, and took Ika, the 350 lb DT from Baylor, and then Jack Campbell, the ILB from Iowa in the 3rd. Ika is the dancing bear we've needed for years, and Campbell reminds me a little of Sean Lee, smart, hardworking and tough (hopefully without the injuries). I think we need a LB who can just step in and stuff the run. We will likely have 2 4th rounders, and I addressed a power back (should we move on from Zeke) and another solid TE (should Schultz be out of our price range). Ran this before Brown went down, so I think CB has risen on our needs list, but I have to say, Bland looks promising. He gets beat and has a lot to improve on, but dude just has a knack for the ball (like Diggs). I'm hopeful he grabs that #2 corner job by showing up the remainder of this year, though I could see CB also being on our radar early in the draft.

I'd be sad to see Tyron go (same for Zeke), but as Bob Sugar once said, "It ain't show friends, it's show business".
We can clear 25 mil by moving on from those 2, and while they are still productive, are they worth their contracts at this point? Perhaps we can restructure and extend them.

Steele is an RFA in 2023 coming off a major injury.

 

[fansince68]

He looks a bit slow and stiff. However he is not totally healthy and certainly is rusty. PS. They lead the league in sacks. All 4 D line man will have 10 plus sacks. Part of that is the other teams have been behind and had to pass the ball. I think they and San Fran have the best D lines in the NFC. We are number 3.

Our D line is #3??? Our D line has been worse than terrible. No run stopping and no sacks in the last 3 games.

 

[fansince68]

From my eyes, the problem still remains in the middle of the OL. LG and C get pushed back on most downs, leaving very little pocket for Dak to step up in.

This is why Dak almost always escapes to the right side of the line (not just because of being right-handed). A narrow pocket to step in makes it easier for guys on the edge to get pressure. There's little room to step up away from the edge pressure.

It's also making runs in the middle difficult. I think our tackle play has been fine, especially with all of this diversity.

Defensively we're struggling with the same thing. The interior gets no push. So rhe edge rushers are having a tougher time getting home with a clean pocket.

Excellent observation...

 

[stinkface]

Our D line is #3??? Our D line has been worse than terrible. No run stopping and no sacks in the last 3 games.

I mean 13. Dropped a 1.

 

[Awakened]

Zack Martin said Terrance Steele is the best OL on the team. I’ll take his assessment over you yahoos.

 

[goshann]

Zack Martin said Terrance Steele is the best OL on the team. I’ll take his assessment over you yahoos.

Best run blocker
He is a solid pass blocker
But overall he has been better than Tyron despite what some are saying in here
Too bad he got hurt our oline would be really strong with Tyron at RT and Tyler at RG

 

[Ken]

6 sacks. The OL needs work. However they were going against one of the best defenses.

I would say half of those not on them. One was the trick play...a couple of others was Dak trying to run and not making it to the LOS.

Tyron definitely got beat a few times though....

 

[Creeper]

6 sacks,plus massive pressure as well al game not sure its 77 though,, sweat was killing 73..73s young, has growing pains that DL is serious.,

Dak left the pocket on a couple of plays and ran into a sack. The line gave him good pockets on those plays but there was nothing there. He should have just throw it away. I would say 3 of the 6 sacks Dak could have thrown the ball away.

As for Tyron Smith, before giving opinions people should watch the game and focus on him. He is okay in pass protection although he struggles with outside pass rushers, as he did last year on the left side. He does not look fluid. Maybe he improves with time, but I think that's wishful thinking.

I did notice that he and Zack did a better job this week passing off pass rushers.

But on the run blocking side, Steele is way better than Smith. Smith struggled to move Fletcher Cox at the point of attack. He also struggled to get his hands on Reddick. Go back and watch the first Eagles- Cowboys game. Watch Terence Steele bully Fletcher Cox and drive him across the field on running plays. Zeke averaged 6.2 yards per carry that game.

If they had a decent RT, I would say moving Tyron back to LT and Tyler Smith to LG would be the best move they could make. Maybe now that they are locked into the 5 seed they can try Jason Peters at RT again. Let him split time with Ball. But Peters can at least run block. Just give him a little help on pass plays.

 

[blueblood70]

Best run blocker
He is a solid pass blocker
But overall he has been better than Tyron despite what some are saying in here
Too bad he got hurt our oline would be really strong with Tyron at RT and Tyler at RG

Umm 77 at LT and 73 at LT not right lol yes maybe thats a bit better OL but really when the playoffs start i beleive ..73-Peters-TB-Martin-Tyron is just about as good.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak left the pocket on a couple of plays and ran into a sack. The line gave him good pockets on those plays but there was nothing there. He should have just throw it away. I would say 3 of the 6 sacks Dak could have thrown the ball away.

As for Tyron Smith, before giving opinions people should watch the game and focus on him. He is okay in pass protection although he struggles with outside pass rushers, as he did last year on the left side. He does not look fluid. Maybe he improves with time, but I think that's wishful thinking.

I did notice that he and Zack did a better job this week passing off pass rushers.

But on the run blocking side, Steele is way better than Smith. Smith struggled to move Fletcher Cox at the point of attack. He also struggled to get his hands on Reddick. Go back and watch the first Eagles- Cowboys game. Watch Terence Steele bully Fletcher Cox and drive him across the field on running plays. Zeke averaged 6.2 yards per carry that game.

If they had a decent RT, I would say moving Tyron back to LT and Tyler Smith to LG would be the best move they could make. Maybe now that they are locked into the 5 seed they can try Jason Peters at RT again. Let him split time with Ball. But Peters can at least run block. Just give him a little help on pass plays.

NO! too many moves way late best move just insert Peters into LG in the playoff games ,i think hes finally ready to play close to full game 1 and done scenario that my line. Tyron will get better has 2 more games to adjust.

73-Peters-TB-Martin-Tyron is just about as good.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak left the pocket on a couple of plays and ran into a sack. The line gave him good pockets on those plays but there was nothing there. He should have just throw it away. I would say 3 of the 6 sacks Dak could have thrown the ball away.

As for Tyron Smith, before giving opinions people should watch the game and focus on him. He is okay in pass protection although he struggles with outside pass rushers, as he did last year on the left side. He does not look fluid. Maybe he improves with time, but I think that's wishful thinking.

I did notice that he and Zack did a better job this week passing off pass rushers.

But on the run blocking side, Steele is way better than Smith. Smith struggled to move Fletcher Cox at the point of attack. He also struggled to get his hands on Reddick. Go back and watch the first Eagles- Cowboys game. Watch Terence Steele bully Fletcher Cox and drive him across the field on running plays. Zeke averaged 6.2 yards per carry that game.

If they had a decent RT, I would say moving Tyron back to LT and Tyler Smith to LG would be the best move they could make. Maybe now that they are locked into the 5 seed they can try Jason Peters at RT again. Let him split time with Ball. But Peters can at least run block. Just give him a little help on pass plays.

sorry not buying all that 6 sacks is 6 sack the reason they haven't given up more sacks this year is dak moving and trying to make pay on the run so its wash over a full season , one of the worst winrate% on pass protection lines in the NFL right now and i can see with my own eyes this line is much better at run blocking then pass blocking, daks under a lot more pressure then stats show.. some of those INTs were OL being shoved back into dak and having passes tipped, body parts grabbed or not being able to follow through with messy pocket..

 

[CordovaRaider]

Steele is not all that; he is a good RT and nothing more.
Tyron had to make up for a decade of playing LT for all intents and purposes; automatic responses are hard to dial back.

When our HOF right guard tells you that Steele was by far the best lineman playing before his injury, you should listen...Steele was dominating and should have been selected to the pro bowl (in addition to our RG).