How long should McCarthy get?

[Havic]

MM will continue to be here as long as we keep making the playoffs. My fear is we will lose Quinn first, then MM will have a down year and he will be gone after.

 

[DandyDon52]

I personally dont like change for change sake. Now that Reid has wona couple of titles since he has his wonderboy, everyone declares him a master... yet he was ran out of philly.

So here is a list of the drought for each team:

Team	Years	Start Year	Drought Start
Arizona Cardinals	75	1948	Won 1947 NFLC
Detroit Lions	65	1958	Won 1957 NFLC
Minnesota Vikings	62	1961	Joined NFL
Cleveland Browns	58	1965	Won 1964 NFLC
Los Angeles Chargers	57	1966	Joined NFL
Buffalo Bills	57	1966	Joined NFL
Tennessee Titans	57	1966	Joined NFL
Atlanta Falcons	57	1966	Joined NFL
Cincinnati Bengals	55	1968	Joined NFL
New York Jets	54	1969	Won 1968 SB
Miami Dolphins	49	1974	Won 1973 SB
Las Vegas Raiders	39	1984	Won 1983 SB
Chicago Bears	37	1986	Won 1985 SB
Washington Commanders	31	1992	Won 1991 SB
Jacksonville Jaguars	28	1995	Joined NFL
Carolina Panthers	28	1995	Joined NFL
San Francisco 49ers	28	1995	Won 1994 SB
Dallas Cowboys	27	1996	Won 1995 SB
Houston Texans	21	2002	Joined NFL
Indianapolis Colts	16	2007	Won 2006 SB
Pittsburgh Steelers	14	2009	Won 2008 SB
New Orleans Saints	13	2010	Won 2009 SB
Green Bay Packers	12	2011	Won 2010 SB
New York Giants	11	2012	Won 2011 SB
Baltimore Ravens	10	2013	Won 2012 SB
Seattle Seahawks	9	2014	Won 2013 SB
Denver Broncos	7	2016	Won 2015 SB
Philadelphia Eagles	5	2018	Won 2017 SB
New England Patriots	4	2019	Won 2018 SB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	2	2021	Won 2020 SB
Los Angeles Rams	1	2022	Won 2021 SB

17 teams have gone longer than the Cowboys without a title and 25 of the 32 teams have gone 10 years or more without a title. So it begs the question. How long does a coach get to win a title before he should be booted? A coach that has a team in the playoffs consistently doesnt forget how to coach. How many years has the great Sean Peyton been coaching? yet he only has one title.

So how many years should Mike get before he is fired? or any coach for that matter?

Didnt the bears win a SB with lovey smith ?? 10 years ago or so?
also I think 14 of those teams have been to a SB , they just didnt win it. Not ideal but it does mean something.
Several teams have never won, but have been to one. Others got back but just didnt win.

Now as to your question, it is going to vary , and there are many variables.
Mike to me has been avg to below avg in hiring assistants, establishing a good culture, and game planning, and game mgmt.
Nothing stellar.

But until this year he couldnt call plays, which puts him in charge of the offense now, so have to see how that goes.
He seems to be more into it this season and has changed more things than usual.
So really I would want to see how he does this season before I said he should stay or go, or be given x amount of time.

 

[Reid1boys]

Andy Reid was run out of Philly because Donovan McNabb began to decline, and Michael Vick wasn’t the answer. He’s on top of the world in KC now because of Patrick Mahomes. Belichick hasn’t won anything since Brady left New England, and probably never will again. A QB makes or breaks a head coach. If the Cowboys take a step back this season, that’s probably going to be the end of McCarthy with the Cowboys and could spell the beginning of the end for Dak.

I guess you missed the subtlety of my comments on Reid. Did you see where I said now that he has WONDERBOY? I can ensure you nobody onthis site has been arguing the point of you rpost more than I have in the past 5 years.

My entire point of mentioning Reid was what you said... I just didnt want to be so forward about it....lol

 

[Reid1boys]

So we're three days out from the start of a new season and the question is how long should we give the head coach should he fail? A few days ago there was a thread about Dak sustaining a season ending knee injury. Whatever happened to wishing the team, coaches and players the very best in this upcoming season. Optimism or gloom doesn't change what will happen, I just don't see how a negative approach to the season helps any fan enjoy the ride.

Just my opinion, now back to your regularly scheduled gloom and doom.

Go Cowboys

My post is a subtle jab at those whining about 27 years.......making my point by using all those teams that have gone forever with no title.

 

[Reid1boys]

The list contains the year franchises joined the NFL or the interval between a pre-Super Bowl era championship and a Super Bowl and/or present. I am not sure the longest championship droughts have been calculated for every franchise.

For example, Pittsburgh joined the NFL in 1933. The Steelers beat the Vikings in January 1975 for Super Bowl IX. Their 42-year drought (or 41 years if going by the 1974 season) is three times longer than what is listed in the table.

the drought is ow many years since their LAST title.... they won with Big Ben.

 

[Reid1boys]

Looks like it’s based on current years from last SB Win (or championship for old school teams).

The one though that really kills me is the list with the current drought since last Conference Championship Game.

Yeah, SB is the goal always, but at least get a final four sniff, something to tell me there is hope to win it all again!

We’re almost on the very bottom of that list of current years since last Conference Championship Game. Unbelievable considering this team had 2 great dynasties in NFL history.

its easy to move the goal posts to fit the narrative you want. I didnt ask about conference title game because I dont care about conference title games.

 

[Reid1boys]

Didnt the bears win a SB with lovey smith ?? 10 years ago or so?
also I think 14 of those teams have been to a SB , they just didnt win it. Not ideal but it does mean something.
Several teams have never won, but have been to one. Others got back but just didnt win.

Now as to your question, it is going to vary , and there are many variables.
Mike to me has been avg to below avg in hiring assistants, establishing a good culture, and game planning, and game mgmt.
Nothing stellar.

But until this year he couldnt call plays, which puts him in charge of the offense now, so have to see how that goes.
He seems to be more into it this season and has changed more things than usual.
So really I would want to see how he does this season before I said he should stay or go, or be given x amount of time.

no, the bears didnt win a title with Lovey.

 

[KJJ]

I guess you missed the subtlety of my comments on Reid. Did you see where I said now that he has WONDERBOY? I can ensure you nobody onthis site has been arguing the point of you rpost more than I have in the past 5 years.

My entire point of mentioning Reid was what you said... I just didnt want to be so forward about it....lol

I didn’t miss your comment. I’m just explaining to those why he got run out of Philly. Sean Payton got burned out in New Orleans after Drew Brees retired. A head coaches fate rests on the arm of their QB.

 

[DandyDon52]

no, the bears didnt win a title with Lovey.

Ok guess they lost but they did get to SB. Short while later they fired him. So guess just getting there wasnt good enough for the bears.

 

[DallasEast]

the drought is ow many years since their LAST title.... they won with Big Ben.

The table includes the following as not since their LAST title but from their 'Joined NFL' date reference:

• Vikings
• Chargers
• Titans
• Falcons
• Bengals
• Jaguars
• Panthers
• Texans

The table should not include those particular franchises for their length of drought if the criteria is 'since their LAST title'.

 

[Diehardblues]

Compared to our other coaching situations this era under our dysfunctional ownership , he probably will get as long as he needs as we remain an interesting and relative playoff contender.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The table includes the following as not since their LAST title but from their 'Joined NFL' date reference:

• Vikings
• Chargers
• Titans
• Falcons
• Bengals
• Jaguars
• Panthers
• Texans

The table should not include those particular franchises for their length of drought if the criteria is 'since their LAST title'.

You could reword it to “how many consecutive years has each team gone ringless?”

 

[DallasEast]

You could reword it to “how many consecutive years has each team gone ringless?”

Yep but I am not sure the thread creator would agree.

 

[Diehardblues]

You could reword it to “how many consecutive years has each team gone ringless?”

Yea, the OP tried to sugar coat our futility this era. Whatever makes them feel better.

But this franchise once was held in the same category as the most successful franchises on the field not the lower half. It is what it is.

This isn’t the same franchise most of us grew up with. Only in name.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Can we at least get one game in before these type threads are started?

 

[baltcowboy]

Dallas has gotten better every year that MM has coached. He almost made the playoffs with Andy Dalton and three of his top offensive linemen either out for whole season or missed the final 6 games. I say let it ride and have him coach out his contract.

 

[Bing]

He should be allowed a few seasons with the QB of his choosing, that said we know that will never happen. He will be here until JJ needs a scapegoat....

 

[blueblood70]

I personally dont like change for change sake. Now that Reid has wona couple of titles since he has his wonderboy, everyone declares him a master... yet he was ran out of philly.

So here is a list of the drought for each team:

Team	Years	Start Year	Drought Start
Arizona Cardinals	75	1948	Won 1947 NFLC
Detroit Lions	65	1958	Won 1957 NFLC
Minnesota Vikings	62	1961	Joined NFL
Cleveland Browns	58	1965	Won 1964 NFLC
Los Angeles Chargers	57	1966	Joined NFL
Buffalo Bills	57	1966	Joined NFL
Tennessee Titans	57	1966	Joined NFL
Atlanta Falcons	57	1966	Joined NFL
Cincinnati Bengals	55	1968	Joined NFL
New York Jets	54	1969	Won 1968 SB
Miami Dolphins	49	1974	Won 1973 SB
Las Vegas Raiders	39	1984	Won 1983 SB
Chicago Bears	37	1986	Won 1985 SB
Washington Commanders	31	1992	Won 1991 SB
Jacksonville Jaguars	28	1995	Joined NFL
Carolina Panthers	28	1995	Joined NFL
San Francisco 49ers	28	1995	Won 1994 SB
Dallas Cowboys	27	1996	Won 1995 SB
Houston Texans	21	2002	Joined NFL
Indianapolis Colts	16	2007	Won 2006 SB
Pittsburgh Steelers	14	2009	Won 2008 SB
New Orleans Saints	13	2010	Won 2009 SB
Green Bay Packers	12	2011	Won 2010 SB
New York Giants	11	2012	Won 2011 SB
Baltimore Ravens	10	2013	Won 2012 SB
Seattle Seahawks	9	2014	Won 2013 SB
Denver Broncos	7	2016	Won 2015 SB
Philadelphia Eagles	5	2018	Won 2017 SB
New England Patriots	4	2019	Won 2018 SB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	2	2021	Won 2020 SB
Los Angeles Rams	1	2022	Won 2021 SB

17 teams have gone longer than the Cowboys without a title and 25 of the 32 teams have gone 10 years or more without a title. So it begs the question. How long does a coach get to win a title before he should be booted? A coach that has a team in the playoffs consistently doesnt forget how to coach. How many years has the great Sean Peyton been coaching? yet he only has one title.

So how many years should Mike get before he is fired? or any coach for that matter?

This is very true and this is what I saying a lot in here and don't forget to leave off the Philadelphia Eagles with one title in 60 years and the fact is it took 51 years for the Kansas City Chiefs to get off the schneide.. Don't you take that into account it's not as bad as what the fan base....ps harping on the whole 27 year thing... Just get over it and we're waiting on our 6th ring not our second not our first our 6th..

 

[blueblood70]

He should be allowed a few seasons with the QB of his choosing, that said we know that will never happen. He will be here until JJ needs a scapegoat....

Right because you can just find those quarterbacks available all the time 24 hours a day seven days a week anytime you decide you want... Instant success that's how it works in the NFL right you think that McCarthy could just go choose who he wants and instantly create the Super bowl winner no sometimes you get lucky that's it that's how it works and Prescott is a top ten quarterback that a lot of teams would want and if he can't win with him that means they gotta keep fixing the team around him which they've been doing that's what you need a team how about where is the offensive line in the run game in the last three playoff losses there aren't any they're not playing well up front they're getting beat in the trenches..

 

[blueblood70]

The list contains the year franchises joined the NFL or the interval between a pre-Super Bowl era championship and a Super Bowl and/or present. I am not sure the longest championship droughts have been calculated for every franchise.

For example, Pittsburgh joined the NFL in 1933. The Steelers beat the Vikings in January 1975 for Super Bowl IX. Their 42-year drought (or 41 years if going by the 1974 season) is three times longer than what is listed in the table.

Yeah but what's being left off there to even that out whatever point you're trying to make the fact that the Kansas City chief had a 51 year drought between Super Bowls and Eagles only have one Super Bowl in 60 years..

those droughts count and there are a lot of teams with only one Super Bowl or 0 Super Bowls that's why this 27 year narrative is ridiculous.

Yes, we'd all like to go back to a championship game fans deserve it but that's not how it always works there are bigger droughts in sports not just in the NFL than the Cowboys are experiencing!

at least we're waiting on number six not number two or three or four or one , number six.. So fans should be a little more patient because they're waiting on that 6th one which would put us in a three-way tie for six Super Bowl wins even after this drought why are we still right there because it's hard to win Super Bowls...​