How long should McCarthy get?

[zrinkill]

The team has improved every year he has been here.

Until they start to slide I say keep giving him a chance

 

[Mannix]

OMG....are we really asking this? He should have been canned ONE minute following the first SF playoff loss....what will the excuse be this year for delaying future failures? Are we ALREADY looking for reasons to keep him around? Please clip and save this as well.

 

[basel90]

Andy Reid was run out of Philly because Donovan McNabb began to decline, and Michael Vick wasn’t the answer. He’s on top of the world in KC now because of Patrick Mahomes. Belichick hasn’t won anything since Brady left New England, and probably never will again. A QB makes or breaks a head coach. If the Cowboys take a step back this season, that’s probably going to be the end of McCarthy with the Cowboys and could spell the beginning of the end for Dak.

agree, it is a very QB dependent game . Great coaches cannot get a SB without elite QBs anymore. i think jerry will start to realize what he has in dak this year. eating 59 mil in cap money will be tough for jerry .

 

[shabazz]

I’d be concerned with his width……respect

 

[CowboysFilmStudy]

I personally dont like change for change sake. Now that Reid has wona couple of titles since he has his wonderboy, everyone declares him a master... yet he was ran out of philly.

So here is a list of the drought for each team:

Team	Years	Start Year	Drought Start
Arizona Cardinals	75	1948	Won 1947 NFLC
Detroit Lions	65	1958	Won 1957 NFLC
Minnesota Vikings	62	1961	Joined NFL
Cleveland Browns	58	1965	Won 1964 NFLC
Los Angeles Chargers	57	1966	Joined NFL
Buffalo Bills	57	1966	Joined NFL
Tennessee Titans	57	1966	Joined NFL
Atlanta Falcons	57	1966	Joined NFL
Cincinnati Bengals	55	1968	Joined NFL
New York Jets	54	1969	Won 1968 SB
Miami Dolphins	49	1974	Won 1973 SB
Las Vegas Raiders	39	1984	Won 1983 SB
Chicago Bears	37	1986	Won 1985 SB
Washington Commanders	31	1992	Won 1991 SB
Jacksonville Jaguars	28	1995	Joined NFL
Carolina Panthers	28	1995	Joined NFL
San Francisco 49ers	28	1995	Won 1994 SB
Dallas Cowboys	27	1996	Won 1995 SB
Houston Texans	21	2002	Joined NFL
Indianapolis Colts	16	2007	Won 2006 SB
Pittsburgh Steelers	14	2009	Won 2008 SB
New Orleans Saints	13	2010	Won 2009 SB
Green Bay Packers	12	2011	Won 2010 SB
New York Giants	11	2012	Won 2011 SB
Baltimore Ravens	10	2013	Won 2012 SB
Seattle Seahawks	9	2014	Won 2013 SB
Denver Broncos	7	2016	Won 2015 SB
Philadelphia Eagles	5	2018	Won 2017 SB
New England Patriots	4	2019	Won 2018 SB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	2	2021	Won 2020 SB
Los Angeles Rams	1	2022	Won 2021 SB

17 teams have gone longer than the Cowboys without a title and 25 of the 32 teams have gone 10 years or more without a title. So it begs the question. How long does a coach get to win a title before he should be booted? A coach that has a team in the playoffs consistently doesnt forget how to coach. How many years has the great Sean Peyton been coaching? yet he only has one title.

So how many years should Mike get before he is fired? or any coach for that matter?

I say after we win the Super Bowl this year he can stay around as long as he’d like

 

[ThatJerryKid]

I personally dont like change for change sake. Now that Reid has wona couple of titles since he has his wonderboy, everyone declares him a master... yet he was ran out of philly.

So here is a list of the drought for each team:

Team	Years	Start Year	Drought Start
Arizona Cardinals	75	1948	Won 1947 NFLC
Detroit Lions	65	1958	Won 1957 NFLC
Minnesota Vikings	62	1961	Joined NFL
Cleveland Browns	58	1965	Won 1964 NFLC
Los Angeles Chargers	57	1966	Joined NFL
Buffalo Bills	57	1966	Joined NFL
Tennessee Titans	57	1966	Joined NFL
Atlanta Falcons	57	1966	Joined NFL
Cincinnati Bengals	55	1968	Joined NFL
New York Jets	54	1969	Won 1968 SB
Miami Dolphins	49	1974	Won 1973 SB
Las Vegas Raiders	39	1984	Won 1983 SB
Chicago Bears	37	1986	Won 1985 SB
Washington Commanders	31	1992	Won 1991 SB
Jacksonville Jaguars	28	1995	Joined NFL
Carolina Panthers	28	1995	Joined NFL
San Francisco 49ers	28	1995	Won 1994 SB
Dallas Cowboys	27	1996	Won 1995 SB
Houston Texans	21	2002	Joined NFL
Indianapolis Colts	16	2007	Won 2006 SB
Pittsburgh Steelers	14	2009	Won 2008 SB
New Orleans Saints	13	2010	Won 2009 SB
Green Bay Packers	12	2011	Won 2010 SB
New York Giants	11	2012	Won 2011 SB
Baltimore Ravens	10	2013	Won 2012 SB
Seattle Seahawks	9	2014	Won 2013 SB
Denver Broncos	7	2016	Won 2015 SB
Philadelphia Eagles	5	2018	Won 2017 SB
New England Patriots	4	2019	Won 2018 SB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	2	2021	Won 2020 SB
Los Angeles Rams	1	2022	Won 2021 SB

17 teams have gone longer than the Cowboys without a title and 25 of the 32 teams have gone 10 years or more without a title. So it begs the question. How long does a coach get to win a title before he should be booted? A coach that has a team in the playoffs consistently doesnt forget how to coach. How many years has the great Sean Peyton been coaching? yet he only has one title.

So how many years should Mike get before he is fired? or any coach for that matter?

McCarthy went 6-10 his first year which was COVID restricted so he had to try and implement a new system virtually. He followed that up with back to back 12-5 seasons. He’s not perfect but as long as he keeps giving us a chance most years, I think he’s earned some leash. Do you guys even remember the Garrett years? No adjustments. No being able to handle an offensive lineman getting hurt mid game. I think Big Mike has done an outstanding job in his 3 years here.

 

[Reid1boys]

The table includes the following as not since their LAST title but from their 'Joined NFL' date reference:

• Vikings
• Chargers
• Titans
• Falcons
• Bengals
• Jaguars
• Panthers
• Texans

The table should not include those particular franchises for their length of drought if the criteria is 'since their LAST title'.

actually it says SB DROUGHT.... meaning how many years without a title. So those teams have gone X years without a title. The thread and table are accurate.

 

[Reid1boys]

Yep but I am not sure the thread creator would agree.

yep, I dont agree. I clearly said here is the list of THE DROUGHT FOR EACH TEAM.

Its everyone else that wants to add/change what that means. i think it is pretty clear to most people what that list means.

 

[Reid1boys]

I didn’t miss your comment. I’m just explaining to those why he got run out of Philly. Sean Payton got burned out in New Orleans after Drew Brees retired. A head coaches fate rests on the arm of their QB.

I have made this argument more than 50 times in here.
George Seifert had the highest winning % in NFL HISTORY. Flew to NC to coach the Panthers and somehow he forgot how to coach on the flight.

 

[erod]

Right now, I don't see a better alternative. Do you?

I'd like Kyle Shanahan, but he's not moving. Perhaps Lincoln Riley?

 

[Reid1boys]

Yea, the OP tried to sugar coat our futility this era. Whatever makes them feel better.

But this franchise once was held in the same category as the most successful franchises on the field not the lower half. It is what it is.

This isn’t the same franchise most of us grew up with. Only in name.

I didnt sugar coat anything. I stated FACTS and the facts detract from all of your arguments... thats why you dont like facts. Far too many of you are still living in the glory days of the non salary cap years. Different world.

 

[The Quest for Six]

As long as McCarthy keeps Dallas winning 12 games a season and in contention for the division and playoffs, he isn't going anywhere

 

[KJJ]

agree, it is a very QB dependent game . Great coaches cannot get a SB without elite QBs anymore. i think jerry will start to realize what he has in dak this year. eating 59 mil in cap money will be tough for jerry .

I can only think of two head coaches that had Hall of Fame coaching careers that didn’t have a Hall of Fame QB and that was Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs. They won 5 Super Bowls between them and none of their QBs are in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Reid1boys]

I can only think of two head coaches that had Hall of Fame coaching careers that didn’t have a Hall of Fame QB and that was Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs. They won 5 Super Bowls between them and none of their QBs are in the Hall of Fame.

yep.... and gibbs won with THREE different qbs. That will likely never happen again.
Parcells just happened to have one of the top 3 or 4 defensive players to ever play the game though.

 

[john van brocklin]

MM will continue to be here as long as we keep making the playoffs. My fear is we will lose Quinn first, then MM will have a down year and he will be gone after.

Legit concern.
Hopefully Jerry keeps showing Quinn the money.....

 

[Reid1boys]

Legit concern.
Hopefully Jerry keeps showing Quinn the money.....

Not Jerry,

Hes cheap, remember?

 

[john van brocklin]

Not Jerry,

Hes cheap, remember?

Jerry has faults, but he will usually pay for quality.
Will McClay and Quinn for example.
Jerry's biggest problem is thinking he has the ability to be a quality GM.
History has shown he doesn't.

 

[Diehardblues]

I didnt sugar coat anything. I stated FACTS and the facts detract from all of your arguments... thats why you dont like facts. Far too many of you are still living in the glory days of the non salary cap years. Different world.

And the facts reveal this isn’t a championship caliber franchise any longer . The fact we have to compare ourselves to the bottom half of the league to prop us up speaks volumes.

Many franchises figured out the Cap era enough to win or at least play for some championships.

 

[Diehardblues]

I can only think of two head coaches that had Hall of Fame coaching careers that didn’t have a Hall of Fame QB and that was Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs. They won 5 Super Bowls between them and none of their QBs are in the Hall of Fame.

Tom Flores recently inducted HOF won 2 SB’s without a HOF QB. Not yet anyway . ( Plunkett)

Worth noting is several of these non HOF QB’s who played for these HOF HC’s did have career days in SB and or winning SB MVP.

 

[Diehardblues]

Right now, I don't see a better alternative. Do you?

I'd like Kyle Shanahan, but he's not moving. Perhaps Lincoln Riley?

Totally agree !!

And that’s the elephant in the room. Jethro’s ways of running football operations limits the Cowboys to access to greater or up and coming HC’s.

This simply isn’t a highly desired venue for most proven HC’s who demand total control with no meddling and interference like our ownership conducts .